12-26-2014, 04:47 PM
Glad I didn't try and read your response yesterday HotD. Hahaha .And yes, Christmas went well thanks and I do hope you enjoyed yours as much as we did.
My opinion of the 4473 and call in is that they are good in theory but do not work in the real world. There is no way to verify the questions/answers checked. The only thing that can be checked is the persons background and that is by the call in. Then even that is a hit or miss. Not always does the call in go through as quickly as one might think. If the buyer has a name similar to someone on the no sell list they can get delayed for up to 3 days. Then at the end of the 3 days we have the right to sell the firearm to the buyer even though we did not get the OK from N.I.C.S. . Then with todays technology the ability to produce a fake ID using a real persons info is very real. How do we know if that ID is fake or real? A felon can and I am sure has used such a ID to purchase a firearm under another persons name. Are the 4473's difficult? No , not really. IMO they are just ineffective.
I feel the Ill FOID card is useless. Why should a person need to hold a state card when they already need to go through a federal check? Other than the fact that I feel the federal system is a joke. But lets get back to the fact that one is required in Ill. So if a person wants to carry a firearm they have to first get the FOID card, Then do the training and pay the fees , which in my opinion is what this system is all about $$$$$ , Then they get their CCW card. Now they want to buy a firearm so they now need to go through a NICS call in to get approved. So at that point you will be required to go through 3 background checks. I feel that is a large hoop for a person to jump through. I think that the FOID should be shit canned and the NICS call in should be bypassed once a person has had their background checked out for a CCW.
As far as the universal background checks go, in theory they sound good, but speaking from experience they just wont work. The ATF already requires all gun sales to be recorded , with the exception of family, even at a gun show. Does it happen? Hell No. Private people set up tables or even sell out of their trunks. If a ATF agent shows up the word travels fast and you see people packing up and heading out the door FAST. I feel that for this system to work the promoter of the gunshow should require anyone renting a table to show them a copy of their FFL and keep a copy on their table while at the show [that second part is already a ATF law but no one enforces it] . There should be a FFL setup at these shows with the sole purpose of doing NICS call ins for private sales. Then the 4473, or whatever new number they come up with if/when the actually revise the system, should have a buyers detachable portion that would need to be produced at the door when leaving the show. There is already cops at the doors of every gunshow checking firearms for clear, it would be a easy extra step for them to glance at that portion of the forum. No gun should be allowed to leave the building without proof of ownership. They already clear, tag and zip tie our carry weapons on the way in so that is also a easy step.
My main concern about all these firearm laws is that I DO NOT want big brother to know what I own. If their ever comes a day that they should try and disarm us a list would make that task far to easy. I know, I know, now I am stepping into the grey area, but that is how I and many other gun owners feel. Check us out when we buy and sell? Yes, sure. Keep track of what I own? FUCK NO !!!!!!!
My opinion of the 4473 and call in is that they are good in theory but do not work in the real world. There is no way to verify the questions/answers checked. The only thing that can be checked is the persons background and that is by the call in. Then even that is a hit or miss. Not always does the call in go through as quickly as one might think. If the buyer has a name similar to someone on the no sell list they can get delayed for up to 3 days. Then at the end of the 3 days we have the right to sell the firearm to the buyer even though we did not get the OK from N.I.C.S. . Then with todays technology the ability to produce a fake ID using a real persons info is very real. How do we know if that ID is fake or real? A felon can and I am sure has used such a ID to purchase a firearm under another persons name. Are the 4473's difficult? No , not really. IMO they are just ineffective.
I feel the Ill FOID card is useless. Why should a person need to hold a state card when they already need to go through a federal check? Other than the fact that I feel the federal system is a joke. But lets get back to the fact that one is required in Ill. So if a person wants to carry a firearm they have to first get the FOID card, Then do the training and pay the fees , which in my opinion is what this system is all about $$$$$ , Then they get their CCW card. Now they want to buy a firearm so they now need to go through a NICS call in to get approved. So at that point you will be required to go through 3 background checks. I feel that is a large hoop for a person to jump through. I think that the FOID should be shit canned and the NICS call in should be bypassed once a person has had their background checked out for a CCW.
As far as the universal background checks go, in theory they sound good, but speaking from experience they just wont work. The ATF already requires all gun sales to be recorded , with the exception of family, even at a gun show. Does it happen? Hell No. Private people set up tables or even sell out of their trunks. If a ATF agent shows up the word travels fast and you see people packing up and heading out the door FAST. I feel that for this system to work the promoter of the gunshow should require anyone renting a table to show them a copy of their FFL and keep a copy on their table while at the show [that second part is already a ATF law but no one enforces it] . There should be a FFL setup at these shows with the sole purpose of doing NICS call ins for private sales. Then the 4473, or whatever new number they come up with if/when the actually revise the system, should have a buyers detachable portion that would need to be produced at the door when leaving the show. There is already cops at the doors of every gunshow checking firearms for clear, it would be a easy extra step for them to glance at that portion of the forum. No gun should be allowed to leave the building without proof of ownership. They already clear, tag and zip tie our carry weapons on the way in so that is also a easy step.
My main concern about all these firearm laws is that I DO NOT want big brother to know what I own. If their ever comes a day that they should try and disarm us a list would make that task far to easy. I know, I know, now I am stepping into the grey area, but that is how I and many other gun owners feel. Check us out when we buy and sell? Yes, sure. Keep track of what I own? FUCK NO !!!!!!!