(02-08-2011, 05:02 PM)BoogyWoogy Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 04:34 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Cotton:One of Lisa's friends said that Lisa had sent her a Facebook message that night saying that she wanted to see her.

This strikes me as very odd.

welcome to Mock
why is that odd? i don't find it odd.

well on the news her friend said lisa commented on her fb at 1 am,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,whats up with that,?? Toledo news 13 or 11

I read through many of the comments on her FB page and didn't see any from Lisa. I may have missed it because i just scanned, but I don't think so.

(02-08-2011, 08:02 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 04:53 PM)WhoDat Wrote: Glad I can help you. I am picturing you as a huge fat ass with a milk jug sitting under your computer desk that you piss in because you do not want to step away from your computer.

WTF???

WhoDat was bragging that she was catheterized and could move her feet freely.

BlueTiki.....U CRACK ME UP....LOL......Love ya

(02-08-2011, 05:45 PM)Brneyegrl Wrote: … this is 2011 the times have changed it is so sad and I wish it was different but true.

I agree with you. Otherwise, we would still be trying to decide if it was Col. Mustard with the Candlestick in the Library instead of conjecturing about a real life, horribly grotesque and sad double murder.

(02-08-2011, 08:09 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 05:02 PM)BoogyWoogy Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 04:34 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Cotton:One of Lisa's friends said that Lisa had sent her a Facebook message that night saying that she wanted to see her.

This strikes me as very odd.

welcome to Mock
why is that odd? i don't find it odd.

well on the news her friend said lisa commented on her fb at 1 am,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,whats up with that,?? Toledo news 13 or 11

I read through many of the comments on her FB page and didn't see any from Lisa. I may have missed it because i just scanned, but I don't think so.

Whose profile? If it is the same one I was referring to, it is private.

I have been following this thread for several days now and have been able to digest everything. I have a few concerns with this case, one being the police offer the award for tips. Does this mean the well has run dry or is it a smoke screen? # 2 is that JC's mom apparently did not start with a full deck and her son's untimely death has sent her over the deep end. I am not sure what happened in that home on that sunday night and will hold my opinion for a later time. I just hope to see answers sooner than later, both families deserve closure to this horrible crime, as do all of us. Keep up the good work Lady Cop I appreciate the forum and am checking it multiple times a day.

(02-08-2011, 05:30 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: There is very deliberate social engineering going on, in America, to lower the level of morals and intelligence in this country. It's been going on since LBJ's Great Society was implemented. A well known journalist called it a coursening of our society. Once again, this is DELIBERATE. Mediums like the arts are an important weapon, aimed at young people. The crap like MTV, VH1, and the agenda of multiculturalism all play a significant part in this war on American culture and values. The mainstreaming of the gangsta culture via music, especially, is extremely troubling. You may have noticed that Lisa and her sister, in some of the pics, are doing those stupid hand gestures. Of course, that originated with gangs. I think lots of parents have no clue how vile and corrupting these influences are. It's very insidious and has crept into the greater culture over generations. 30 years ago you would have NEVER seen girls like that associating with the likes of Tiffany and Johnny. Unfortunately, this cross-culture mixing is becoming more common. Unless a parent keeps their kid away from modern media, it's very hard to keep these influences from contaminating them. Even in places as far as Russia you see American gang banger culture in their music. It's really sickening. I could write a book on this but you get my drift.


indeed. as a cop of 20+ years i saw it too.

Check this out - while I was reading through some of the FB postings of Tiffany and friends, I saw where one the girls was attending school and majoring in [b]early childhood education[/b!!!. This is how the planned destruction of America takes place. People like these moronic sleaze bags are actually admitted to college and will go on to indoctrinate little kids in the New World Order mind control that has been tailor made to keep people stupid and controllable. Stupid teachers, stupid parents, stupid children, stupid America. That's the plan. One day this cretin who can't even type an intelligible Facebook message will be a member of the National Education Association and this idiot will be payed with tax dollars and have summers off.

Do I sound angry?

no it was a young lady on the 13 news saying she was a friend and lisa commented at 1 something,,, I will try to add the video

(02-08-2011, 05:31 PM)Brneyegrl Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 05:27 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 12:38 PM)Methusala Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 05:02 AM)shitstorm Wrote: I found this on Lisa's sisters' MySpace page:

Heroes

My li'l sis. She's a frickin awesome girl... I wish I was a little bit more like her; and she wishes she was a little bit more like me. ..

http://www.myspace.com/26344344

Reading her webpage is heartbreaking. The sister sounds like a normal, healthy-minded, intelligent young woman, from which I would guess that her younger sister Lisa was too.

Why in the world would kids like this want to associate with trashy "gangsta" characters like these others?

Yes, I think I know but it is still senseless and makes this even more tragic.

There is very deliberate social engineering going on, in America, to lower the level of morals and intelligence in this country. It's been going on since LBJ's Great Society was implemented. A well known journalist called it a coursening of our society. Once again, this is DELIBERATE. Mediums like the arts are an important weapon, aimed at young people. The crap like MTV, VH1, and the agenda of multiculturalism all play a significant part in this war on American culture and values. The mainstreaming of the gangsta culture via music, especially, is extremely troubling. You may have noticed that Lisa and her sister, in some of the pics, are doing those stupid hand gestures. Of course, that originated with gangs. I think lots of parents have no clue how vile and corrupting these influences are. It's very insidious and has crept into the greater culture over generations. 30 years ago you would have NEVER seen girls like that associating with the likes of Tiffany and Johnny. Unfortunately, this cross-culture mixing is becoming more common. Unless a parent keeps their kid away from modern media, it's very hard to keep these influences from contaminating them. Even in places as far as Russia you see American gang banger culture in their music. It's really sickening. I could write a book on this but you get my drift.

What makes Johnny GANSTA?

Oh, gosh, I don't know ... how about doing time in the big house for armed robbery and a body full of prison tats?

Look I'm not saying he wasn't charming, didn't have a great personality, sense of humor, etc. I'm talking about a CULTURE. Obviously, he had a dark side. Nice people don't partake in armed robbery. FACT.

we dont know the girl in the news name so not sure what fb you were on

Quote:It's intuition because she is a psychic... good way to promote

EXACTLY!

Also, to the poster that commented on Maytee's criminal record happening all on one night...that is her birthdate..not the dates of occurence

the vid is on post #4 watch it, listen to the girl and it has her name, not sure

(02-08-2011, 08:55 PM)BoogyWoogy Wrote: we dont know the girl in the news name so not sure what fb you were on

Is that directed towards me? Because the girls name IS in the newspaper and her profile is private.

(02-08-2011, 08:38 AM)Followingalong Wrote: I don't believe for one minute that this mother has ever been invited to the Straub's house...daughter's boyfriend's mother or not. The families do not run in the same circles and there is no way that she would have known specific details about a garage key unless she had been told about it.

SHE SAID ON TV THAT SHE "SAW THEM USE THE KEY MANY TIMES"

(02-08-2011, 06:19 PM)Brneyegrl Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 06:02 PM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 05:45 PM)Brneyegrl Wrote: I understand you were in LE but just because someone looks a way does not mean he was, maybe in the wrong things that caused him to go to jail but sorry for thinking this way in 2011 who has not broke a law in some sort maybe running a light.

Hmmmm . . . let's review:

Clarke was arrested, along with Daniel St. Clair and Quintwez Sanders, in 2007 for robbing two men at gunpoint in two separate incidents in Toledo when Clarke was 18.

In January, 2008, Clarke pleaded no contest to two reduced charges of robbery, a second-degree felony, and was sentenced to three years in prison by Judge Denise Dartt.

Since three individuals were involved, would you prefer the description of "Groupsta"?

Not sure what you call but not a gang, it was a group and one bad thing makes you a gangsta? Well Lisa popped pills supposably is she a drug addict? I would not go that far I am Just saying a little over the edge

The operative descriptor for me would be VIOLENCE, not necessarily being in a gang. It's behavior, lifestyle, and culture.

Lots of kids break the law. Smoking weed is a prefect example. They don't go out and commit armed robbery, though.

(02-08-2011, 06:25 PM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 06:16 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Her page mentions she's in college. There's a scary thought. I wonder if she writes her college papers in gansta text.

Yes . . . she does.

She's a language major.



Big Pimpin' fo' shizzle!

I about needed Rosetta Stone to decipher those FB postings, lol.

yes its priv, dang it, something is strange about that

(02-08-2011, 07:07 PM)jash Wrote: Have been reading with interest all the comments and information going back and forth.
Maytee is known as a "psychic" or holistic healer around town from what I understand, and I agree with the majority that she is a total whack job. What the hell is wrong with her? This doesn't stem completely from her son's death, look at her OWN criminal record for Gods sake. Then look at Johnny's dad's record. Johnny grew up with volatile, voilent, law breaking parents but mom says "my son didn't have any enemies? It's basically all Lisa's fault". Disgusts me that mom is whoring the story around and each time she tells it, it changes and Lisa becomes the bad guy. She needs to stop shooting her mouth off asap IMO and show Lisa's family a bit of class that they too...lost a child.
Our honorable Denise Dartt let Johnny boy out of prison early from his sentence, and to be sentenced to only 3 years for 2 seperate incidences of armed robbery is a travesty in of itself.
I agree with LadyCop that this was PERSONAL and that they didn't go there with bags. For all we know, one of the lowlifes could have said he saw it on TV or in a movie...lets do it! After they had subdued them. I totally agree that it evolved from something personal and is NO WAY a random home invasion.
My nephew went to Springfield High with Lisa and said she was a known drug abuser, so I would imagine that she wasn't exactly hanging out with a good crowd herself. he also said that her ex-boyfriend is a "psycho" and amongst his friends, they consider him a viable suspect cuz he was a lunatic. (His words, not mine)
I also think Tiffany is definitely involved and needs to be interrogated until she completely cracks, and unfortunately, I do not have a good deal of faith in our Sheriff's dept, OR the investigator in charge (whole other story!). The fact that they have put up a 5K reward smacks of them maybe not knowing what they are doing cuz this sure as shit, brought all the "gangsta" folks running to the dept to muddy the waters with bogus info just to get the dough.
The Toledo Blade has completely SUCKED on coverage of this crime, why? I'm not sure...but they barely have anything to say about it at all. John Block (owner of the Blade) is notorious for picking and choosing what is covered in the Blade and for the last year at least, he's been obsessed with stories about dogs!
No one deserves to die as they did..but I'm sorry, you live by the sword and you die by the sword. When drugs, gangstas, armed robbers, convicted felons, etc. are a part of your everyday world, bad shit is eventually going to happen to you.
Has it been released anywhere that there were signs of struggle? If Lisa had been sexually assaulted? Particularly since her legs were not taped together...
Her ex could still be a viable suspect, but I'm more prone to believe that Miss T and the crew she hung with are ass deep in this.

I'm really interested in her ex boyfriend, if these stories about him are accurate. Someone else mentioned him and said that he just got out of prison. Do you happen to know if this is true or can you get it confirmed? If it is true, then he's certainly another person of interest (from my POV, anyway - for all I know he lives in France :dunno.

Sounds like Lisa may have been a party animal. That's not the same league as an ex con, though. The former can be quite innocent and the latter very dangerous.

YES!!! JVM had many photos. Of mom and son.
I recall Casey in FLA's parents got hundreds of thousands of dollars for
the family photos.

Being a JVM fan, I thought Jane was quite 'gentle' with the mother.

(02-08-2011, 07:09 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 06:57 PM)LabRat Wrote: None of these people seem to be functioning members of society.

LabRat...I am afraid they are functioning members of society and thats what scares me.

The way our american culture has changed in the last 30 years is troubling. I agree with shitstorm and it bothers me. I look back on the movie "Grease" and see this dynamic being romanticized and fed to us as entertainment. The television code of ethics of the fifties, if anyone can remember, made it imperative that all bad deeds were met with justice by the end of show. I know that is unrealistic but the pendulum has swung too far the other way.

It all comes from the UK, from a place called Tavistock. They are the masters of social engineering and mind control. They're also hard core leftists/one world government/socialists. America's enemy is the same as it was during the revolution. May as well be Satan himself. It is THAT evil.