VIOLENCE VS SEX

[Duchess]

Good for you. Self righteous bible thumpers suck. Godly Christians are not good people, I don't care how many times a week they go to church, they are mostly intolerant fucks who judge everyone they encounter and their love is usually conditional.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Godly Christians are not good peoplel.

This is the only part I disagree with. Godly people are by nature good people and I have known many of them.
The ones that are Not good people are the self righteous fucks that consider themselves to be better than those around them because of their perceived christian status. Known way too many of them also, unfortunately they are the 20% part of that ⁸⁰⁄₂₀ thing

[Duchess]

I sometimes make blanket statements that I'm usually sorry for almost immediately afterwards. I realize the error of my ways.

[crash]

Godly Christians are not good peoplel.

Godly people are by nature good people

Horseshit. That's just as big of a blanket statement as ^

[Midwest Spy]

Godly Christians are not good peoplel.

Godly people are by nature good people

Horseshit. That's just as big of a blanket statement as ^

Horseshit, Crash.

So theyre just phonies?

Apparently you haven't been around many good, simple folk, who'd give you their last five bucks if they could to help you out.

Those are not the folks who are bible-banging, preaching fire and brimstone. They're mainly people who believe in putting in a hard days work, spending time with family and yes, supporting their church.

You should try meeting some of them.

You'd be less cynical.

[Duchess]

Does supporting one's church entail being against same sex marriage and other gay rights? Sucky Christians do that. They butt into the lives of others and proclaim how it should be done. One man, one woman, happily ever after. That's a crock of shit.

[Midwest Spy]

Does supporting one's church entail being against same sex marriage and other gay rights? Sucky Christians do that. They butt into the lives of others and proclaim how it should be done. One man, one woman, happily ever after. That's a crock of shit.

That's your opinion, and your entitled to it.

Just as someone who doesn't support same -sex marriage is entitled to theirs.

Many moderate churches completely welcome LGBT people, including mine.

Our lead Pastor is such a down to earth, real guy, that there are many Sunday's I want to race in here after his sermon and share what he's talked about. He's been divorced, been remarried, has kids, etc.

When we were very new members, our daughter was born prematurely, and he's at the hospital nearly every day visiting. Didn't really even know us, yet there he was. I've been impressed since then.

I just think that there are so many genuinely good people out in our world, that to say the Godly people are fakes, really irritates me.

[Duchess]

I think it's because we've seen so many professed Christians be absolute dicks. Many of them are quite intolerant and judgmental.

[Maggot]

The media sensationalizes the asshole Christians just as they do to any Islamic religion. It sells papers and attracts advertisers. Most are good people who will bend over backwards helping anyone that's in need. Lutheran services is one example, they give out cars to unwed single mothers and help them find apartments. There are a few more.
Give me one example of a Muslim organization that helps Christians. The atheists are the ones that get all riled up about other peoples Gods.

[Midwest Spy]

I think it's because we've seen so many professed Christians be absolute dicks. Many of them are quite intolerant and judgmental.

As with many things, Christianity should be about walking the walk, not talking the talk.

IMO, real Christians are not walking around with a name tag that says Hi, I'm Phil and Im a Christian.

No, they're the ones quietly donating clothing to the poor, helping kids get school supplies that normally wouldn't, building 'bridges' in their community, etc.

The Jimmy Swaggerts and Jim Bakkers of the world and yes even the Fox News Channel have given Christianity a bad name, but they're so small in numbers.

[aussiefriend]

I think it's because we've seen so many professed Christians be absolute dicks. Many of them are quite intolerant and judgmental.

Some are quite loud in their bigoted politics and people assume they speak on behalf of all. They are not. The Catholic church for instance, is trying to rip off school teachers and oppressing them. My state, the catholic school teachers went on strike, the catholic church then made a 'non union' offer to the teachers, to undermine the union members and their rights. They are still doing damage to the community in their own way. I asked my sister 'since when did the catholic church become political'?. Also, lest we forget the catholic church keeping 'mum' when the holocaust was on.

[HairOfTheDog]

I don't think religion has anything at all to do with whether someone is a good person or not. There are good people of every religious faith and good people of no religious faith.

I don't know what percentage of people are good vs. bad; I'd think that determination would be rather subjective anyway.

As for atheists, I don't believe there's ever been an organization of atheists waging or engaging in warfare against believers. But, I sure have seen a history of one religion going to war against (and dominating/occupying) people of a different religious faith due to conflicting beliefs in their respective Gods, scriptures, etc...

It's undeniable that some atheists have a problem with other people's Gods. Just like some people of every religious faith have a problem with other people's Gods and with atheists. I know some atheists here in the US who resent what they see as the imposition of religion (primarily Christianity) on policies, laws and society in general. They can be intolerant and loud about it, just like the loud and intolerant of every religion.

But, most atheists that I know personally don't give a shit and have no problem with other people's Gods as long as those other people don't try to impose their religion on them personally. IMO, a blanket statement about how atheists feel or think carries exactly as much weight as a blanket statement about how all Jews, Christians, Muslims, Catholics, Hindus...feel and think.

[sally]

Godly Christians are not good peoplel.

Godly people are by nature good people

Horseshit. That's just as big of a blanket statement as ^

Horseshit, Crash.

So theyre just phonies?

Apparently you haven't been around many good, simple folk, who'd give you their last five bucks if they could to help you out.

Those are not the folks who are bible-banging, preaching fire and brimstone. They're mainly people who believe in putting in a hard days work, spending time with family and yes, supporting their church.

You should try meeting some of them.

You'd be less cynical.

What are you getting your Jesus Will Return knickers in a twist about? He wasn't being cynical. He said that saying godly people are good by nature is just as much of a horseshit blanket statement as saying godly Christian's are not good people. That's it. He didn't say they were phonies or anything else against them. And I know Crash can speak for himself but maybe he doesn't want to meet them, I sure as hell don't. I have better things to do on Sundays than congregate with a bunch of sinners.

Religious moderates are some of the most arrogant fucked up people I've ever come across. That's not to say they're all bad people, but the act of having faith in God and going to church does not make someone inherently good anymore than the act of not believing makes someone inherently bad.

[Midwest Spy]

Godly Christians are not good peoplel.

Godly people are by nature good people

Horseshit. That's just as big of a blanket statement as ^

Horseshit, Crash.

So theyre just phonies?

Apparently you haven't been around many good, simple folk, who'd give you their last five bucks if they could to help you out.

Those are not the folks who are bible-banging, preaching fire and brimstone. They're mainly people who believe in putting in a hard days work, spending time with family and yes, supporting their church.

You should try meeting some of them.

You'd be less cynical.

What are you getting your Jesus Will Return knickers in a twist about? He wasn't being cynical. He said that saying godly people are good by nature is just as much of a horseshit blanket statement as saying godly Christian's are not good people.

Religious moderates are some of the most arrogant fucked up people I've ever come across. That's not to say they're all bad people, but the act of having faith in God and going to church does not make someone inherently good anymore than the act of not believing makes someone inherently bad.

Religious moderates are some of the most fucked up people you've ever met?

So how about religious fanatics? You know, chopping peoples heads off, etc, How do they rate?

And yes cynical is the word I was looking for to descibe Crash's outlook on 'Godly people'.

Itd be like me dismissing all atheists as incapable of love or compassion or filled with the desire to be generous simply because they don't believe in God.

I am happy though that you're back to being an asshole.

[HairOfTheDog]

You make no sense to me, MS.

Godly Christians are not good people.
Godly people are by nature good people.

Crash is right -- that's a fact, not an opinion. Both of those are indeed blanket statements that could never be validated; they're opinions (based on religious affiliation, or limited personal experience, or any number of factors).

It would be the same as me saying "literal brunettes with big breasts are naturally kind-hearted", and you responding that "literal brunettes with big breasts are bitchy ball busters".

[sally]

Ok dumbass, I'll ask one more time, where in Crash's post does he express an outlook on godly people? I've looked a couple times and can't seem to find his opinion on them.

[Midwest Spy]

Duchess: Godly Christians are not good people.

Six: horseshit, by nature they are good people.

Crash: horseshit, that's just as big a blanket statement.

A Christian, by definition, is someone who has committed their life to being Christlike.

Even if you're no fan of Christ, his life was dedicated to helping people and granting salvation.

So, by Crash essentially saying that Six' statement was just as wrong as Duchess', he, by the definition, is either incorrect or cynical, take your pick.

[HairOfTheDog]

I don't think that I'm the dumbass to whom you posed the question, sally, but you won't find Crash's opinion on godly people in this thread.

You'll only find his opinion on blanket statements (the blanket statements to which he responded just happened to be about godly people).

The way I'm reading MS's replies is that he misread and personalized Crash's comment; MS considers himself to be a godly person (and a "good" moderate Christian) who is being persecuted, just like Jesus.

ETA: Jesus Christ, MS. Read what you just wrote in the post above, #37. Does it make sense to you, for real?

[Midwest Spy]

The way I'm reading MS's replies is that MS considers himself to be a godly person (and a "good" moderate Christian) who is being persecuted, just like Jesus.

Hey, HotD, you're pretty amusing at times (and pretty too, at times).

This is not about me AT ALL.

I think I've made my point, to which you can surely agree with or not.

And, Crash can take care of himself if you feel like you're White Knighting.

I've acknowledged there are plenty of phony Christians that unfortunately have garnered too much air time.

But the Christians who are dedicated to walking the walk are inherently good people, which is what this topic is about.

[sally]

So how about religious fanatics? You know, chopping peoples heads off, etc, How do they rate?

Never mind the Muslim and Christian extremists, they fully embrace the scripture for what it is. Moderates like yourself twist the scripture around to your liking so it's not as ridiculous and archaic instead of just admitting it's horseshit. But you can't admit that because you are arrogant enough to think God is blessing you as you sit in church staring at tits and ass.