Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[onefortheroad]

Does anyone think that Johnny might have been totally innocent that night?

Could the bags have been put on and Tiff told to get someone to
take them off while they were still alive or do you think the perps
wanted them dead?

I don't think the perps put much thought into preserving a happy ending for Johnny and Lisa. The tape was only for the purpose of killing them. If you throw your loot and drugs into a bag, you don't tape the bag shut. You just carry it out.

Tightly taped bags and tied hands indicates to me that the perps didn't care if they died at best and deliberately wanted them dead at worst. But it has occurred to me that Tiff may have thought there was a chance they could be saved when she raised the alarm, and even that it may have been part of the reason she offered to drive John Sr to the house.

i agree... i don't think they wanted them to live or be found alive. they could have left them in a way that assured they would live if that was the case rather than counting on someone finding them before they died or sending someone (tiff) back to the house to "save" them. it's way too complicated.
for example... if they wanted them to live but not see their faces they could have used blindfolds vs. bags. if they wanted them to live after they used the bags to scare the shit out of them they could have ripped holes in the backs of the bag right before they took off... something to that effect... JMO.

I never thought of blindfolds, but you're right - the bags and the tape around them must mean they were meant to die. But a part of me thinks that when Tiff was told about what had gone down (say when she picked them up or when they were concocting their alibis), SHE may have thought they had a fighting chance because she hadn't been in the house and seen them for herself. Maybe I'm giving her credit for having a small piece of a heart that night, I don't know....