GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[HairOfTheDog]

How does your fear that the US government is gonna try to come take your guns sometime in the future, like what happened in Nazi Germany 70 years ago, become more realistic by requiring private firearms transactions to go through the same background checking as dealer firearms transactions? It doesn't. No rational argument or connection between the two exists.

Let me use S.S. as an example. When it first started it was for widows of service members and their siblings, as the years went by and the pie grew it included disabled vets. Later to include adults and children born blind deaf etc. That was fine. Then LBJ turned it into a great place for the poor to get money that grew until people were getting disability for being drunks and drug addicts.
Today they are thinking of letting illegals get a piece of it as the original recipients it was started for get their balls sniped. Every year it becomes a burden. Not because they have no money but more people are added who never contributed.

Now when you say I have nothing to fear from the government and that the constitution is secure how can you guarantee that years down the road when a new President or Congress decides to change things or add to existing laws? I prefer to go by the past actions then by any hot air coming from any politicians mouth.

I just do not trust them, to many lies and smoke and mirrors out there.

I didn't say that you had nothing to fear from the government. I said that your fear of future US government attempts to come take your guns and implement Martial Law, using Nazi Germany 70+ years ago as a baseline, becomes no more realistic if private gun transactions become subject to the same background checking as dealer gun transactions. Read the bill/proposed law for universal background checks. If you can logically and specifically connect the two, I'm all ears.

I also didn't say that the Constitution can guarantee you that years down the road, laws won't change. The Constitution isn't meant to make time stand still -- though it's clear some wish that were the case.

I've got plenty of flaws -- gullibility, illogicality, and resistance to change based on fear are not amongst them.

I don't care if you all wanna bury guns in the ground waiting for the US government to spit out its supposed super secret list and come rob you of your arms. I don't care if people like F.U. wanna legally acquire and boast about an arsenal of guns -- loaded ones on hand at all times -- in preparation for that imagined day of reckoning. I don't care if you wanna teach your kids how to shoot and how to be ready to fight against the US government in preparation for "Big Brother" coming to take your guns. None of that bothers me and it's your business.

However, I did care to respond and challenge you (collective) when you tried to make your fear of a possible future governmental action a justification for affording children an opportunity to get a hold of loaded guns at home and for resisting measures to reduce the number of violent and unstable adults from getting a hold of guns. I care about society and safety, today and in the future.

Why do some self-proclaimed "survivalists" bother blowing hot air about supporting more enforcement of existing guns laws and supporting common sense measures to make those laws more all-encompassing, only to ultimately resist the implementation of such measures based on unsubstantiated claims that they introduce onerous new hoops for law-abiding gun-owners? That's some unproductive bullshit and backwards marching, IMO.

Anyway, seems we've gotten past that bullshit here yesterday and today. A couple of you wouldn't support any government-sponsored initiative or law designed to increase gun control/safety -- even if the initiatives or laws don't afford "Big Brother" any more opportunity to create a national gun registry than it has today -- because you don't trust the government. That's it -- your fear of government is your paramount concern. There's no reason to keep tossing about bullshit when that's all that needed to be said in the first place.

I don't wanna change your minds -- I just wanted to understand your changing claims and your mindsets. Now, I do.