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Just wondering if anyone else was following this, and what other people think:
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/0...ermit?lite
Who's the offender here? The guys building the mosque, or the residents who are trying to block it? Personally, I don't buy all the bullshit, and think there are residents who are scared of the big-bad-muslim, and therefore will never, under any circumstances, support a mosque there.
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If it complies with all the zoning laws and proper paperwork was submitted securing the necessary permits I think the judge better step back and let this proceed.
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I agree... but it seems the community is forever coming up with stupid reasons to halt the construction- petty (and as far as I can tell, sometimes manufactured) legal disputes- basically, a cover for bigotry. I have much more respect for bigoted pricks that just come out with it than I do those that try to hide behind bogus smoke screens.
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Try and build a church in a muslim country and see how much success you have. It's not bigotry. People have legitimate concerns.
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Building a church in a "muslim country" is not the same thing as building a mosque in the US. This is a secular nation, not a christian one. Unlike Iran, for example, our Constitution actually guarantees religious freedom. It doesn't provide those freedoms to one specific religion over another. What "legitimate" concerns are you speaking of, that don't have their roots in bigotry and/or stereotypes?
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(05-31-2012, 07:25 PM)chaze77 Wrote: Building a church in a "muslim country" is not the same thing as building a mosque in the US. This is a secular nation, not a christian one. Unlike Iran, for example, our Constitution actually guarantees religious freedom. It doesn't provide those freedoms to one specific religion over another. What "legitimate" concerns are you speaking of, that don't have their roots in bigotry and/or stereotypes?
I don't want one in my neighborhood...sorry.
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I wish people would just say that- they don't want one in their neighborhood. It's ridiculous to make up all these excuses, code violations, etc, when the bottom line is that they don't want a bunch of muslims running around. I wouldn't agree with the sentiment, but can at least respect the honesty.
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Honesty won't get them their objective, lying does.
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You're right... and no one really gives a shit about my opinion or my preference that they be honest over giving a line of crap to cover their bigotry. Carry on, then!
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(05-31-2012, 08:52 PM)chaze77 Wrote: You're right... and no one really gives a shit about my opinion or my preference that they be honest over giving a line of crap to cover their bigotry.
Where do you get off calling people here liars and bigots for saying that they don't want a mosque in their area.
There are legitimate concerns. Legitimate cultural concerns and if the truth be known, concerns around the religion itself and the violence it advocates against women. There are many of issues surrounding these islamic organisations that cannot be passively ignored.
In fact, it could be argued that this level of 'tolerance' gave them the ammunition to train themselves to fly planes in the US. Get visa's and carry out their violent objectives.
Don't be naive about what you are dealing with. These people are not operating on the same principles that we live by. If you are passive and let things get out of control in the name of 'political correctness' you will have huge problems on your hands.
There ultimate goal is to take over the world, and many of them are pushing for an islamic world. I personally, do not wish to live under Sharia law. But that's me, I'm old fashioned like that.
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(06-04-2012, 03:18 AM)aussiefriend Wrote: (05-31-2012, 08:52 PM)chaze77 Wrote: You're right... and no one really gives a shit about my opinion or my preference that they be honest over giving a line of crap to cover their bigotry.
Where do you get off calling people here liars and bigots for saying that they don't want a mosque in their area.
There are legitimate concerns. Legitimate cultural concerns and if the truth be known, concerns around the religion itself and the violence it advocates against women. There are many of issues surrounding these islamic organisations that cannot be passively ignored.
In fact, it could be argued that this level of 'tolerance' gave them the ammunition to train themselves to fly planes in the US. Get visa's and carry out their violent objectives.
Don't be naive about what you are dealing with. These people are not operating on the same principles that we live by. If you are passive and let things get out of control in the name of 'political correctness' you will have huge problems on your hands.
There ultimate goal is to take over the world, and many of them are pushing for an islamic world. I personally, do not wish to live under Sharia law. But that's me, I'm old fashioned like that.
Hey aussie, you might be missing the bigger picture in terms of ultimate freedom for women. Yes, Sharian Law looks repressive as hell, BUT consider these advantages enjoyed by the women subjected to it:
- Since they can only show their faces and hands in public, one could pack on the pounds and need only worry about facial injections. And, Nair, pffft. Why worry?
-If they are forced to undergo a clitoridectomy, they won't be distracted by basic human needs for pleasure. That gives women more time to focus on making life pleasant for their masters. That's where the satisfaction in life lies.
-Well, there's an endless list of advantages, to be sure, but I'll stop there. 
But seriously, not all Muslims are terrorists, by a long shot. And, not all Muslims are nutfuck fundamentalists. If they are US citizens and get legal approval, let them build their mosque and worship - freedom of religion is an important guarantee in the US Constitution.
Having said that, I'm convinced that the US govt will be all over it. The US Patriot Act and similar legislation passed after 911 gives the government a fuckload of leeway in responding to private and personal activity which they believe may be a threat to the US. It's invasive and intrusive to US citizens in some ways, imo, but it also allows for monitoring and surveilling organized environments/groups with a much broader reach and fewer boundaries than pre-911.
P.s. I'd feel much more confident about this if Hasan had been ferreted out before he shot and killed 12 people, but...
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you know what HoTD I worry about the rising crime of 'honor' killings in Western Countries. It used to be that you never, or hardly ever saw one of these burqa's here in Oz. Now if you go to some places they are everywhere. It is a fast growing religion. Part of their agenda is to Islamize us all whether we like it or not. It would just come down to being imposed on us.
You would have to take on an islamic name.
Instead of ImaDick it would be ImaSheikh!  So you see, we are really in a bad situation, things could really get out of hand then!
We need to say here are our boundaries and this is not acceptable to us. I thought when France 'banned the burqa' it was brave and correct for that nation.
Here in Oz, the police have the right,  by law, to check under the burqa. There was a case of a woman hiding behind the burqa to escape prosecution. She was not successful. It was a benchmark case that now prohibits these women from using their burqa as a defence.
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Do Muslims from different countries (and different kinds of Muslims) settle in different areas? Because you know those fuckers have been fighting over there for thousands of years. Do they suddenly get along when they are here? Or do the Sunni Muslims get the South and the Shiite get the North? How exactly does that work?
(03-15-2013, 07:12 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: You see Duchess, I have set up a thread to discuss something and this troll is behaving just like Riotgear did.
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Yes that's a good point Cracker, there are factions. And they definately do not get on! Look at the Shiites and the Sunnis.
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(06-04-2012, 09:56 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: Yes that's a good point Cracker, there are factions. And they definately do not get on! Look at the Shiites and the Sunnis.
And fuck those australians to.
those arrogant bunch of roo jumpers.
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(06-04-2012, 10:02 PM)IMaDick Wrote: And fuck those australians to.
those arrogant bunch of roo jumpers.
you tell 'em Dick. 
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(06-04-2012, 10:15 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: (06-04-2012, 10:02 PM)IMaDick Wrote: And fuck those australians to.
those arrogant bunch of roo jumpers.
you tell 'em Dick.
It's slang for reach.
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Egg laying spelling chickens, Grammar would be proud.
He ain't heavy, he's my brother.
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(06-04-2012, 10:35 PM)Maggot Wrote: Grammar would be proud.
she is. very.
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