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Woman charged in New York firefighter slayings
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Maybe after she is charged and sentenced others will think twice anout doing a straw purchase!!

http://news.yahoo.com/woman-charged-york...01852.html

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — William Spengler raised no alarms in prison for 17 years and for more than a decade afterward. Well-spoken, well-behaved and intelligent, his demeanor was praised by four straight parole boards that nevertheless denied him parole, worried that bludgeoning his 92-year-old grandmother with a hammer showed a violent streak that could explode again.

After his sentence was up in 1996, he stayed out of trouble until 2010, police said Friday. That's when Spengler went to a sporting goods store with a neighbor's daughter, picked out a Bushmaster semiautomatic rifle and a shotgun and had her buy the guns that the convicted felon couldn't legally possess. On Monday, he used the weapons to ambush firefighters lured to a blaze he set at his house in upstate Webster, killing two people and wounding three others before killing himself.

On Friday, state and federal authorities charged the woman who bought the guns, 24-year-old Dawn Nguyen, with lying on a form that said she would be the owner of the guns she bought for Spengler.

The charges involve the semiautomatic rifle and the 12-gauge shotgun that Spengler had with him Monday when volunteer firefighters Michael Chiapperini and Tomasz Kaczowka were gunned down. Three other people, including two other firefighters, were wounded before the 62-year-old Spengler killed himself. He also had a .38-caliber revolver, but Nguyen is not connected to that gun, police said.

Investigators were still working Friday to confirm their belief that a body found in Spengler's burned home was that of the sister he lived with, Cheryl Spengler, 67.

U.S. Attorney William Hochul said Nguyen bought the two guns on June 6, 2010, on behalf of Spengler. Police used the serial numbers on the guns to trace them to Nguyen.

"She told the seller of these guns, Gander Mountain in Henrietta, N.Y., that she was to be the true owner and buyer of the guns instead of William Spengler," Hochul said. "It is absolutely against federal law to provide any materially false information related to the acquisition of firearms."

During an interview late on Christmas Eve, she told police she had bought the guns for personal protection and that they were stolen from her vehicle, though she never reported the guns stolen. The day after the shootings, Nguyen texted an off-duty Monroe County Sheriff's deputy with references to the killings. She later called the deputy and admitted she bought the guns for Spengler, police said Friday.

That information was consistent with a suicide note found near Spengler's body after he killed himself. The rambling, typed letter spelled out Spengler's intention to destroy his neighborhood and "do what I like doing best, killing people."

Nguyen is scheduled to return to court on Jan. 8. She declined comment Friday, and a working phone number for her lawyer could not be found.

The .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle, which had a combat-style flash suppressor, is similar to the one used by the gunman who massacred 20 children and six women in a Newtown, Conn., elementary school earlier this month.

As police announced the charges against Nguyen, a clearer portrait of Spengler began to emerge, in the words of wary parole commissioners who kept him locked up until the law said they had to let him go.

At his final parole hearing in 1995, the then-45-year-old Spengler repeated his desire to get out of prison while he still had time to rebuild his life. He also took issue with a previous decision not to release him because the board believed he remained a danger to society.

"You know, the only area of confusion, the last Board, they said that I might be a danger to the community at that time," he said. "I can't figure out where in my record it shows that."

"Well, 13 shots to the head. The grandmother. You killed a 92-year-old woman. We are worried about that," a board member replied. "There might be another occasion where you lose your temper and you might repeat that behavior. That is what frightens us. That frightens us."

During four hearings between 1989 and 1995, Spengler quarreled with parole board members over details of his grandmother's killing, insisting each time he'd only hit her three times on the head with a hammer while evidence pointed to 13 blows, and initially saying he couldn't explain why the attack happened.

He told the commissioners he took care of his father's mother in her home next to his because others in the family had difficulty dealing with her, in part because she could be violent. He denied insinuations he was taking financial advantage of Rose Spengler.

The transcripts reveal a well-spoken man, proud to be staying out of trouble in prison and earning positions of trust and responsibility, even time out of prison with a work crew that did renovation work in places including a century-old chapel. The board members mention Spengler testing high for intelligence and noted he came to prison with no other crimes on his record, had only dabbled in drug use and had a spotty work history, mostly as a house painter.

On the day of the killing, he said, he planned to nail shut a basement door to prevent his grandmother from going down and endangering herself. But he said she attacked him, inadvertently kneed him in the groin, and he hit her with the hammer.

"So why do you think you killed her?" Spengler was asked in 1989.

"I still haven't figured that out. It was matter of just wanting to get out. She was between me and the door," he replied.

"She was just a little, bitty old lady," a board member commented.

"I realize that. That's why I still can't explain it," Spengler said.
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#2
Yeah...I posted this in the original thread, along with a picture if the woman.
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You should have posted a link. Mockers need links now.

Pointing it out in a separate post is almost as good, though.
(03-15-2013, 07:12 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: You see Duchess, I have set up a thread to discuss something and this troll is behaving just like Riotgear did.
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I saw this article in the original thread.

The fact that Nguyen is being charged and could do some hard time for putting guns in the hands of Spengler (and that her arrest is being widely publicized) is a very good thing.

I think that LE/FBI spokespersons should capitalize on the exposure of the recent shootings to further publicly hammer the point that if anyone provides full access or purchases any weapons for someone else that they're putting their freedom in that someone else's hands - no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Make an example of Nguyen; she played no small part in the death of two fire fighters - fuck her. (If Nancy Lanza was alive, I'd feel the same about her.)

Cracking down hard on straw purchasers and irresponsible gun owners is a means of gun control that I can get behind 100%, without qualm.

RIP volunteer fire fighters Michael Chiapperini, 43, and Tomasz Kaczowka, 19. Hoping that their colleagues Theodore Scardino and Joseph Hofstetter remain in stable condition and recover fully.
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(12-29-2012, 12:23 PM)QueenBee Wrote: Yeah...I posted this in the original thread, along with a picture if the woman.

Sorry QB, I did not catch that this morning.
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(12-29-2012, 04:33 PM)Cracker Wrote: You should have posted a link. Mockers need links now.

Pointing it out in a separate post is almost as good, though.

hah

You're such a bitch. I like it.
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#7
We live in a sick society that has jumped the shark. This woman will get more time in prison for signing a document which had a clause that the gun must be for her own use than this murdering bastard got for beating his grandmother to death with a hammer.

This guy should have been smoked for the protection of society. He would never have terrorized his family murdered his sister and killed the fireman in a healthy society. We simply don't restrain the violent and murderous among us but instead the courts turn them free and use the prisons for other purposes. Most cold blooded murderers should be executed within days of their crime. Once the facts are established and extenuating circumstances are investigated they should be taken away permanently so they can't hurt anyone again. This goes on and on and on. Then to try to stop the destruction caused by the sick and crazy they restrict individual rights. They wouldn't need a damn form to say guns are purchased for your own use if they got rid of the low lifes or at least locked them up permanently. Whatever happened to the concept that once a criminal paid his debt to society that he was again a citizen? I'll tell you, it went away when they invented the revolving door justice system and criminals were free to come and go as they please.

This system was invented for the status quo and because the rights of a few were being trampled by being unfairly imprisoned in looney bins. Rather than address the problems they turned them all loose. If someone won't take his medication he should have to report each day to a fascility that assures he gets the meds. If they can't function or live by the rules they need to be under lock and key. Most of them deserve decent accomodations in a medical fascility rather than in prisons where many end up until a judge orders prisoners released due to overcrowding. Then they're right back out killing people and making our society a dangerous place. Worse than the danger they pose is the laws they inspire to further restrict rights.

The politicians who cause this bloodshed are never held accountable. The number one cause of the mess we're in is bleeding hearts and soon enough the leading cause of death will be bleeding hearts.
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(12-29-2012, 07:48 PM)username Wrote: You're such a bitch.

I don't think my post is nearly as bitchy as telling someone you already posted something. Apparently they didn't see it because they don't hang on your every word.

Most of you repeat each other all fucking day long. I don't see anyone pointing that shit out. Okay, besides me.

Plus, the newspaper already posted that shit if anyone really wanted to read it.

Maybe it should just be all links, all the time.
(03-15-2013, 07:12 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: You see Duchess, I have set up a thread to discuss something and this troll is behaving just like Riotgear did.
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(12-29-2012, 09:42 PM)Cracker Wrote:
(12-29-2012, 07:48 PM)username Wrote: You're such a bitch.

Apparently they didn't see it because they don't hang on your every word.

I hate it when that happens. *snort*
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