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Pot Criminalization: Up in Smoke?
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Pot Criminalization: Up in Smoke?

Governor Cuomo of New York is proposing to decriminalize the public possession of marijuana. Currently, public possession is a misdemeanor crime in NY. Cuomo proposes that if marijuana is found when someone is stopped and frisked that it instead be considered a "violation". A violation would mean no arrest and no criminal record.

The article cites several reasons for this proposal which is expected to be approved:

- Most of those arrested for pot possession have no criminal record.

- It's only a violation to be in possession privately, but currently a crime to be in possession publicly (inconsistent).

- Over 87% of those arrested for possession when stopped and frisked are blacks and Hispanics, making it harder for them to get jobs with a misdemeanor on their records (yep, Al Sharpton's calling it profiling and quoted in the article - the man is everywhere).

- A dozen states have already decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana.

- The need for medicinal marijuana is better understood by the public today; reducing marijuana penalties helps support the cause.

- At least one state is expected to make marijuana possession legal in the near future; possibly as soon as November.

Critics of the proposal claim that today's pot is much more potent and addictive. There is also a quote in the article stating that legalization of marijuana would mean a drastic reduction in its price for users (even with a tax) and would increase marijuana use.

Here again we see a conflict between Federal law and States rights (same as with DOMA and recognition of same sex marriage). Cannabis is a Schedule I drug according to the federal Controlled Substances Act of 1970, which classified cannabis as having high potential for abuse, no medical use, and not safe to use under medical supervision. Yet, 16 states and the District of Columbia allow marijuana use for medicinal purposes, 14 states have already decriminalized possession, and 12 states currently have pending legislation for medical legalization.

I think the Fed law is outdated (like many others, imo), decriminalization or legalization should be a matter decided by the states, and I support the legalization of marijuana for medicinal and recreational purposes. Opinions for or against legalization?Weed-2

References:
-NY proposal: http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/05/justice/ny...?hpt=ju_t4
-Marijuana laws by country (interesting chart, imo): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of...by_country





06-07-2012 11:37 AM
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It would make me feel like a 17 year old again.

I grew up in a state and time when Pot was decriminalized, it was the best thing that ever happened.

5 dollar ounces were plentiful, even though it was still illegal to sell or grow pot.






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06-07-2012 11:42 AM
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The so called war on drugs was single handedly the biggest cause for most of the prison population explosion, gang violence and assorted other criminal activity in the last few decades. Marijuana as a "gateway" drug was a myth perpetrated by the lumber industry and later the drug czars. It's long past time for them to reverse such a stupid and problematic mistake.





06-07-2012 11:49 AM
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This guy we know in Stowe just got popped for 55 plants on his land. 2nd time he's been popped. He has a MM card, but that's only good for two oz and a couple growing plants, plus stowe has a ban on growing whether decrim occurs or not.

He's toast.





06-07-2012 11:58 AM
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RE: Pot Criminalization: Up in Smoke?

How can cannabis be illegal anyway its a plant, natures creation.

Fuck the government.






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06-07-2012 12:03 PM
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The same way that a woman selling her snatch can be illegal.






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06-07-2012 12:26 PM
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(06-07-2012 12:26 PM)IMaDick Wrote:  The same way that a woman selling her snatch can be illegal.

I'm not talking about selling it, but growing a few plants and not living in a drug dealers pocket.






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06-07-2012 12:29 PM
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(06-07-2012 12:26 PM)IMaDick Wrote:  The same way that a woman selling her snatch can be illegal.

Hey Mr. Enlightened, it's also illegal for a man to sell his cock and either gender to professionally trade sex for money in most states. I think prostitution should be legalized too (and regulated to minimize exploitation of minors).

But, back to the pot. Haven't looked into what legalization would require in terms of infrastructure. Guessing that legal medicinal pot farmers could serve as a baseline. I think the FDA is involved there. In my opinion, it should be legal to grow and possess a certain amount on an individual level without permit, but if the government gets involved in regulating and taxing, that might pose a competitive conflict. I don't think it's legal to grow tobacco or produce alcohol in any state, for that very reason. Need to research a little.





06-07-2012 12:34 PM
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It should be legal just as alcohol is. Tax the shit out of it like ciggs and get this country out of debt.






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06-07-2012 12:35 PM
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The war on Drugs is a multi billion dollar a year business.

http://www.drugsense.org/cms/wodclock






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(06-07-2012 12:35 PM)ramseycat Wrote:  It should be legal just as alcohol is. Tax the shit out of it like ciggs and get this country out of debt.

Shut the fuck up you stupid cow, nothing should be taxed, do you understand that shit, nothing.

The people of this country did not put us in debt, let the stupid fuckers who spent more than they made pay the fucking bill.






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06-07-2012 12:37 PM
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Fuck off Dickley. Get a job so you can pay your taxes like the rest of us. Pot, ciggs, alcohol = luxeries. Not necessities. Tax that shit. I agree the government and it's reckless spending got us into this mess. And I bet the politicians spend a lot of money on booze. Let them pay taxes on it. I bet a lot of them smoke pot too. I was surprised at how many people I work with smoke pot. People I would never ever think smoked.






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06-07-2012 12:41 PM
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(06-07-2012 12:41 PM)ramseycat Wrote:  Fuck off Dickley. Get a job so you can pay your taxes like the rest of us. Pot, ciggs, alcohol = luxeries. Not necessities. Tax that shit. I agree the government and it's reckless spending got us into this mess. And I bet the politicians spend a lot of money on booze. Let them pay taxes on it. I bet a lot of them smoke pot too. I was surprised at how many people I work with smoke pot. People I would never ever think smoked.

Ignorance is your only excuse.

Government regulation is not the answer to anything, deregulation is what LEGAL means dipshit.






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06-07-2012 12:51 PM
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They should tax fat people. They cost us a bunch, too.






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