(02-15-2011, 02:05 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 01:55 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: not that it's a nice thing to do, but as tool to get other stuff about other crimes out of these punks??

This isn't a slam at your comment.

I personally don't care what methods LE uses in getting the info they need. I've never been in bad trouble {only tickets for my after market tint} and I have no sympathy for a habitual fuck up. I sincerely hope the people involved in this are scared out of their minds right now & I'd love to see people spilling their guts in an effort to save their own ass.

i am sure they ARE scared. and could flee.
police are allowed to lie to suspects you know.
and someone will roll over for sure since this is a death penalty case.


have to run out, back soon~~

(02-15-2011, 01:12 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 12:07 PM)Springfield Twp Wrote: I found this tweet (below) from our local ABC affiliate interesting. Possible that the speculation is that an arrest is coming and they want to get their story constructed ahead of time?

13abc - Friend of Lisa Straub? The newsroom is interested in talking with you. Call 419-534-3858 and ask for Alexis.

Man, I hope so!

I think some young producer has been assigned to do a story and they want a new face to interview and show on camera.

(02-15-2011, 02:11 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Well I agree 100% but some people might think it's not nice, I don't, go for it. Shake every gang member up that you can get your hands on, and tell them "hey I think you had something to do with this" now "tell me something that will make me think different"....

You're absolutely right & the offenders will bleat that it's a violation of their rights.

Sometimes I really loathe that I am drawn to this horror, it's like crack & Ima crackhead.

(02-15-2011, 09:37 AM)doing40^thisyear Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 09:26 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Good morning everyone nice to be back

For anyone who want to see LE's record of arrests for Maytee and JC's in a much easier to read format, and it has all the evidence that was collected.

http://www.thewaronwomen.org/crime/59426...-who-knew/

wow....who the mother could have told??????????????????????? that speaks volumes to me. IMO i still believe that this woman knew her son was dealing drugs that night.

She stated that she wishes she had not let him go.

Someone posted earlier that she had gotten an oxi prescription that day. Do not know how they knew or if it is true.

(02-15-2011, 02:48 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: She stated that she wishes she had not let him go.

I'd wish I didn't let my child go anywhere if they were harmed or worse as well.

Barking up the wrong tree IMO. We're focusing on a dysfunctional mother vs. T's crowd, who has a history of home invasions?

I think there is an odd desperation to smear the Clarke family. I can't figure it out. They're far from perfect yes, but if they knew who killed their son, there's NO WAY it would be kept a secret from anyone.


Here's what we know. T had plans with the two victims that night. She waited hours (to get her story straight) before contacting a family friend. She has friends with a habit of committing violent robbery and assault. Her X got killed because of it. Motive, means, opportunity? I'd say so.

I posted a while back about a video game that involves the use of plastic bags to murder. As some of us know, there is an admitted fascination with "Horrorcore" by some of AG/TW's friends. One friend, a former gang member, has a business selling merchandise with horrorcore imagery. This friend said he joined the military to kill legally. Here is a snip from the video game.

WARNING, THE IMAGERY IS VIOLENT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUNPsKtR3...EA8CF84140

Of course, this may be completely unrelated, but I find it of interest given the rarity of plastic bags used in murder.

Has there been any other mention of the key found under the body?

(02-15-2011, 03:15 PM)KarmaK Wrote: Has there been any other mention of the key found under the body?

i can't recall the source now, but i read the key was connected to the alarm system.

(02-15-2011, 10:44 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-14-2011, 12:04 PM)RaisingAPrince Wrote:

(02-14-2011, 12:01 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I urge you all to be more fair here. WE DO NOT KNOW WHO BEAT
LISA UP. My mother beat me up (usually where it did not show)
in rage. I had a little brother who would kick every time he waked
by. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO BEAT LISA UP. It could have been
she was in a hen fight. WE CAN NOT BLAME X due to rumor. Please.

(I am not placing ANY blame on anyone, but suggesting it does not
necessarily mean the bruises came from X)

Thank you for those comments. I completely agree. For all we know, JC hit Lisa? If he was "known" to punch her friend in the stomach, who knows what went on between him and LS!!

Thank you for the very detailed and logical explanation! It was worth the wait and so very glad you are back up. You really are doing great things.

I said I would answer totally curious when we came back up so here goes.

First of all, if we aren't looking at anyone strictly by rumor then I guess that blows atleast half of what has been said about Tiffany & Maytee out of the water. ALSO I'm not blaming the ex BD for, especially murder or in the involvement in it. I simply said I do not understand why LS's parents would invite him (because the funeral was private so invitation was needed) to the funeral.

The reason why I do not understand it is because of this: If you go back to page 131 post #1834 by Jash, she looked up the ex, BD & found him in the Sylvania Municpal Courts website. Just a snippit of what was reported:

"He did have an assault charge filed in 2009.
Had to make restitution, fines, etc, and dismissed charges. He completed anger management and restitution. There was a "no contact" instigated against the victim of the assault, but it does NOT name the victim."

While the dockets do not name the victim, I am basing my opinion on this legal public document (fact) coupled with testimony from those who claim to know Lisa & her ex BD & things that happened between the 2 which included physical abuse & stalking.(possible rumor) These claims were made (if memory serves me right, because why else would there be a need to look him up) before Jash even looked up the ex so its not as if people who claim to know Lisa came in, saw Jashs post & THEN said Oh yeah BTW about that EX of hers....

These charges were from 2009, it is rumored that JC & LS had been dating for about 2 years, which would mean the beginning of their relationship was sometime in or around 2009, around the same time these charges & the no contact order was filed. The person who claimed to have worked with Lisa & saw her come into work beat the hell up, specifically asked why the ex, BD was not being investigated, not JC, although I'm not claiming that JC wasn't capable of physical violence, he just doesn't fit into the timeline for this reported incident & isn't named by the claimant. Now to say that we don't know where she got the bruises is true, the only way to know would be to witness the incident. I do think it's common for victims of DV to lie & say they bumped into walls or fell down stairs to account for their injuries too.

I'm just putting 2 & 2 together. It has been claimed/rumored/reported/testified too.... however you'd like to put it, that BD was a psycho, that he stalked her & that he beat her & then I have fact from a court docket that says he assaulted someone & had a TRO put out on him. If it somehow comes out in the wash that his charges & the TRO are completely unrelated to Lisa, well then my most heart felt apologies but I don't think that's the case & that's why I don't understand why he was invited to the funeral.

are justice for Johnny and RIP back up? i can't view the walls. where are my snitches??

He also has a link posted on his wall of a street fight in south toledo.

Here is the link to the youtube fight he posted:
LC: If you don't want this link here, please remove it.


Then if you search Youtube with Toledo and streetfights, wow the crap that comes up is unbelievable!
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I have never heard speech like that. Two things struck me. One - that no one tried to pull them apart. Two - that quite a few of the kids told them to take it outside and it was 'messed up sh*t'.

His record is a FACT...and it was backed up by claimed friends of Lisa's on the board.
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My main point which I apologize for not making clearly, was that we do not know who beat Lisa up because it could have been anyone. Yes, someone punched her friend, but that does not necessarily equate that the same person made Lisa black and blue.
Though the odds probably are high. I just thought that JC was the one who punched the friend and the X was the one accused of 'possibly bruising Lisa.' So I guess I am still mixed up. :-( Duh.

(02-15-2011, 03:29 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: are justice for Johnny and RIP back up? i can't view the walls. where are my snitches??

Yes they are. Latest post:

If you have heard "gossip on the street" about WHO committed this crime or WHY it was committed, please don't consider it just gossip as you may have heard "the truth". Please call 1 (419) 255-1111 with any information you think may help solve the murders of Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub.

This^^^^ is from the Justice page. RIP is up as well.

Latest from the RIP page:

Mark as SpamReport as AbuseRIP Johnny Love u and miss you so much its not fair n it doesnt seem real ;,,,,,,,( god how i wish you were here with lisa n gotti i miss u every second of every minute of every hour it seems like im trapped in a nitemare i cnt wake up from ;,,,,,,( johnnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ;,,,,,(

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XXXXX I wish I could do something to make you feel better but words (or anything) can't take away your pain at this time. Thinking of you lady
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XXXXXX I cannot even begin to feel the depth of your hurt and pain Maytee..you and your family have a place in all of our hearts and our thoughts forever....~♥
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RIP Johnny ‎;,,,,,(
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(02-15-2011, 12:53 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 09:26 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Good morning everyone nice to be back

For anyone who want to see LE's record of arrests for Maytee and JC's in a much easier to read format, and it has all the evidence that was collected.

http://www.thewaronwomen.org/crime/59426...-who-knew/

I found TW's record interesting as well. I think the people at WOW should post that as well. It seems they're blaming the Mother of a murder victim, indirectly. Blaming Mother's is part of the War on Women, is it not?

I get a blank page when I click on this link. Also, I can't find either a waronwomen.org or .com

Anyone else have this problem?

the link works for me, so it's correct.

(02-15-2011, 01:06 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 12:58 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: What I get from that video is the term 'BRO" is put in context for me. If JC is quoted as overheard saying "Bro" to the perps (as reported by"T") it shows me he recognized them as street guys he would see out and about. The tone expressed by JC shows it was someone he did not expect to be at LS house that night.

As LC points out, we have one source of this information. But, here's my hunch. Tiffany showed up at the house with some unexpected people. People that made Johnny uneasy. I think Tiffany took parts of the conversation that occurred and applied them to her phone scenario.

Interesting. Why would T. have called anyone then? Why not just "book' and let the chips fall where they fall?

(02-15-2011, 03:37 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I just thought that JC was the one who punched the friend and the X was the one accused of 'possibly bruising Lisa.' So I guess I am still mixed up. :-( Duh.

There is no formal record of JC punching anyone's friend. This may be complete BS, started by someone with an agenda, for all we know.

(02-15-2011, 03:55 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 03:37 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I just thought that JC was the one who punched the friend and the X was the one accused of 'possibly bruising Lisa.' So I guess I am still mixed up. :-( Duh.

There is no formal record of JC punching anyone's friend. This may be complete BS, started by someone with an agenda, for all we know.

and I don't think BD was ever arrested for assault.

(02-15-2011, 03:54 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Interesting. Why would T. have called anyone then? Why not just "book' and let the chips fall where they fall?

I surmise that she's trying to cover for her phone calls to the victims around the time of their deaths. She called a friend of a friend to establish a storyline.

(02-15-2011, 03:55 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 03:37 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I just thought that JC was the one who punched the friend and the X was the one accused of 'possibly bruising Lisa.' So I guess I am still mixed up. :-( Duh.

There is no formal record of JC punching anyone's friend. This may be complete BS, started by someone with an agenda, for all we know.

True. This was reported by a friend of Lisas who said that JC punched Lisas roommate in the stomach which caused Lisa to break her lease with the roommate & move back in with her parents in Nov/Dec 2010. The roommate reportedly never filed a complaint with LE out of respect for Lisa

What's interesting is that while looking at Lisas police record under the Sylvania mucipal court website I noticed that the last time Lisa was pulled over & issued a citation was January 14, 2011 for running a red light & her address was listed as a residence on PLUMLEAF in Toledo. Not in Holland or Springfield twnship with her parents. I just chalked it up to not updating her address on her license & not telling LE that she no longer lived there. Now I'm wondering if Lisa did live with her parents afterall & if maybe that's why Maytee kept saying that "They" were house sitting for her parents.......