01-15-2022, 11:11 PM
(01-15-2022, 07:17 PM)rothschild Wrote: [ -> ](01-15-2022, 07:11 PM)MirahM Wrote: [ -> ]You are exhausting.
I'm just getting warmed up.
Indeed. I just realized who you remind me of....Oswald.
https://youtu.be/ruRYa5KLVNU
(01-15-2022, 07:17 PM)rothschild Wrote: [ -> ](01-15-2022, 07:11 PM)MirahM Wrote: [ -> ]You are exhausting.
I'm just getting warmed up.
(01-15-2022, 11:11 PM)Clang McFly Wrote: [ -> ](01-15-2022, 07:17 PM)rothschild Wrote: [ -> ](01-15-2022, 07:11 PM)MirahM Wrote: [ -> ]You are exhausting.
I'm just getting warmed up.
Indeed. I just realized who you remind me of....Oswald.
https://youtu.be/ruRYa5KLVNU
(01-15-2022, 06:53 PM)rothschild Wrote: [ -> ]Stop making shit up. I said “assholes who act unreasonably”. I’m pretty sure the confederate flag carrying pricks who chased him were assholes to begin with (nobody I’d want to hang with) but their unreasonable actions are what landed them in jail.(01-15-2022, 06:07 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]Without going through the exact wording there’s the “reasonable person” expectation:
“All members of the community owe a duty to act as a reasonable person in undertaking or avoiding actions with the risk to harm others”.
Georgia has changed its citizen arrest law but there will always be assholes who act unreasonably and then look for the loopholes in the laws. Glad they didn’t skate.
Someone who doesn't bend over backwards for criminals is an "asshole"? Really?
Your homey was on parole when he was trespassing, and was shot as he attempted to grab McMichael's firearm.
If you were consistent you'd be working to legalize trespassing, because it's "harmless", right?
(01-16-2022, 02:22 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ](01-15-2022, 06:53 PM)rothschild Wrote: [ -> ]Stop making shit up. I said “assholes who act unreasonably”. I’m pretty sure the confederate flag carrying pricks who chased him were assholes to begin with (nobody I’d want to hang with) but their unreasonable actions are what landed them in jail.(01-15-2022, 06:07 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]Without going through the exact wording there’s the “reasonable person” expectation:
“All members of the community owe a duty to act as a reasonable person in undertaking or avoiding actions with the risk to harm others”.
Georgia has changed its citizen arrest law but there will always be assholes who act unreasonably and then look for the loopholes in the laws. Glad they didn’t skate.
Someone who doesn't bend over backwards for criminals is an "asshole"? Really?
Your homey was on parole when he was trespassing, and was shot as he attempted to grab McMichael's firearm.
If you were consistent you'd be working to legalize trespassing, because it's "harmless", right?
After chasing him for so many minutes they basically cut him off and cornered him. Why wouldn’t he try to grab the firearm? Did he not have the right to defend himself? Hmmm, because he was black and jogging? IIRC the defendants didn’t bring up the citizens arrest claim until weeks if not months after the event.
(01-16-2022, 04:44 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]People in America can't just arm themselves like they are in a damn posse and hunt down someone they think perpetrated something. They were the aggressor.
(01-16-2022, 05:05 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]I would think that ALL people would have wanted it changed to reflect society and not just those with liberal politics.
(01-16-2022, 04:29 PM)rothschild Wrote: [ -> ]There ya’ go again, putting words in my mouth. Plus taking a hard ride down your own made up slippery slope. I didn’t say trespassing should be made legal and I certainly didn’t suggest intruders should be invited into one’s home. You’re desperately reaching ya’ cuntservative redneck. I have no problem with people REASONABLY defending themselves or their property. Or intervening if they witness a crime. This case wasn’t that (regardless of what you think about Aubrey’s criminal history). There was much about the defendant’s racist histories that wasn’t allowed in trial. The jury found them guilty despite the fact that the prosecution didn’t spend more than a moment talking about race in closing arguments.(01-16-2022, 02:22 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ](01-15-2022, 06:53 PM)rothschild Wrote: [ -> ]Stop making shit up. I said “assholes who act unreasonably”. I’m pretty sure the confederate flag carrying pricks who chased him were assholes to begin with (nobody I’d want to hang with) but their unreasonable actions are what landed them in jail.(01-15-2022, 06:07 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]Without going through the exact wording there’s the “reasonable person” expectation:
“All members of the community owe a duty to act as a reasonable person in undertaking or avoiding actions with the risk to harm others”.
Georgia has changed its citizen arrest law but there will always be assholes who act unreasonably and then look for the loopholes in the laws. Glad they didn’t skate.
Someone who doesn't bend over backwards for criminals is an "asshole"? Really?
Your homey was on parole when he was trespassing, and was shot as he attempted to grab McMichael's firearm.
If you were consistent you'd be working to legalize trespassing, because it's "harmless", right?
After chasing him for so many minutes they basically cut him off and cornered him. Why wouldn’t he try to grab the firearm? Did he not have the right to defend himself? Hmmm, because he was black and jogging? IIRC the defendants didn’t bring up the citizens arrest claim until weeks if not months after the event.
Maybe they all got what they deserved, which was my takeaway from the Trayvon Martin incident. As for citizen arrests, that was referenced in the initial prosecutors report, which I posted a link to.
But hey, libcunt commando, let's not stop at legalizing trespassing, let's end the racist criminalization of breaking and entering. People who break into your home aren't criminals, they're human beings coming to visit you, and you should show them the same courtesy you extend to friends and family. So stop locking your doors and windows, because that's racist!
(01-16-2022, 06:58 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ](01-16-2022, 04:29 PM)rothschild Wrote: [ -> ]There ya’ go again, putting words in my mouth. Plus taking a hard ride down your own made up slippery slope. I didn’t say trespassing should be made legal and I certainly didn’t suggest intruders should be invited into one’s home. You’re desperately reaching ya’ cuntservative redneck. I have no problem with people REASONABLY defending themselves or their property. Or intervening if they witness a crime. This case wasn’t that (regardless of what you think about Aubrey’s criminal history). There was much about the defendant’s racist histories that wasn’t allowed in trial. The jury found them guilty despite the fact that the prosecution didn’t spend more than a moment talking about race in closing arguments.(01-16-2022, 02:22 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ](01-15-2022, 06:53 PM)rothschild Wrote: [ -> ]Stop making shit up. I said “assholes who act unreasonably”. I’m pretty sure the confederate flag carrying pricks who chased him were assholes to begin with (nobody I’d want to hang with) but their unreasonable actions are what landed them in jail.(01-15-2022, 06:07 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]Without going through the exact wording there’s the “reasonable person” expectation:
“All members of the community owe a duty to act as a reasonable person in undertaking or avoiding actions with the risk to harm others”.
Georgia has changed its citizen arrest law but there will always be assholes who act unreasonably and then look for the loopholes in the laws. Glad they didn’t skate.
Someone who doesn't bend over backwards for criminals is an "asshole"? Really?
Your homey was on parole when he was trespassing, and was shot as he attempted to grab McMichael's firearm.
If you were consistent you'd be working to legalize trespassing, because it's "harmless", right?
After chasing him for so many minutes they basically cut him off and cornered him. Why wouldn’t he try to grab the firearm? Did he not have the right to defend himself? Hmmm, because he was black and jogging? IIRC the defendants didn’t bring up the citizens arrest claim until weeks if not months after the event.
Maybe they all got what they deserved, which was my takeaway from the Trayvon Martin incident. As for citizen arrests, that was referenced in the initial prosecutors report, which I posted a link to.
But hey, libcunt commando, let's not stop at legalizing trespassing, let's end the racist criminalization of breaking and entering. People who break into your home aren't criminals, they're human beings coming to visit you, and you should show them the same courtesy you extend to friends and family. So stop locking your doors and windows, because that's racist!
(01-16-2022, 09:50 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]I’m an independent which is something you might not comprehend. Neither a liberal or conservative (so fuck you for trying to pigeonhole my opinions on this specific case).
Their claims under the former citizens arrest law and self defense didn’t hold up. They hadn’t witnessed any crime and they were the aggressors. If you think you can find some excuse for what they did in nit picking the legalese, good for you but I’m pleased justice isn’t always blind.
I didn’t know you were so obtuse.
(01-16-2022, 11:13 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]But tell me how exactly they attempted to carry out a legal citizens arrest?
When Can a Private Citizen Make an Arrest?
Most states authorize private citizens to make arrests if the suspect:
has actually committed a felony, or
is committing a breach-of-the-peace misdemeanor in the presence of the citizen. Whether a misdemeanor breaches the peace is typically a case-by-case determination—for example, illegally carrying a firearm might qualify. (But it's generally not a good idea to try to personally arrest someone carrying a gun!)
While state laws vary, many states require the citizen to turn over the suspect to the police without delay. (The citizen cannot take justice into his or her own hands.)
Not the best quote I could find but they didn’t do that. Their actions were unreasonable.
Quote:Police records show one report of theft in the neighbourhood between 1 January and 23 February 2020, US media report. That incident involved Travis McMichael's pistol going missing from the family's unlocked pickup truck on 1 January.
(01-16-2022, 11:30 PM)rothschild Wrote: [ -> ](01-16-2022, 11:13 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]But tell me how exactly they attempted to carry out a legal citizens arrest?
When Can a Private Citizen Make an Arrest?
Most states authorize private citizens to make arrests if the suspect:
has actually committed a felony, or
is committing a breach-of-the-peace misdemeanor in the presence of the citizen. Whether a misdemeanor breaches the peace is typically a case-by-case determination—for example, illegally carrying a firearm might qualify. (But it's generally not a good idea to try to personally arrest someone carrying a gun!)
While state laws vary, many states require the citizen to turn over the suspect to the police without delay. (The citizen cannot take justice into his or her own hands.)
Not the best quote I could find but they didn’t do that. Their actions were unreasonable.
Here's the initial prosecutor's report. Worth a read, IMO.
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/...d/full.pdf
Here's the Georgia statute re citizen arrests:
A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
It dates back to the Civil War, and was definitely in need of updating, being very broad and ambiguous.
(01-17-2022, 05:50 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ](01-16-2022, 11:30 PM)rothschild Wrote: [ -> ](01-16-2022, 11:13 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]But tell me how exactly they attempted to carry out a legal citizens arrest?
When Can a Private Citizen Make an Arrest?
Most states authorize private citizens to make arrests if the suspect:
has actually committed a felony, or
is committing a breach-of-the-peace misdemeanor in the presence of the citizen. Whether a misdemeanor breaches the peace is typically a case-by-case determination—for example, illegally carrying a firearm might qualify. (But it's generally not a good idea to try to personally arrest someone carrying a gun!)
While state laws vary, many states require the citizen to turn over the suspect to the police without delay. (The citizen cannot take justice into his or her own hands.)
Not the best quote I could find but they didn’t do that. Their actions were unreasonable.
Here's the initial prosecutor's report. Worth a read, IMO.
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/...d/full.pdf
Here's the Georgia statute re citizen arrests:
A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
It dates back to the Civil War, and was definitely in need of updating, being very broad and ambiguous.
Yeah not too impressed with the initial prosecutor’s report. Of course they were going to write a CYA narrative that supported their decision not to charge.
And when you say the law was not only dated but “ambiguous” you’re just confirming that it was open to some interpretation. Ergo, the jury interpreted it and probably factored in the reasonable person expectation. Rightfully so.