welcome CarrotJuice, thankyou for you thoughts here~~

(02-10-2011, 10:54 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote: I also want to add that the girl people are quoting today that said she had just seen Johnny hours before, went swimming with days before etc, was just with Tiffany. Tiffany posted pictures of her, this friend people are quoting & 2 males, 11 hours ago.

How do you know the girl in the photo, posted on T's wall, is the same girl who said these things?

Who is this girl? There's no caption under the photo.

The additional information from the uncle creates a whole new possible scenario, I agree.

If LS was still in her TGIF uniform, and if even the upstairs bedrooms were ransacked, it is entirely possible that the intruders were already in the home and had been through the house when JC and LS arrived; that JC may have been genuinely surprised and his reaction on the phone was as he and LS came into the house and found the intruders, not the other way around, in which case JC may not have been complicit after all.

Then the fight and struggle may have occurred.

It is unlikely that the intruders would have stayed around to search the upstairs after tying up and suffocating JC and LS. They would have wanted to get out of there.

This of course does not exclude the possibility that the intruders may have tried to force LS to reveal where more valuables could be accessed and found, before killing them and leaving.

Maybe it was expected that they would have gone to pick up Tiffany first, after leaving TGIF and before going home, which would have given the intruders more time at the house; and perhaps LS insisted on going home first to shower and change, which was not expected by whomever planned the robbery.

And the robbers may have let themselves in with the key. Maytee said she had watched it being removed and used many times. Who knows how many people had seen it used, especially if JC and LS had had others over on previous nights?

(02-10-2011, 02:38 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-10-2011, 10:54 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote: I also want to add that the girl people are quoting today that said she had just seen Johnny hours before, went swimming with days before etc, was just with Tiffany. Tiffany posted pictures of her, this friend people are quoting & 2 males, 11 hours ago.

How do you know the girl in the photo, posted on T's wall, is the same girl who said these things?

Who is this girl? There's no caption under the photo.

The girl in the photo commented under one of the photos. She said something like "Aww don't we look cute, meaning me & you Tiff" I clicked on that persons name which led me to her page which led me to all of the statuses that she posted that have been quoted here today.

(02-10-2011, 02:38 PM)Methusala Wrote: Maytee said she had watched it being removed and used many times.

Is it me or does Maytee seem like an obsessive son-stalker?

Carrot Juice: the "Z" has not been named because he is a minor.

Quote:does it say anywhere if any of JC's family were invited or went to the viewing for LS?

I know someone else posted, but there has been NO mention of Johnny or his family in anything the Straubs have said. They are definitely distancing themselves. Lisa's uncle said that it was a packed family and the people that were supposed to be there were there.

Also, I think the money was an afterthought...to make it LOOK like a robbery gone bad. I mean, they said nothing about Lisa's purse being missing, which I assume held all her tips for the night which could have easily surpassed the amount in the jar. These assholes went to kill them, the robbery itself was a "cover" for the murder...JMO of course.

John S. "Johnny" CLARKE
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CLARKE John S. "Johnny" John S. "Johnny" Clarke, 21, of Toledo, passed away on January 31, 2011. He was born April 15, 1989, to Maytee C. Vazquez Clarke and John P. Clarke, Jr. Johnny was sweet, loving and kind hearted. He loved life and was the life of the party. He entered Barber School to pursue his dream of owning his own business. Johnny had a smile that could light up a room. Known for his generosity and sense of humor. He loved weight lifting, sports and spending time with family and friends. He was a mama's boy, often saying "mom I love you more than anything". He is so loved and forever missed. Survived by his parents; brothers, Jovanny and Jacob; grandparents, Irma and Sergio Vazquez; aunt, Maggie (Joe) Cromer; cousins, Jazz, Lacey, Tali and many aunts, uncles, cousins and friends. He was preceded in death by his grandmother, Marylin DeFalco. Friends will be received at Blanchard - Strabler Funeral Home (1163 W. Sylvania at Lockwood, 419-269-1111) on Friday from 2-8 PM, where Services will be held on Saturday at 10 AM. Burial, Ottawa Hills Memorial Park. Memorials, in lieu of flowers, in Johnny's name may be directed to the Funeral Home for the care of his brothers and a Barber School Scholarship in Johnny's name. Online condolences: blanchardstrabler.com


Published in Toledo Blade from February 8 to February 9, 2011

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/toledob...=148456077

Just read this comment on "True Crime Web Page"....

chelebell said:
and the reason the parents knew so fast is because his mother received and phone call from him,and all she heard was her sons muffled voice saying mom...so when she tried to call him back...multiple times and could not get through they called the police that failed them 2 times before they decided to take matters into their own hands...and btw his voice was muffled due to the bag being over his head...i would have reacted the same way!!!

Posted 02/01/2011 at 09:38:50 PM

HAD ANYONE ELSE HEARD THIS?

(02-10-2011, 02:13 PM)CarrotJuice Wrote: Two points for you internet sleuths:

1. Right after the crime, 2 anonymous people claiming to know the victims posted this in a news story, concerning Lisa's ex-boyfriend. "FOR LOVE SICK PERSON" wrote: Yes, I'm not Perry Mason, but I would like to add the motive of a sick ex-idolator who had a crush on Lisa and both Johnny and her knew the guy was sick but just blew him off. The old sick adage if I can't have her, neither will you.

And was replied to with this, by user "musicfanatic": THANK U! i totally agree with you, this ex lover has physically assaulted lisa multiple times before, has been in and out of jail, and is a extremely violent person. 2 days after lisa changed her relationship status on fbook to "in a relationship" and changed her default pic, to what i'm assuming to be her current one of her and johnny, she is murdered. He has been 2 her house multiple times before so is familiar with the layout and not to mention he is mutual friends with her friends so makes it easier for him to get inside information about her where abouts. The motive is perfect, the classic "if i cant you nobody can" murder, the classic patttern of domestic violence. I feel the robbery was staged to throw authorities off. This murder was way to planned out, it was someone with a grudge, who was after blood.

These are of course anonymous, maybe useless, clues, but they should at least remind us not to forget there are other leads worth pursuing. The timing of the facebook status change and the fact that this unknown gentleman was the suspect who immediately came to Lisa's friends minds should at least create reasonable doubt in the Ms. T theory for the time being.
The article they're found in is here:
http://toledoblade.com/article/20110202/.../102020307

Holy Smoke! How did we miss or forget this? Hasn't anyone here in the forum come up with a way to get this ex-bf's name? I'm stumped by this element.

(02-10-2011, 02:29 PM)browntabby1226 Wrote: I listened to the 911 calls again and in # 2 she says a friend got a call from someone named Tiffany,doesn't sound like she knows her as a good friend of JC and LS to me. Wonder what that's about.

Ok. Maybe you can explain how the father ended up in the car with
Tiffany, going to Lisa's house, and why Mom 'trapped' her car in the
driveway when she arrived at Lisa's. All this is baffling to me.

Quote:Holy Smoke! How did we miss or forget this? Hasn't anyone here in the forum come up with a way to get this ex-bf's name?

I'm stumped by this element

I brought up the ex boyfriend before as a wild card that can't be dismissed cuz my nephew knows him...

Also, if LadyCOp is here or anyone in the know...I DO know Lisa's ex-boyfriends name, what he does for a living, who his family is here in town, and surprisingly....he JUST opened a FB account! Am I allowed to post that info or not?

And don't forget this definition.... been around for some time.....

home invasion

That's when you kick the door in and duct tap everyone in the house. you proceed to ask were you keep the doe. then pop shots till they snitch.
yo son we got on some straight up home invasion shit and robbed all them byrds.

(02-10-2011, 03:09 PM)jash Wrote:

Quote:Holy Smoke! How did we miss or forget this? Hasn't anyone here in the forum come up with a way to get this ex-bf's name?

I'm stumped by this element

I brought up the ex boyfriend before as a wild card that can't be dismissed cuz my nephew knows him...

Also, if LadyCOp is here or anyone in the know...I DO know Lisa's ex-boyfriends name, what he does for a living, who his family is here in town, and surprisingly....he JUST opened a FB account! Am I allowed to post that info or not?

i don't want to name him unless LE does. thanks~~

Okay...thanks..I was confused cuz LE hasnt named Tiffany as a suspect or a person of interest and we talk about her, so was unsure.

(02-10-2011, 03:17 PM)jash Wrote: Okay...thanks..I was confused cuz LE hasnt named Tiffany as a suspect or a person of interest and we talk about her, so was unsure.

she's been named in mainstream media. but there are so many peripheral people in the case i don't want to drag in everybody that the victims ever knew yet. or everyone that ever posted on their facebook pages. it's just too soon and there are innocent people who could be hurt, i'd rather err in being discreet.

OH HOW I WISH LE WOULD HOLD A PRESSER!!

(02-10-2011, 02:47 PM)Countryside_Belle Wrote: Carrot Juice: the "Z" has not been named because he is a minor.

There are 3 Zach's under Lisa's friends.

I hear ya, LC. Thanks...

ECK- for me, it's hard to tell if they are minors or not...- due to privacy settings, and the profile pics that are there...I have a feeling the Z was in the Tiff crowd, and I couldn't find Z on Tiff's page...(FB).
Also- I have seen 2 different sites online that talk of Lis'a ex having a "B" name. Not sure if this is the so called crazy ex.
I'm not naming the old ex, because he has nothing to do (so far) with the case.

Wow amazing, I just listened to the 911 calls.
Listening to Ms. Tiffany, I am completely convinced that she is part of this whole deal. I think she was caught off guard when the mother showed up at the house and started asking her questions. I think she was trying to keep her story straight on the phone with the 911 operator. What disturbs me is that she keeps referring to “her friend Lisa”, I thought she was actually the friend of Johnny….NOT Lisa. I am so confused now. This girl, Tiffany, in my opinion implicated herself. I would have love to have been a fly on the wall in the interrogation room, and see what she said…I am 100% sure she either saw what happened or KNEW what happened. I would love to know why they would be picking her up in the first place, where they going somewhere? If so where? I feel so badly for the families, this mother obviously knows of Johnny’s friends and situations. If she didn’t she would not have been so worried and THOUGHT someone set her son up.