GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[HairOfTheDog]

Calls for universal background checks, age limits, banning new sales of AR15s and/or high capacity magazines, red flag laws, enhanced school security, better enforcement of existing laws, more coordination and better response to threats by LE/courts/med professionals, NICS updgrades, and the like are not attacks on the Second Amendment nor do they equate to "taking all your guns away and stripping you of your rights!"

Just what the fuck do you call a Ban? You put it right there in your post. It is an attack, no matter what it is.
Some of that attack that I Agree with such as bump stocks. Some I do not such as " and/or high capacity magazines" its an attack and will accomplish nothing.
If you pay any attention to my posts you will see that I agree with age limits, red flags and everything else you listed.
I also did not point a finger at Anyone here as "coming for our guns" I did call you out as denying there is an attack on the 2^nd. Those people are out there and they are trying, if you choose to deny that its your choice, but its pretty damned disingenuous if you do. FU talked about them, google is your friend and there is no shortage of articles or groups that want ALL guns, Some Guns, whatever banned, Those are people I am talking about. YOUR statement was that there is NO attack on the 2^nd, I say there is. Just because it isn't you or the RNC does not mean it isn't real
I have no fear that it will succeed, but thats because there are many pro gun rights out there including me and a few others in here, there is also the NRA and other gun rights groups that help defend.

A ban on certain firearms is not an attack on the Second Amendment. It's not a ban on all firearms nor a violation of your Second Amendment right to bear arms for self-defense. It wasn't Unconstitutional when certain firearms were banned in 94, and it's still not. I've explained that many times already, Six.

If you don't agree or don't understand what the Second Amendment states and what the Supreme Court ruled, that's fine. But, I do understand what the Second Amendment says. And, I understand what the Supreme Court ruled (it was very conservative Justice Scalia who said that the self-defense guarantee is 'not unlimited').

I understand that you will continue to insist that people who want a ban on AR15s are attacking your Second Amendment rights when that's legally false. It's your first amendment right to keep repeating that claim.

And, when you keep repeating that claim, some of us will ignore it or continue to point out that wanting better gun safety and control, and even restricting/banning certain firearms, is not a Second Amendment issue. All it does is shut down productive discussion and improvement-oriented compromise.

The minority of people who actually do want all firearms banned in this country are advocating something that violates the Second Amendment. I agree with you -- that's just a fact. I have not seen anyone do that here at Mock, but of course you can go looking for those anti-gun extremists on-line and find them.

It's also very easy to find pro-gun extremists, though most gun owners are rational (from what I've seen) and do want improvements made to our current gun control/safety processes, like universal background checks (which the NRA opposes, even when presented with a bill after Sandy Hook that had no riders and no pork).

I think the NRA is representing gun manufacturers as their primary focus, not gun owners. The "attack on the Second Amendment!", "European Socialist Lefties!" and other stale NRA rhetoric that inevitably gets tossed out whenever the gun debate is reignited only resonates with some people. Most see through it, in my opinion.