(02-08-2011, 03:26 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Yes, she was indeed composed. I had expected someone so different.
She is attractive, has good grasp of the English language and looks
like Sarah Palin. Not being able to look into the camera was a tad
unusual, but her eyes could have hurt from the tv lights.

A good grasp of the English language?!

You have a great aspect on this story. Thank you for your words, and you are most likely right about alot of it.

(02-08-2011, 07:13 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: After Johnny's parents forced entry into the home, does anyone believe that the scene was, uhhh . . . sanitized . . . before LE arrived?

I never thought about that, that is a good point. The people could have swiped one or two bags, to protect the son's image, and that would be a game changer.

I don't think that was the case, and if it was they would have admitted it to authorities as the case continues to grow colder. I, however, believe the exact opposite occurred and the scene was contaminated by a flood of people rushing into the house, some of which might be suspects.

(02-08-2011, 07:12 PM)Brneyegrl Wrote: [quote='Methusala' pid='125263' dateline='1297204551']
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Your very right it was very bad but it does not mean he was the worst person in the world. He or his GF did not deserve anything like that to be done. What you consider a bad seed someone may not at 18 he was still a boy maybe hanging around the wrong person or people you don't just write someone off for that. If you have not noticed this is 2011 bringing a girl home late at 18 is void now these kids are into bigger and worst things.

With all due respect, you are grossly exaggerating the critical comments made here. No one is saying JC was "the worst person in the world;" no one has written him off; no one has said or suggested that he deserved to die.

JC's lifestyle is relevant to the question of what sort of persons he associated with who might be suspects, and to what the motive for the crime may have been. That's the relevance, plain and simple.

His lifestyle is irrelevant to whether he deserved to be tortured and murdered, and I haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise.

Have I missed a comment saying he deserved to die because of his prison record?

(02-08-2011, 04:12 PM)WhoDat Wrote: I would like to give my opinion on the bags and tape theory if you don't mind. I do not believe they just happend to find the bags and duct tape in the Straubs home. If these people came into the home to a)teach them a lesson for not paying a debt (one possibility) b) find some drugs or money they think is stashed in the house or C) get confidential information that is in the house (other possibilities I have seen mentioned) they would not be lucky enough to just go right to the bags and duct tape. I mean seriously you would have to look through several drawers and cabinets in my house before you find duct tape if I even have any which I usually dont. I keep duct tape in my shed so these people would have been SOL at my house. They brought the bags and duct tape to the house with intentions on doing this as a premeditated murder. IMO (by the way my husband is a detective and we discussed this last night if that counts for anything)

I'm sort of inclined to agree with this. I think the intruders intended to kill them from the inception of their plan. If you intend to kill someone you're going to come with your weapon of choice.

(02-08-2011, 04:14 PM)InterestingEnough Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 03:21 PM)netsleuth Wrote: My stay was short. Here's why.

http://mockforums.net/post-125150.html#pid125150

Here's hoping we'll see justice for Lisa and Johnny, soon.

Cheers.

I am sorry that you have allowed someone's comments, particularly on a forum that explicitly caters and encourages absolute free speech with few exceptions, to cause you to retreat. Unless you live in a box, the world is full of "Crackers" that crave attention and seek the "Wow" factor and we can't crawl under a rock everytime we come into contact with them. You have just been defeated; you lose, he wins. Game over.

Precisely. And, if one engages in a thread where they encounter a viewpoint they disagree with, the beauty of free speech, as our founders intended, is that one challenges those ideas through debate. I find it ironic that the poster who flounced would cite the first amendment when using the speech of another as their reason for leaving the forum.

I'd hate to be the retailer with my name on those plastic bags!

(02-08-2011, 10:58 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: I don't think JC's mother should be laying the blame at Lisa's feet. Look we all pretty much know what was going on there, someone was selling drugs - baggies, scales... Lisa and Johnny were having people coming and going, dropping by playing pool, hanging out, usual young adult stuff when they have a whole house to themselves without the worry of parents popping in, so what happened? I say ask Tiffany not Johnny's mother (even if she knew where the key was, so what? Apparently a lot of people probably knew where that key was, wanna bet? Nobody answered me, but I found it on the transcripts on NG, it was Johnny's father that said: "they planned it. They planned it because they went to that house with tape and bags. I hope and pray the cops find them before I do!" So, the killers brought the plastic bags and duct tape with them! Whoever did this they premeditated what they were going to do. I also heard another version of what Johnny said before he dropped the phone and I believe it was the mother who said it on the Today Show with Meredith Vieira: Johnny's mother said Johnny said something like "Hey bro, what are you doing here, what do you want and then who are you? that tells me he recognized one of the killers, wondered why he was there and who was the "stranger" he brought with him and what did they want? I could be wrong but when I heard the mother say that,, and they always say that "the devil is in the details" ...One of the killers was known to both of them and Tiffany knows who that is, that's what I believe...and they went there to murder this couple and look for some stash of drugs that they believed was there...JMO

well put! i so agree with you.

Another thing that seems strange to me is the claim that Mother's "intuition" told her that something was wrong.

If someone calls you and tells you that TWO HOURS AND TWENTY MINUTES AGO your son was heard shouting that he was encountering unknown persons having intruded into the house, and the informant hasn't been able to reach him since, you don't need "intuition" to know that something terribly wrong may have occurred.

Why call this intuition?

in·tu·i·tion   
[in-too-ish-uhn, -tyoo-]
–noun
1. direct perception of truth, fact, etc., independent of any reasoning process; immediate apprehension.
2. a fact, truth, etc., perceived in this way.
3. a keen and quick insight.
4. the quality or ability of having such direct perception or quick insight.

(02-08-2011, 11:07 AM)fabulous Wrote: oh and one more thought....does anyone out there reading this know, or have any idea, as to what the relationship was between the Clarke's and the Straub's ??

i would bet there was no relationship.jmo

(02-08-2011, 07:47 PM)Methusala Wrote: Another thing that seems strange to me is the claim that Mother's "intuition" told her that something was wrong.

If someone calls you and tells you that TWO HOURS AND TWENTY MINUTES AGO your son was heard shouting that he was encountering unknown persons having intruded into the house, and the informant hasn't been able to reach him since, you don't need "intuition" to know that something terribly wrong may have occurred.

Why call this intuition?

It's intuition because she is a psychic... good way to promote the business

(02-08-2011, 07:35 PM)Methusala Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 07:12 PM)Brneyegrl Wrote: [quote='Methusala' pid='125263' dateline='1297204551']
[quote='Brneyegrl' pid='125254' dateline='1297203566']
[quote='BlueTiki' pid='125251' dateline='1297202526']
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Your very right it was very bad but it does not mean he was the worst person in the world. He or his GF did not deserve anything like that to be done. What you consider a bad seed someone may not at 18 he was still a boy maybe hanging around the wrong person or people you don't just write someone off for that. If you have not noticed this is 2011 bringing a girl home late at 18 is void now these kids are into bigger and worst things.

With all due respect, you are grossly exaggerating the critical comments made here. No one is saying JC was "the worst person in the world;" no one has written him off; no one has said or suggested that he deserved to die.

JC's lifestyle is relevant to the question of what sort of persons he associated with who might be suspects, and to what the motive for the crime may have been. That's the relevance, plain and simple.

His lifestyle is irrelevant to whether he deserved to be tortured and murdered, and I haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise.

Have I missed a comment saying he deserved to die because of his prison record?

I think you are misunderstood you are making it seem as if because he has a record someone like LS should not have anything to do with him. No hard feelings it is a forum right these are just my opinions and its as if some people (not saying you) live in a box this is 2011 the times have changed it is so sad and I wish it was different but true.

(02-08-2011, 04:23 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i'll be away for a few hours, but want to say nobody with murder in mind goes to a house 'armed' with plastic bags. you can't predict how that will work on 2 struggling victims.

you want to kill? then you come armed. this was not planned. it was a spontaneous event that evolved from a personal problem.

LC, I agree that this method of murder is far out but think of the times when cops find stuff like tape, rope, handcuffs, etc, in the cars of killers. Some psychos have unusual preferences.

If you got into a fight with someone, while robbing them, wouldn't you reach for something more handy, say, like a lamp cord or a kitchen knife? This taping people up thing, with bags over their heads, sounds like a lot of work and not very spontaneous.

(02-08-2011, 07:07 PM)jash Wrote: Have been reading with interest all the comments and information going back and forth.
Maytee is known as a "psychic" or holistic healer around town from what I understand, and I agree with the majority that she is a total whack job. What the hell is wrong with her? This doesn't stem completely from her son's death, look at her OWN criminal record for Gods sake. Then look at Johnny's dad's record. Johnny grew up with volatile, voilent, law breaking parents but mom says "my son didn't have any enemies? It's basically all Lisa's fault". Disgusts me that mom is whoring the story around and each time she tells it, it changes and Lisa becomes the bad guy. She needs to stop shooting her mouth off asap IMO and show Lisa's family a bit of class that they too...lost a child.
Our honorable Denise Dartt let Johnny boy out of prison early from his sentence, and to be sentenced to only 3 years for 2 seperate incidences of armed robbery is a travesty in of itself.
I agree with LadyCop that this was PERSONAL and that they didn't go there with bags. For all we know, one of the lowlifes could have said he saw it on TV or in a movie...lets do it! After they had subdued them. I totally agree that it evolved from something personal and is NO WAY a random home invasion.
My nephew went to Springfield High with Lisa and said she was a known drug abuser, so I would imagine that she wasn't exactly hanging out with a good crowd herself. he also said that her ex-boyfriend is a "psycho" and amongst his friends, they consider him a viable suspect cuz he was a lunatic. (His words, not mine)
I also think Tiffany is definitely involved and needs to be interrogated until she completely cracks, and unfortunately, I do not have a good deal of faith in our Sheriff's dept, OR the investigator in charge (whole other story!). The fact that they have put up a 5K reward smacks of them maybe not knowing what they are doing cuz this sure as shit, brought all the "gangsta" folks running to the dept to muddy the waters with bogus info just to get the dough.
The Toledo Blade has completely SUCKED on coverage of this crime, why? I'm not sure...but they barely have anything to say about it at all. John Block (owner of the Blade) is notorious for picking and choosing what is covered in the Blade and for the last year at least, he's been obsessed with stories about dogs!
No one deserves to die as they did..but I'm sorry, you live by the sword and you die by the sword. When drugs, gangstas, armed robbers, convicted felons, etc. are a part of your everyday world, bad shit is eventually going to happen to you.
Has it been released anywhere that there were signs of struggle? If Lisa had been sexually assaulted? Particularly since her legs were not taped together...
Her ex could still be a viable suspect, but I'm more prone to believe that Miss T and the crew she hung with are ass deep in this.

I like you, very well said

When the fuck will we know what happen with the dna and shit....OMG its irritating, ive had to pull myself away from this. Had to discipline myself to not read after 7PM because it keeps me up! damn it! I pray this doesnt turn into a cold case:(

(02-08-2011, 01:05 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: and her


Case Number Defendant Date of Birth Charge
CRA-01-03305-0101 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 BREAKING & ENTERING TO COMMIT THEFT OR FELONY TRESPASS UNOCCUPIED STRUCTURE BY FORCE
CRA-01-03306-0101 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 BREAKING & ENTERING TO COMMIT THEFT OR FELONY TRESPASS UNOCCUPIED STRUCTURE BY FORCE
CRA-99-01028-0101 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPONS
CRB-90-14387-0101 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 CRIMINAL DAMAGING/ENDANGERING
CRB-93-11364-0101 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 MENACING
CRB-98-02748-0101 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
CRB-98-04269-0101 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 PASSING BAD CHECKS
CRB-98-05011-0101 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 DOMESTIC VIOL;CAUSE FAMILY MEMBER TO BELIEVE OFFENDER WILL CAUSE IMMINENT PHYSICAL HARM
CRB-99-01029-0104 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 FALSE INFORMATION TO A POLICE OFFICER ISSUING TICKET
CRB-99-01029-0204 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 DRUG ABUSE;CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE POSS/USE
CRB-99-01029-0304 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 DRUG PARA;POSSESS WITH INTENT TO USE
CRB-99-01029-0404 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 DRUG ABUSE;CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE POSS/USE
CRB-99-12797-0105 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 DRUG PARA;POSSESS WITH INTENT TO USE
CRB-99-12797-0205 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 RESISTING ARREST;RESISTING/INTERFERING
CRB-99-12797-0305 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 OBSTRUCTING OFFICIAL BUSINESS
CRB-99-12797-0405 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 OBSTRUCTING OFFICIAL BUSINESS
CRB-99-12797-0505 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 DRUG ABUSE;CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE POSS/USE
TRD-91-14474-0101 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 FLASHING TRAFFIC SIGNALS
TRD-94-23495-0102 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 LICENSE REQ;DRIVER/CHAUFFEUR amended from DRIVING UNDER SUSPENSION,REVOC/RESTRICT
TRD-94-23495-0202 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 TRAFFIC CONTROL SIGNAL TERMS & LIGHTS
TRD-94-26021-0101 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 OPEN CONTAINER PROHIBITED
TRD-98-02566-0102 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 LIC REQUIRED;DRIVING DURING SUSPENSION
TRD-98-02566-0202 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 SPEED:EXCEED ERECTED SIGN LIMIT
TRD-98-10366-0103 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 FAILURE TO STOP AFTER ACCIDENT ON STREET
TRD-98-10366-0203 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 ABILITY TO STOP IN ASSURED CLEAR DISTANC
TRD-98-10366-0303 CLARKE, MAYTEE 12/20/1970 TRAFFIC CTRL SIGNAL;NO TURN AGAINST RED

damn, LE got her on all that in one night? that was a real bad day for her.lol

(02-08-2011, 04:53 PM)WhoDat Wrote: Glad I can help you. I am picturing you as a huge fat ass with a milk jug sitting under your computer desk that you piss in because you do not want to step away from your computer.

WTF???

(02-08-2011, 07:51 PM)Brneyegrl Wrote: I think you are misunderstood you are making it seem as if because he has a record someone like LS should not have anything to do with him.

I believe you are looking for insults where none exist.

Examples and rationale were given as why Johnny might be labeled as a "Gangsta". You posed the question.

How you arrived at the conclusion that this has become a "Good Girl" v. "Bad Boy" commentary is beyond me.

(02-08-2011, 04:59 PM)Brneyegrl Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 04:30 PM)rotten_cotton Wrote: I have been reading on this forum for a few days now for any insight as to what actually happened that night. I grew up in this neighborhood and my parents still live there. Right around the corner from this house, actually. One thing that has stuck out in my mind is something I heard on the news the morning of the discovery and have been trying to find it somewhere in print. One of Lisa's friends said that Lisa had sent her a Facebook message that night saying that she wanted to see her.

This strikes me as very odd. It is almost as if she knew something was going to happen. Possibly someone threatened her? I tried to find the article on the Toledo Blade website but was only able to find a cached version, as it appears the original story has been removed.

I to have wondered about this, the girl said the message was sent at 130am if I remember correctly. Am I wrong? How is that possible or was it someone else trying to pose as Lisa?

Wow, that's very interesting. I wonder if it was the night of the murders or the night before (Sat/Sun or Sun/Mon).

(02-08-2011, 01:16 PM)Love Hippos Wrote: The JVM transcript (thanks Methusala for posting) states Johnny's mother told her husband, "You're going back through this house" once the cops leave. Maybe I'm nitpicking, but it implies they already had been in the home.

cops are not going to kick the door in with out cause, correct me if im wrong. they probably wouldnt let them either. so when they left, they kicked it in. jmo