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8 year old kills himself with an Uzi
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Howard_hopkinso Wrote:
Quote:I am telling you that firearms are not the cause of those problems

So what are folks using to shoot each other with, their fucking dicks?

If I was mad at someone, I might punch them on the nose, but if I had a gun in my pocket, I'd be far more likely to shoot the fuckers.

Which bit of that is beyond your reasoning?
Firearms are a tool, a weapon, not the cause of murder. You don't blame swords when a whole house or town is wiped out in medieval times. You don't blame the object. That puts a band-aid on the situation at best, Howard. In fact, it's damaging because it shifts the spotlight off the real problem. While you are busy blaming guns, the real problems are being hidden and the solutions kept farther away. It's like blaming money for theft. It's ignorant. The cause for bad, dysfunctional, murderous behavior, especially by kids, is a problem not rooted in inanimate objects, but culture, upbringing, biochemistry, and the like.

Several decades ago guns were far more readily available - by mail order even. Far fewer laws on the books, and guns were easy to get. Now we have these school shootings. The guns didn't change, Howard. People did. You should be smart enough to know to look somewhere other than the object for reasons and solutions. Removing firearms won't solve those problems. People will still get guns - the bad guys don't care about the laws. Do you remember Prohibition? All it did was create a black market for alcohol and skyrocket violent crime. Blaming the object was wrong then, too.

Again, freedom has a cost. It cost something to have the People in charge and able to form a militia. It costs something for the People to be in charge and able to protect their own property, lives, and freedom. We aren't supposed to leave that in the hands of political whores and a centralized Government, Howard. That is what history teaches us about long-term freedom. That is why when the Founders of America laid out their revolutionary and radical experiment, and put freedom's principles first while things like royalty and organized religion took a back seat, they were obvious in their support for firearms being a key part of that recipe. History does not favor the disarmed and helpless citizenry. The Right to Revolt in State Constitutions is not meant for people armed with just pitchforks and karate, Howard.

Our Country is Founded on the notion that the People are to be in charge, and have the balance of Power. To assure, enable, and protect that, certain principles must always be adhered to, regardless of the transient cause or time. The Founders warned about that. You Brits should never have given up your right to effective self-defense. You gave up a giant part of your power over to politicians that work to slowly take away your individual freedoms when you did that. History teaches us that, Howard.

Government wants to get too big and bloated, they want to protect and absorb you. They want you helpless and defenseless and dependent. The Founders warned about that. Take a lesson from America.

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