12-26-2014, 05:39 PM
Thanks, F.U.
Everything that you've described as hoops are just (1) process imperfections, which are inherent to any system, or (2) necessary steps for any process involving checks, or (3) your personal disagreement with state-specific legislation.
None of those things are associated with the universal background check proposal, yet you and other enthusiasts often cite the introduction of new onerous paperwork or the creation of extra hoops when explaining why you didn't support the legislation. The argument doesn't hold up. You're instead only complaining about the existing process.
The current system isn't perfect, but it helps keeps guns outta the wrong hands in regards to guns sought through dealers. That imperfect system would help do the same thing with guns sought via private transactions. Then, the imperfect system would have closed one loophole and future system improvements would incorporate all legal gun transactions -- dealer or private; a step in the right direction.
You posted: My main concern about all these firearm laws is that I DO NOT want big brother to know what I own. If their ever comes a day that they should try and disarm us a list would make that task far to easy. I know, I know, now I am stepping into the grey area, but that is how I and many other gun owners feel. Check us out when we buy and sell? Yes, sure. Keep track of what I own? FUCK NO !!!!!!!
Every time any new gun safety/control measure gets close to becoming a reality, the "big brother is gonna create a secret national registry and confiscate all of our guns!!!!!!!" screaming begins, the NRA (talk about being all about $$$ and power, btw) starts pouring everything it has into blocking the changes, and logical progress is stymied by illogical paranoia.
But, as I said upthread, progress is being made at the state, local and industry levels in some cases even though national measures have failed. I expect to see continued momentum in the push for more balance between citizens' rights to bear arms and society's rights to protection against unqualified/unstable citizens bearing arms.
FWIW, I don't consider you a responsible gun owner if you continue not to securely store your firearms and ammo outta reach when you have children in your home. Every single piece of gun safety literature that I've seen, even NRA-produced materials, mandates that responsible gun ownership includes such child security measures. Failing to adhere to that universal safety guideline is one thing that separates a responsible enthusiast from an irresponsible extremist, in my personal opinion.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on the merits of a gun license and the prudence and value of a transaction-specific background check, even for those holding state licenses and CCW permits. I already explained why I support that current requirement when I responded to Six, and I understand why you don't.
By the way, I don't want to take your arms from you, just so you know. Now, your legs, maybe...
Everything that you've described as hoops are just (1) process imperfections, which are inherent to any system, or (2) necessary steps for any process involving checks, or (3) your personal disagreement with state-specific legislation.
None of those things are associated with the universal background check proposal, yet you and other enthusiasts often cite the introduction of new onerous paperwork or the creation of extra hoops when explaining why you didn't support the legislation. The argument doesn't hold up. You're instead only complaining about the existing process.
The current system isn't perfect, but it helps keeps guns outta the wrong hands in regards to guns sought through dealers. That imperfect system would help do the same thing with guns sought via private transactions. Then, the imperfect system would have closed one loophole and future system improvements would incorporate all legal gun transactions -- dealer or private; a step in the right direction.
You posted: My main concern about all these firearm laws is that I DO NOT want big brother to know what I own. If their ever comes a day that they should try and disarm us a list would make that task far to easy. I know, I know, now I am stepping into the grey area, but that is how I and many other gun owners feel. Check us out when we buy and sell? Yes, sure. Keep track of what I own? FUCK NO !!!!!!!
Every time any new gun safety/control measure gets close to becoming a reality, the "big brother is gonna create a secret national registry and confiscate all of our guns!!!!!!!" screaming begins, the NRA (talk about being all about $$$ and power, btw) starts pouring everything it has into blocking the changes, and logical progress is stymied by illogical paranoia.
But, as I said upthread, progress is being made at the state, local and industry levels in some cases even though national measures have failed. I expect to see continued momentum in the push for more balance between citizens' rights to bear arms and society's rights to protection against unqualified/unstable citizens bearing arms.
FWIW, I don't consider you a responsible gun owner if you continue not to securely store your firearms and ammo outta reach when you have children in your home. Every single piece of gun safety literature that I've seen, even NRA-produced materials, mandates that responsible gun ownership includes such child security measures. Failing to adhere to that universal safety guideline is one thing that separates a responsible enthusiast from an irresponsible extremist, in my personal opinion.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on the merits of a gun license and the prudence and value of a transaction-specific background check, even for those holding state licenses and CCW permits. I already explained why I support that current requirement when I responded to Six, and I understand why you don't.
By the way, I don't want to take your arms from you, just so you know. Now, your legs, maybe...