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What is incendiary is this judge and his ruling.




Public school officials in Morgan Hill, Calif., did not violate the First Amendment rights of students by prohibiting them from wearing American flag T-shirts on the Mexican holiday of Cinco de Mayo (May 5), a federal judge has ruled.

In May 2010, an assistant principal at Live Oak High School ordered several students to remove their T-shirts emblazoned with the American flag, calling them “incendiary.” In June 2010, three students — known in court papers as M.D., D.M. and D.G.— sued in federal court, alleging a violation of their constitutional rights — including the right of free speech under the First Amendment.

On Nov. 8, U.S. District Judge James Ware granted summary judgment to the school defendants, ruling against the students in Dariano v. Morgan Hill Unified School District. The students’ attorneys vowed to appeal.

Yeah, the judge said that the school was acting within its rights to protect the safety of the students.

I've got mixed feelings on this one. I think those students should be able to wear flag shirts but I can see it leading to fights so I understand the school's reluctance to allow it.

IDK. Let them wear the shirts, supervise them well at school and make sure they're off campus when the fists start flying.

(11-13-2011, 07:04 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, the judge said that the school was acting within its rights to protect the safety of the students.

I've got mixed feelings on this one. I think those students should be able to wear flag shirts but I can see it leading to fights so I understand the school's reluctance to allow it.

IDK. Let them wear the shirts, supervise them well at school and make sure they're off campus when the fists start flying.

Don't you think that banning the celebration of foreign holidays would have had the same result as banning the American flag?

I mean what the hell?

(11-13-2011, 07:11 PM)IMaDick Wrote: [ -> ]Don't you think that banning the celebration of foreign holidays would have had the same result as banning the American flag?

I mean what the hell?

Works for me but the schools around here don't "celebrate" Cinco de Mayo (that I know of) but the kids all know what day it is. All the Mexican restaurants and the media make sure of that.

I think if the parents know the risk (that some Hispanic kid inside or outside of school might try to pummel Junior for wearing an American flag that day), then have at it.

On the flip side though, a lot of schools ban the kids from wearing gang colors too (or shirts with inflammatory messages on them)...for safety's sake. This isn't terribly different.

Like I said, mixed feelings.

And like I said, Americans have the right to fly their flag ²⁴⁄₇ 365 days a year where ever they are in this country.

Did the school take down their flag that day?

(11-13-2011, 09:08 PM)IMaDick Wrote: [ -> ]And like I said, Americans have the right to fly their flag ²⁴⁄₇ 365 days a year where ever they are in this country.

Did the school take down their flag that day?

If you want to cite freedom of speech, why AREN'T kids allowed to wear gang colors in school? Should kids be able to wear shirts that say "hang a nigger" or something to school?

Are you saying because the school still raised an American flag, the students should be able to wear a flag? Are you unable to see the difference?

The flag contains red. Ergo, students should be able to wear red bandanas?

The flag isn't above the law. If the law allows schools to restrict what clothing kids wear in the interests of safety, the American flag is subject to restriction as well.

Thanks Dick. I don't have mixed feelings anymore.

(11-13-2011, 09:29 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-13-2011, 09:08 PM)IMaDick Wrote: [ -> ]And like I said, Americans have the right to fly their flag ²⁴⁄₇ 365 days a year where ever they are in this country.

Did the school take down their flag that day?

If you want to cite freedom of speech, why AREN'T kids allowed to wear gang colors in school? Should kids be able to wear shirts that say "hang a nigger" or something to school?

Are you saying because the school still raised an American flag, the students should be able to wear a flag? Are you unable to see the difference?

The flag contains red. Ergo, students should be able to wear red bandanas?

The flag isn't above the law. If the law allows schools to restrict what clothing kids wear in the interests of safety, the American flag is subject to restriction as well.

Thanks Dick. I don't have mixed feelings anymore.

What I'm saying is you have stretched beyond the story, were not talking about gang colors or tee shirts with racial epitaph's on them, were talking about the American flag.

were talking about something that is on every LE officers uniform, something that flies at every school and courthouse in this country, the symbol which stands behind the President of the United States whenever he speaks.

Thanks Username, I never did have mixed feelings about, I'm sorry that you did though, it's sad.

(11-13-2011, 09:29 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]Should kids be able to wear shirts that say "hang a nigger" or something to school?

Yes.

(11-13-2011, 09:36 PM)IMaDick Wrote: [ -> ]What I'm saying is you have stretched beyond the story, were not talking about gang colors or tee shirts with racial epitaph's on them, were talking about the American flag.

The American flag is not sacrosanct.

I'm sure to skinheads the swastika is symbolic. Should they be able to wear swastikas in the schools?

You're either for free speech (in its entirety) or you respect the schools' right to limit what students wear if they think it will be inflammatory and cause safety issues in the schools.

(11-13-2011, 10:16 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]Should they be able to wear swastikas in the schools?

Yes.

(11-13-2011, 10:18 PM)Cracker Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-13-2011, 10:16 PM)username Wrote: [ -> ]Should they be able to wear swastikas in the schools?

Yes.

With a school uniform none of this is a problem.

Therein lies the problems with our children. We don't want to restrict their "voice" yet we get offended easily. Children's lives should be that of restriction and not freedom. It is a basic tenet of discipline. Discipline is not the enemy of enthusiasm or learning rather it is an enabler of both.

I find it funny that Cinco de Mayo was mentioned. Our schools erroneously teach that Cinco de Mayo is the Mexican Independence Day. It actually is not and the day isn't even celebrated in Mexico. It's just another way our schools are failing the students. The holiday would be long forgotten if it wasn't for Jose Cuervo trying to sell more tequila.

I could go for uniforms as long as the American flag is on the sleeve.