GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[HairOfTheDog]

1. I would like specifics on what exactly they call a "Loop Hole"

Gun show non-dealer transactions, people engaged in multiple private transactions (internet transactions included).

2. Should only apply to people convicted of crimes, not just accused. Seen too many cases of people calling the law and hollering domestic abuse when its abundantly clear that both are at fault, or worse yet, the one calling is the one caused the problem. Due process is a good thing.

Of course. No one is proposing that due process rights be ignored. The proposal is to expand the existing Federal law.

Presently, Federal law only prohibits gun purchases by those convicted of domestic abuse (or against whom a judge has issued a restraining/protective order) in relation to a spouse. That's too narrow. Clinton is proposing the same prohibition be extended to all convicted/restrained domestic abusers (not only marriage-related) and convicted/restrained stalkers too.

3. is Bullshit plain and simple. You don't sue Ford and Jack Daniels when a guy gets drunk and runs over a kid with his pickup

I think it's bullshit too. Apparently, Geraldo disagrees with us.

But, people do in fact sue the restaurant-brewery/bar in some drunk driving cases -- which is equivalent to suing the dealer (and in some cases the manufacturer).

4. I don't see a big benefit to extending the wait time, make sure the background check goes through, not times out and move on with the sale. I have not seen any data on people buying guns and killing folks the next day, might happen, but I haven't seen any data. Leave the FFL and CCW folks alone, we are not the problem.

A reasonable wait time can deter spontaneous people from committing gun violence against themselves or others. I get that.

But, I don't think extending the wait period for all is as important as holding off on delivery of the firearm until the background check is completed, no matter the length of the standard wait time. I think the law should stipulate that the wait period is a standard/target, not a guarantee.

As for CCL and FFL holders, those gun owners sometimes shoot/kill people and break the law too. And, even if that never happened, a national system that was required to track and handle separately all state-specific permit and license holders -- simply for the convenience of those holders -- would require a lot of extra cost/administration. Bad trade-off, in my opinion. Permit/license holders can simply plan a couple of days in advance, or wait a couple of days, like everybody else.


Here's a briefing/fact-sheet on Clinton's proposal. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefin...-violence/