12-25-2014, 05:58 PM
The hoops are different for different states HotD.
The ATF requires all buyers to fill out a forum 4473. That forum is really a waste of time IMO. I say that because a 4473 does not go to the feds. It simply gets filed in the dealers files and must remain there for 20 years at which time it can be disposed of. The only time it might get looked at is if a crime is committed and the firearm needs to get traced. Then the cops have to hit all the gun shops and ask if they sold that firearm. If they did then the forum gets looked up and the purchasers name verified.
All firearm transactions are also required to either be run through a FFL's books, or if it is a private sale the seller must see the buyers ID and permit to purchase. They are also required to take that info down and keep it in their records for 10 years . That goes for unlicensed sellers at gunshows also.
A call in to the N.I.C.S. is also required . However some states allow a permit to purchase or a permit to carry to act as the call in.
If a buyer purchases two or more handguns at one time a separate form is then required. That multiple purchase form is sent to the CLEO as well as the ATF.
Some states, such as Ill require a F.O.I.D. card. That firearms Owners ID card is a state issued card and says the state has also checked you out and found you able to own firearms.
Some states require a waiting period. Thank heavens Iowa is not one of them, but Ill has such a wait and it is 3 days. Wisconsin has a 24 hour wait. When we sell a firearm to a person from out of state we must abide by the laws of the purchasers home state [ our shop will not sell a gun to anyone from Cal, NY, or NJ its just too much work dealing with their laws]. We also are required to deliver that firearm [if it is a handgun] to a FFL holder in their state so that they can do the federally required paperwork.
Other states and some county's within states have their own laws/rules about magazine capacity limits, Bullet buttons, ammo type restrictions, etc.
Personally I feel the system is a joke and should be scrapped and we should start over. I believe the laws should be the same boarder to boarder, coast to coast. All this needless/useless paperwork that clutters up our shop needs to go. Yes do the 4473 and N.I.C.S. call in, but, just as the ATF does with the info from that N.I.C.S. call in, purge the system at the end of each day.
I do feel a permit to carry should be required . I think Iowa has this part right. The card is issued only after a basic firearm course is successfully completed and you pass a background check [which is the same thing as a N.I.C.S. call in]. That permit should be allowed to bypass the N.I.C.S. when purchasing since that call in was already done to get the permit.
Those are a few of my thoughts HotD. I am sure there is more but in my "foggy" state of mind it is all I can think of right now.
The ATF requires all buyers to fill out a forum 4473. That forum is really a waste of time IMO. I say that because a 4473 does not go to the feds. It simply gets filed in the dealers files and must remain there for 20 years at which time it can be disposed of. The only time it might get looked at is if a crime is committed and the firearm needs to get traced. Then the cops have to hit all the gun shops and ask if they sold that firearm. If they did then the forum gets looked up and the purchasers name verified.
All firearm transactions are also required to either be run through a FFL's books, or if it is a private sale the seller must see the buyers ID and permit to purchase. They are also required to take that info down and keep it in their records for 10 years . That goes for unlicensed sellers at gunshows also.
A call in to the N.I.C.S. is also required . However some states allow a permit to purchase or a permit to carry to act as the call in.
If a buyer purchases two or more handguns at one time a separate form is then required. That multiple purchase form is sent to the CLEO as well as the ATF.
Some states, such as Ill require a F.O.I.D. card. That firearms Owners ID card is a state issued card and says the state has also checked you out and found you able to own firearms.
Some states require a waiting period. Thank heavens Iowa is not one of them, but Ill has such a wait and it is 3 days. Wisconsin has a 24 hour wait. When we sell a firearm to a person from out of state we must abide by the laws of the purchasers home state [ our shop will not sell a gun to anyone from Cal, NY, or NJ its just too much work dealing with their laws]. We also are required to deliver that firearm [if it is a handgun] to a FFL holder in their state so that they can do the federally required paperwork.
Other states and some county's within states have their own laws/rules about magazine capacity limits, Bullet buttons, ammo type restrictions, etc.
Personally I feel the system is a joke and should be scrapped and we should start over. I believe the laws should be the same boarder to boarder, coast to coast. All this needless/useless paperwork that clutters up our shop needs to go. Yes do the 4473 and N.I.C.S. call in, but, just as the ATF does with the info from that N.I.C.S. call in, purge the system at the end of each day.
I do feel a permit to carry should be required . I think Iowa has this part right. The card is issued only after a basic firearm course is successfully completed and you pass a background check [which is the same thing as a N.I.C.S. call in]. That permit should be allowed to bypass the N.I.C.S. when purchasing since that call in was already done to get the permit.
Those are a few of my thoughts HotD. I am sure there is more but in my "foggy" state of mind it is all I can think of right now.