12-24-2014, 01:08 PM
(12-24-2014, 07:56 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: Yea, that was stupid as hell. Wrong on so many levels I am not even going in to it.
Crazy wrong. Steal your parents' gun (= endanger your own safety to commit theft), take it to school (= commit another crime and endanger more people's safety), give it your teacher (= betray your family)... The idiocy blows me away, pun intended.
(12-24-2014, 07:56 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: The onerous bits I am talking about are all the things that keep showing up as proposals, the extensive paperwork that BBH was talking about implementing, especially if its just paperwork for the express purpose of creating a system so complicated that it forces people away. The endless repetitive steps for people that are already cleared by virtue of a CCW permit, why should I have to go through all that BS every time I wish to buy, trade or sell a gun or ammo? I am already cleared and stable so says the state.
Difference of opinion, I guess.
A CCW just means that you've taken the necessary firearms training (or achieved other qualifying status), given your prints, paid the small fee, and been cleared by the state to carry your firearms in some public places.
It doesn't make you an elite gun-owner or a member of law enforcement to hold a CCW. It doesn't mean that your firearms-related transactions should be exempt from the same transparency as anyone else's for those of us who support some rational national gun control measures and tracking (which, for a lot of us, would required the firearms training course for all gun-owners anyhow).
You have to undergo a background check for each dealer gun purchase even with a state-issued CCW -- no exceptions. So, I don't understand what you mean by onerous paperwork associated with the Universal Background Check bill. Is it potentially being subjected to a nationally-set wait period on transactions (of which there currently is none for Florida CCW holders) that is really your issue?
Having a CCW also doesn't mean that you can't have engaged in some activity or been diagnosed with something that would prohibit you from buying a new firearm since the time you were approved for the CCW (nor does it ensure that you're not a potential gun trafficker).
I don't see the process or proposed process as being onerous or hoop-jumping at all, CCW or not.
(12-24-2014, 07:56 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: First time gun buyers, young gun buyers, those without a CCW: Yea, there should be some extra checking on them as long as its actual checking and the info is dealt with properly and in a timely manner.
Anyone breaking the gun laws: Straw Buyers, guys buying guns just to sell them, yea, they need to go to jail. I even think one should not be allowed to sell a gun to a stranger as a private seller, there should be some mechanism to trace where the gun went. That would prevent a guy irresponsibly selling a gun to someone with unknown credentials, or none at all.
Any convicted felon caught with a gun needs to go away for the rest of his life, felons that use a gun to rob or kill should be executed, fuck em, how the hell you going to rehab a guy like that?
Leave a gun where a kid can get it? Go to jail, it shouldn't be hard to figure out
The same background checking should be done for previous gun owners, old or young purchasers, and those with a CCW, IMO -- same as it is now at the state level, including Florida. What is the extra checking you're talking about if not the transaction-specific dealer background check (which is already required)? Maybe I'm missing something.
Aside from that and mandatory jail time for neglect or endangerment (for me, charges should be filed in all cases, but the punishment would depend on the specific case), we're on the same page.