GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

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So it's all about HOW all those people got murdered. Gotcha. We have different ideas about what winning is when it comes to murder I guess.

No. You don't get it or me, Gunnar, unsurprisingly.

It's about "preventative" measures working effectively.

If there had been a few more Port Arthur type mass murders over the last 2 decades in Australia, the murder count and per capita murder rate would be higher than it is now and higher than it was 20 years ago. But, those mass murders didn't happen because, some contend, the gun controls that were enacted after Port Arthur effectively prevented them.

Australia is a democracy. It doesn't have state-controlled or censored media. It's a massive social media market. They've got plenty of mentally ill people running around Down Under just like we do here.

And yet, while the U.S. has had hundreds of mass shootings over the last two decades, Australia has had none. So, I personally believe there's a reasonable possibility that their gun control measures helped to prevent some shooting deaths, shooting deaths that don't typically involve criminal victims. That's a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.

It seems to bother you that actions taken to prevent mass shootings have apparently worked and saved some Australian lives. But, obviously, nobody can tell you with certainty or specificity how many mass murders and how many deaths were prevented as a result of the gun control measures enacted, nor how that would have affected the total body county/per capita rates. So, just consider yourself a winner for contending it must be a zero sum achievement.

The numbers show that the number of lives lost is even whether guns are used or not. All I'm saying is that banning guns in other countries hasn't been effective in lowering homicide rates. I am opposed to legislation that will take more rights away from me without an effective impact. What "bothers me" as you put it, is people who lobby to make things illegal based on an ideal or current event without considering the downstream effects. None of us will be winners as long as sheeple keep levying for more government and less rights.