GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[Midwest Spy]

Everyone here is smart enough to know that after the AR-15, the high capacity magazines, and anything else deemed 'assaulty' gets banned another crazy fucker is going to do this again right?

Most likely, but as time passes, I truly believe these incidents would diminish.

Then there will be calls to ban more... and then ban more... until your liberty has been whittled away to nothing. Where is the greater movement towards personal responsibility and the causes or treatment of the mentally ill? Or even a deeper introspection as to where we are as a society in general?

THAT IS MY POINT.

My point is that everything you've pointed out is a separate issue, and needs to be solved independently of each other. Yes, they all need attention.

Banning shit isn't going to bring those kids back, and it's not going to prevent another asshole from killing more people. But I'm glad it will make everyone feel so much fucking safer and better about themselves.

Unfortunately, this is the typical response from gun advocates. A lot of anger, denial and not offering up any real solutions. They're just certain that the guns themselves are NOT the problem.

I guess I have to be done here as well. There's no point in trying to instill the concept of liberty into people who would voluntarily give pieces of it up on sheer emotion.

Did you serve? Please don't refer to me as someone who does or doesn't understand freedom and liberty. That's a bullshit argument. We've given up freedom and liberty when we get on airplanes after 9/11. Changes can be made to try and ensure events don't repeat themselves.

And MS, don't be a douche nozzle. You know what my argument is and how I am approaching it. So thanks anyway, but I have no intention of making my house a fortress.

Why not? Aren't you afraid of all the criminals out there? I mean that's the reason people need these particular weapons, right?

In other countries they feel very unsafe coming to America, what with every family commiting murder and mayhem with their guns it seems like a very unsafe place right?

Are you advocating that we allow this country to sink to the depths of the places immigrants are escaping from?


Look, I know that Jim and Maggot are decent guys. We disagree on this issue.

I feel as strongly on my side as they do on their side.

However, I don't think this debate will get swept under the rug this time.