Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Duchess]

Kcom Smurof

[Duchess]

WTF

[curious]

WTF

Awe man, I got all excited about turning the page...been thinking of what I would ppt for weeks now

[Duchess]

Awe man, I got all excited about turning the page...been thinking of what I would ppt for weeks now

My WTF was in response to my post ending up inside of your quote.

[onefortheroad]

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A guy I know is friends with AG on FB and he showed me his page:

ON January 17:

AG: im takin bout DEVILS ...what is the world comin to.. niggaz n bitches get sweated n sell they soulz...what happened to al the thorough street niggaz n bitches U n U n U aint my round...DEVILS get up off me stupidddd

TW: aint no real niggas or bytchs left out here anymore u kno dat ...very few r left....

BC: that sum real live shit u never who or wen even tha closest turn bitch!aint 2 many real niggas left take it bacc 2 tha day n start bodyin these bitches is tha only way

TW to a girl talking to her man: i swear hoe i will slice ur throat bytch...bytch throw yoself away u fukin trashy ass bytch......cum get up wyt me..ill meet up wyt u.. (She forgot to add the "God Bless" here.......)

Random Status Updates from AG in January:
AG: it im chillin haha apprently somebodies gonna kill me haha do me the favor foreal

AG: fuck it ur nobody till somebody kills u

I know i could be way off base here but I keep coming back to the fact that both TW and AG have said that is probably why JC was targeted .....he was a snitch. So WHY would they be hanging out with him and LS if they think they are snitches? References over and over and over about snitches up until the day of the murders and then Nothing more about it for weeks. They know something................

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As I recall the saying...."keep your friends close & your enemies CLOSER". Sure makes me think of TW & AG (especially after reading the above FB post. IMO...TW jumped at the chance to show AG how true "gangsta bitch" she is by collaborating over time a plan of realing in the "snitches" with her pregnant pathetic ass! Interesting...the way TW talks, she sounds like a real jealous, show no mercy, cold sneaky bitch herself. I'm sure LS thought they were cool like "girlfriends"...NOT A F-N CHANCE! LS was a goody2shoes compared to TW. Probably what she couldn't stand, maybe that's why a couple extra smacks went to LS and a spit to go with it while AG dealt with JC...just a thought.

Could be .... Supposing this wasn't about snitching though and started with TW's jealousy. She'd been to the house a couple times, saw the kind of life Lisa & Johnny lived, hated that they had better than her and wanted them to fork over and suffer a little. As Donald's 'widow', it might not have been a problem pulling in his thug friends to provide the muscle especially if she played up the snitching angle - after all, snitches fill ditches, so teaching them a lesson would be no big deal. A fat ugly bastard like BC could probably deal with Johnny quite easily, especially if he had others helping to restrain him, and BC is used to beating on women, so Lisa would just be another punching bag to him.

[onefortheroad]

This thread is the biggest in MyBB history, Ima having this bitch bronzed.[/i][/size]

[Snoopy]

Curious: I just read the possible copy cat murder/robbery of the Texas robbery...so creepy...

I know I have changed my mind a thousand times about this case but after reading so many of the insightful posts...I'm about convinced that:

this was merely a robbery that escalated and got out of hand - by people Johnny thought were his friends....they didn't think J/L would be home at that time....it got ugly really quickly...Johnny so strong and trying to protect his girlfriend and her parents home that he felt responsible for...started shouting and defending ...Johnny probably while defending his turf and aghast at what these people were doing that he thought were his friends started shouting things about them that pisst them off and hence the murders ...

this could be my "final answer" until the arrests...

any thoughts out there?

My original post (313), is very much the same as what you are thinking here, and without new information to consider, I still believe this was an intended robbery and the victims were not expected to be there.
If some of the rumors are true, that have been spoken of on this forum regarding the crime scene and such, I would probably change some thoughts on this - but without confirmation that these things happened, and what little facts are known, my thoughts remain much the same, as they did in my first post.
Of course, the thoughts I posted last night before I left for work still remain.. as I am now wondering if the perps entered the home while JC was at his friend's watching the game, and LS was at work...
Of course, I would of never guessed that this much time would of passed without an arrest.
Its tragic that the person(s) who was capable of such a horrific crime, still walks the streets.
There has not been a single night that has passed since I heard about this crime, that I have not prayed for justice for these kids, and their families.
Lets hope it comes soon.

[JsMom]

Totally Curious wrote "If other people post it = either do not read it or ignore it if you do. You started it by the drug rant and you did indeed say you were doing a bunch of drugs and drowning it with booze. Just don't react. You are making yourself look pathetic. "

I disagree totally...JsMom was trying to be human and reach out to Maytee by making a joke...sit down and talk with us with whatever relaxes you...a beer...a joint...or in my case a diet pepsi...you are not making yourself look pathetic at all - just sticking up for yourself...but try not to get pulled in...she is just so badly hurting...my heart breaks for her...

thank you and im done

[pspence]

curious posted:
"Let me ask this, if it was unplanned, were the items used already in the home or brought in by the perps? If brought in by perps and it was unplanned, did they happen to have in their vehicle, or just leave and go by them? This part I'm struggling with..."

Maybe they had the duct tape in their car for various reasons and grabbed the bags at the Straub house (Bed, Bath & Beyond bags) ...

[Duchess]

Until it comes out & it will, I will never believe this was premeditated murder.

[aileen]

I'm just so torn on if it was, or wasn't premeditated. We've heard speculation on how Lisa fought for her life, how her tongue may or may not have been cut, and also speculation about sexual assault. I can't help but wonder if this was planned, and that they made Johnny watch as they tortured Lisa. Even if he didn't watch, they TORTURED her, and her uncle stated she clearly fought for her life. Now I ask you, if this was not premeditated, why would they do all that to her when one would think she would have been the easier one to subdue, because of her size?? I guess I would think more of a fight would ensue with Johnny, due to his size. And why would they BRING duct tape with them if it weren't planned?? They had to have brought it with them, otherwise LE wouldn't be trying to find out where it was purchased.(assuming that it is FACT that LE did contact Menards and Home Depot, as someone from here reported).

[kitty1]

any thoughts out there?

None other than I pretty much agree with you. I don't think anyone was supposed to die that night. I think things simply got out of control, that whatever plan they had fell apart & things escalated from there. I've never thought this was a professional hit, I think J & L knew their killers.

well since i said that from day one, we could have saved 880 pages of bandwidth.

Many of us have said that same thing!

[kitty1]

we could have saved 880 pages of bandwidth.

Nononono. This thread is the biggest in MyBB history, Ima having this bitch bronzed.

What's a BB?

[kitty1]

I'm crinkling my nose like Bewitched!

[kitty1]

WTF is going on up in hhhher!!

[Duchess]

we could have saved 880 pages of bandwidth.

Nononono. This thread is the biggest in MyBB history, Ima having this bitch bronzed.

What's a BB?

MyBB is a powerful, efficient, multilingual, standards-compliant forum software.

[onefortheroad]

I'm just so torn on if it was, or wasn't premeditated. We've heard speculation on how Lisa fought for her life, how her tongue may or may not have been cut, and also speculation about sexual assault. I can't help but wonder if this was planned, and that they made Johnny watch as they tortured Lisa. Even if he didn't watch, they TORTURED her, and her uncle stated she clearly fought for her life. Now I ask you, if this was not premeditated, why would they do all that to her when one would think she would have been the easier one to subdue, because of her size?? I guess I would think more of a fight would ensue with Johnny, due to his size. And why would they BRING duct tape with them if it weren't planned?? They had to have brought it with them, otherwise LE wouldn't be trying to find out where it was purchased.(assuming that it is FACT that LE did contact Menards and Home Depot, as someone from here reported).

I think they brought the duct tape with them so they could bind & gag the victims while they robbed the house. They had to have overpowered Johnny quickly and early, possibly taking him by surprise - e.g. he thought he was opening the door to a friend and was jumped before he had a chance to react.

All we know for sure about Lisa is that she fought to the death and was hit on the side of the head; I don't think the other injuries have been confirmed. It's possible they weren't expecting such a struggle with Lisa and went further than planned trying to subdue her or because it made them really angry....

[aileen]

Hmmmmm, wondering if the Maydoo Voodoo actually worked!*shiver* This place is never this quiet. <cue Twilight Zone theme music>

[PURPLECATS]

off-topic~~
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ADUB AND CONCERNED~~

I also would like to wish ADUB AND CONCERNED
A HAPPY BIRTHDAY TOO

[Freshbait78]

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez: The day you set up my son johnny n lisa to have lisas house robbed by your goons is the day you all signed your death sentence thank you god for guiding law enforcement to all the wolves dressed in sheeps clothing... Their is no perfect murder i told you all noone gets away!!! Rest in heavenly peace johnny n lisa i promise you justice does prevail and noone got away they all die my promise to you my son i love you infinity n beyond
TCH: Did they find out who did it?
TS: does this mean we finally have some leads ?
A: apologies are in order

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez Get lost demon you are not welcomed here have respect and stay off this page only god law abiding citizens are welcomed here

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez Only when you and tiffany are proven innocent beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law
12 hours ago.

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez Aaron why must you continue to disrespect my wishes and try to torment us by posting on here??? You sure do not keep your word of unliking this page... Why must you keep snooping and slithering like a snake all the time.leave us alone will you
12 hours ago · 1 person likes this.

AG and that most definate;ly will never be happenin because i will never be stepping into a court of law over this.....and you are far from a god law abiding citizen....u believe in witchcraft u fuckin mute....but im done on this page...jus wanted to state the facts......u said it right cause whoever did this is probably laughin at how ridiculous u act on a daily basis and they are coward(s) cuz they r uin sheeps clothingt...everyone knows atleast they think they know how i am so yea ive never been a sheep....ur hilarious foreal
12 hours ago.

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez Your a pathetic coward get lost ive already contact law enforcement and made them aware of your threats to me and my family
12 hours ago.

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez Guilty minds dont rest aaron and its all catching up isnt it???
12 hours ago.

AG catching up? ur son was no threat to me at all ...and neither was lisa....i may be guiltyu of a shit load of other things but murder is not one of them....and yea i dont know if u forgot but FUCK THE POLICE....i dont barr them or anybody u talkin bout including ur infamous demons.....
12 hours ago.

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez Aaron why do you feel the constant need to try and prove your innocence is your mind finally eating away at you with guilt maybe you should call a priest or detective and confess your part in what you know... Is johnny n lisas spirit haunting your evil ass for what you know
12 hours ago.

AG i gave my word to T and i dont even know T so why the fuck would me givin her my word matter....and TS u little fat bitch i think ur jus mad i feel over tiffany whoopin ur azz in ur own house awhile back when u were throwin a party so jump on another bandwagon u dick ridin bitch
12 hours ago.

AG their spirits aren'ty haunting me...and i am in no way trying to prove my innocence ..i dont care what u think ...im jus talkin shit cuz ur a fuckin delusional zanax eatin bitch....who use to be an informant......b
12 hours ago.

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez Wow aaron you know demon hour is 3am and thats when you always seem to pop out at that time you are evil and disrespectfull just do us all a favor call the detective cash in on reward so you dont have to rob anymore and tell them your part.
11 hours ago.

AG i am done tho...im givin johhny and lisa my word i aint sayin shit to u no more c ause they weill help us all know who did this ...N THATS REAL..
11 hours ago.

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez Really i believe they will haunt you till you cant take it no more and im sorry i dont do drugs or pills or drink im not your strung out girlfriend aaron that pops percs xanax n plays beer pong pregnant what a shame that is just goes to show society what poor excuse for human life she is harming her unborn fetus
11 hours ago.

TS ahahah you clearly dont know me. nd are u fuckin psycho ? have i fuckin said anything too you or gotten into this at all ? i think not so you can calm your ass down and get off my shit. you dont even kno who the fuck i am so why are you worried nd bringin me into this ? and pretty sure you need to get ur story straight cuz her ass has never put a hand on me. she might of came at my cousin wrong at our house but that was a grip ago and over something you have no idea about. so mind your own and live ur own life crazy ass.
11 hours ago.

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez T dont feed into the hoodrats your better then that obviously he cant sleep cus johnny n lisas spirit haunts him for what happened to them but i wouldnt be surprised if one of the guilty ones kill themselves cus their minds will eat them alive with guilt
11 hours ago · 1 personLoading...

Sorry so long, there is more exchange between Maytee & T but I think the important & interesting part is the exchange between Maytee & AG