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Sharia law vs. Oklahoma
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Voting for these things may sound silly now but it is needed.

On Tuesday, a substantial majority of the citizens of Oklahoma took a firm stand for the sufficiency of relying on American law in the courtrooms of their state. State Question 755 on the ballot in the Sooner State placed the following measure before the voters:
This measure amends the State Constitution. It changes a section that deals with the courts of this state. It would amend Article 7, Section 1. It makes courts rely on federal and state law when deciding cases. It forbids courts from considering or using international law. It forbids courts from considering or using Sharia Law.

International law is also known as the law of nations. It deals with the conduct of international organizations and independent nations, such as countries, states and tribes. It deals with their relationship with each other. It also deals with some of their relationships with persons.

The law of nations is formed by the general assent of civilized nations. Sources of international law also include international agreements, as well as treaties.

Sharia Law is Islamic law. It is based on two principal sources, the Koran and the teaching of Mohammed.

Shall the proposal be approved?

Nearly 700,000 voters — approximately 70 percent of those Oklahomans casting a ballot — voted “Yes” on Question 755. Undoubtedly many voters considered the answer to the question to be immediately obvious, and might even have marveled that the question was being asked in the first place. Who would want foreign law or religious regulations to have any place in the courts of these United States?

However, the sad necessity of Question 755 was demonstrated in the immediate aftermath of its adoption, as lawyers for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-OK) of Oklahoma announced two days after the election that they would file suit challenging the question’s constitutionality.

Supporters and opponents of the measure had, of course, publicly sparred over Question 755 in the months leading up to election day. An October 21 story for FOX 23 (Tulsa) offered both sides of the debate an opportunity to present their positions. The CAIR viewpoint was quite revealing:

“It’s not about Shariah law at all. It’s really about anti-Muslim bigotry,” says Razi Hashimi, spokesperson for CAIR.

Muslim Americans say the measure sends a message of hatred and intolerance, and non-Muslims should not be concerned about Shariah Law.

“As long as it doesn’t affect you in any way, why should you be concerned how I solve a problem between me and my brother, or neighbor who is Muslim? I do not think it should be a matter of concern for a non-Muslim,” asserts Tulsan Mohamed Boudhhir.

CAIR argues the initiative is unnecessary, since the Constitution does not allow religious law to supercede American law.

But it would appear that a majority of Oklahoma voters read Question 755 and came to the conclusion it was precisely about Sharia Law, and those same citizens might find it difficult to understand how that ballot measure could be an unnecessary repetition of constitutional principles and simultaneously a violation of the Constitution.

As Connie Hair wrote for HumanEvents.com:

As previously reported on HUMAN EVENTS, free speech rights are under assault worldwide through violence, threats of violence, and Sharia-compliant “incitement” laws.

In England, 85 Sharia courts are in use and are pulling even non-Muslims into the system, threatening to overturn equal justice in the courts.

The American Thinker tells of a June 2010 study titled “Sharia Law in Britain: A Threat to One Law for All and Equal Rights," which begins with a quote from the Secretary General of the Islamic Sharia Council Suhaib Hasan, “If Sharia law is implemented, then you can turn this country [Great Britain] into a haven of peace because once a thief’s hand is cut off nobody is going to steal.” Furthermore, “once[,] just only once, if an adulterer is stoned[,] nobody is going to commit this crime at all,” and finally, “we want to offer it to the British society. If they accept it, it is for their good and if they don’t accept it they’ll need more and more prisons.”

Any attempt to shut down the dual court system in England would likely cause more jihadi violence and bloodshed.

In 2005, Canada rejected setting up the dual court system amid vocal protest, yet Sharia is creeping into the legal system in divorce and custody cases, undermining the equal status of women under the law.

In the United States in August, a New Jersey judge denied a restraining order to a Muslim woman after she had been repeatedly raped by her husband. Marital rape is permitted under Sharia law.

Given the appearance of what many fear are the spreading tendrils of a theocratic system of law in the United Kingdom and Canada, the Oklahoma ballot measure was clearly interpreted by many voters as a preventative measure against similar developments taking place in this country, as well. Given such concerns, the reaction of CAIR-OK may well feed such fears. As Robert Spencer poignantly summarized the situation for JihadWatch.org: “Oklahoma bans stonings, amputations for theft, death for apostates, Muslims cry ‘Islamophobia.’"

The notion that American courts should be ruled by American law hardly seems, on the face of it, a concept plagued by bigotry or the seedbed of anti-Muslim intolerance. Instead, the question presented to Oklahoma voters — and which they overwhelmingly answered in the affirmative — is whether all who reside within these United States should be held accountable to the same system of law, and that system being established by secular, not religious, authority.

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(11-06-2010, 08:38 PM)Maggot Wrote: ...the question presented to Oklahoma voters — and which they overwhelmingly answered in the affirmative — is whether all who reside within these United States should be held accountable to the same system of law, and that system being established by secular, not religious, authority.

Yes.

I can't believe that woman couldn't get a restraining order. WTF kind of country are we? We used to offer a haven from persecution, now we're letting other countries (or religious laws) to enter in to our judicial system? Separation of church and state!
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The tendrils are spreading out, is England lost already? Is Canada next? These initiatives need to be addressed ahead of time before it becomes an issue. Hooray for Oklahoma!
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If you want to live here, you live by our rules or get the fuck out. We don't owe anyone anything. It's bad enough I have to press 1 for English in my own country. Jesus Christ.
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(11-07-2010, 06:55 AM)Duchess Wrote:

If you want to live here, you live by our rules or get the fuck out. We don't owe anyone anything. It's bad enough I have to press 1 for English in my own country. Jesus Christ.

Para el ingles, pulse: “Uno”.

I am dumbfounded with the silence of PAC groups for “Women’s Rights” regarding Sharia Law. Liberals (Progressives), too.

One need not look to the UK or Canada to see the tentacles – look to the “Jersey Shores”.

Chancery Division, Family Part, Hudson County, Docket No. FV-09-1792-09

Family Court Justice Joseph Charles, denied a wife’s petition for a restraining order, stating:

"This court does not feel that, under the circumstances, that this defendant had a criminal desire to or intent to sexually assault or to sexually contact the plaintiff when he did. The court believes that he was operating under his belief that it is, as the husband, his desire to have sex when and whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices and it was something that was not prohibited."

Gee . . . I wonder if the controversial Muslim complex in New York will include a Domestic Violence shelter?

“Casa de Chattel”.
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I did see that case and thought. " Jersey needs to put this down to a vote like Oklahoma before it grows like moss on the north side" There really is no room for compromise here. If you have a problem with it go back and read the Bill of Rights.
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Where did I read that Iran was the head of the commitee for womens rights at the U.N. hah check it out..........
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I can seriously feel my fuckin blood pressure rise when I read this shit. Get the hell out of America if you don't want to live by our laws...Just GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!

Can you imagine the fallout if a woman was to be stoned in this country?
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(11-07-2010, 08:14 PM)FAHQTOO Wrote: Just GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!


Yeah!


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(11-07-2010, 08:14 PM)FAHQTOO Wrote: I can seriously feel my fuckin blood pressure rise when I read this shit. Get the hell out of America if you don't want to live by our laws...Just GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!

Can you imagine the fallout if a woman was to be stoned in this country?

I do not see it that this would happen. I can see a subset of laws within the muslim community that takes it on their own to do their own stoning, thievery, adultry,revenge killings etc. I have heard of Fathers killing their daughters because they were becoming to westernized and would go on a date with heavens forbid a "Jew" . They just go into an alley and kill them both. It just happened in Mass. recently.

I believe we all need to follow the same rules in America. Some of the hardliners do not see it as murder. They have brought it over the water and seem to think that if they can do it in their country why not here? Thus the neccesity for a clarification in the State constitution.
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(11-07-2010, 09:10 PM)Maggot Wrote:
(11-07-2010, 08:14 PM)FAHQTOO Wrote: I can seriously feel my fuckin blood pressure rise when I read this shit. Get the hell out of America if you don't want to live by our laws...Just GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!

Can you imagine the fallout if a woman was to be stoned in this country?

I do not see it that this would happen. I can see a subset of laws within the muslim community that takes it on their own to do their own stoning, thievery, adultry,revenge killings etc. I have heard of Fathers killing their daughters because they were becoming to westernized and would go on a date with heavens forbid a "Jew" . They just go into an alley and kill them both. It just happened in Mass. recently.

I believe we all need to follow the same rules in America. Some of the hardliners do not see it as murder. They have brought it over the water and seem to think that if they can do it in their country why not here? Thus the neccesity for a clarification in the State constitution.



I don't see it happening either but, I'm sure American Citizens living in Dearborn Michigan never thought they would have to listen to Muslim shit on their public outdoor pa system 5 times a day either.


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(11-07-2010, 09:10 PM)Maggot Wrote: I have heard of Fathers killing their daughters because they were becoming to westernized and would go on a date with heavens forbid a "Jew" .

"Honor" killings. Retaliation for bringing dishonor to one's family. Decided by men and instituted against women. Murder - with God's blessing.

If you have not travelled to Muslim countries, perhaps the following sites might provide some insight.

I found most of the information to be accurate.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8034/islam.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/t...ia_is.html

Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance like Michael Vick is the "Dog Whisperer".
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(11-07-2010, 01:05 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: Gee . . . I wonder if the controversial Muslim complex in New York will include a Domestic Violence shelter?

“Casa de Chattel”.

I don't have a problem with the mosque in New York. What makes our country great is that we allow freedom of religion and if we said "no" to that, we should also say "no" to any christian religions around the Oklahoma City bombings.

But there's a big difference between that and allowing religion into our judicial system. Totally different.

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(11-07-2010, 10:43 PM)username Wrote: I don't have a problem with the mosque in New York.

A Mosque?

A MOSQUE!!

Sonofabitch! They said it was a community center.

Well, I guess that screws the pooch for the Shelter.
And to think . . . I was going bring a baked ham for the opening. With pineapple rings and everything!
Bastards. Wife-beating bastards!
No weed, either. And this was the "good shit" from California. Take that . . . Stoners!
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No weed? Say it ain't so!
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(11-08-2010, 05:59 AM)Duchess Wrote:

No weed? Say it ain't so!

Sorry, babe.

Medical marijuana appears headed for defeat; thousands of ballots still being counted

azfamily.com

Posted on November 8, 2010 at 7:06 AM

PHOENIX -- While election officials are still counting ballots from last week's general election, it looks like Proposition 203, Arizona's initiative to legalize medical marijuana, is going down.

As Javier Soto explains, the no votes are leading, which means if the election were to be finalized today, Prop. 203 would be shot down.
There are still about 150,000 ballots to be counted.

Maricopa County Recorder Helen Purcell explains why the process is taking so long.

According to state law, the county has up to 20 days after the election to finalize the results.

   
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Is that a "real" photo or staged?

Whenever I give any thought to this it makes me feel somewhat irate. Who the fuck are these people that come to America & want things changed to suit them? I think this can be compared to someone coming into your home & insisting you run things to satisfy them & not yourself. I can only imagine the outcome of someone coming into MY home & making demands. Rawr!
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that photo appears staged, it may be from a movie. this photo is for real----->

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(11-09-2010, 08:11 AM)Duchess Wrote:

Is that a "real" photo or staged?

I was just a "Shout Out" to the Stoners! Keep on rockin'!
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