Very interesting article...read the entire piece, it details methods used

Home Invasions: Side Effects of the Drug War

http://www.policemag.com/Channel/Gangs/A...fects.aspx

(02-16-2011, 08:36 PM)tiffwill123 Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 08:29 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 08:27 PM)tiffwill123 Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 08:03 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 08:01 PM)concerned Wrote: Who did TW tell about going to the Straubs house and partying the night before? An other question....I havent seen it asked...

DID YOU CONSPIRE TO HAVE THE STRAUBS HOUSE ROBBED AND JOHNNY AND LISA MURDERED?

She will be joining us soon so she can answer these questions for you!

i did not tell any 1 i was goin to lisa house.it was not a party.as i was speaking with lisa her an johnny asked did i want to come over and i said yes.we hung up and i called johnny rite back to tell him i was goin to the stor e when he got to my house jus walk in.and thats when i heard him talking to that man.

& what exactly did you hear Johnny & the man say ?

johnnys exact words were "bro wut r u doin"...and then he said tiff ima call u back.thats y i didnt call any one.he said hed call me back.after a hour of him not answering or showing up thats when i drove there.

Sean... Here it is.... And this is not what she says on the 911 call.

(02-17-2011, 01:56 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 08:36 PM)tiffwill123 Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 08:29 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 08:27 PM)tiffwill123 Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 08:03 PM)JsMom Wrote: She will be joining us soon so she can answer these questions for you!

i did not tell any 1 i was goin to lisa house.it was not a party.as i was speaking with lisa her an johnny asked did i want to come over and i said yes.we hung up and i called johnny rite back to tell him i was goin to the stor e when he got to my house jus walk in.and thats when i heard him talking to that man.

& what exactly did you hear Johnny & the man say ?

johnnys exact words were "bro wut r u doin"...and then he said tiff ima call u back.thats y i didnt call any one.he said hed call me back.after a hour of him not answering or showing up thats when i drove there.

Sean... Here it is.... And this is not what she says on the 911 call.

can you provide the text transcript of what TW said on the 2^nd 911 call?

(02-17-2011, 10:44 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Do I think she knew they were going to be murdered, no, did she put her hands on them, no, does she know a hell of a lot more....yep.

I'm with you. My opinion on the case hasn't changed over the supposed clarification of a phone call. The bottom line for me is that the perps had to know who was in the house that night. Who was expected, and so on. Someone felt comfortable taking their time. I'll allow others to stew on that a bit while considering portions of the Q and A.

Revenge killing by a former friend of JC? Cuban Mafia? Nah. I'm sticking with a "robbery gone bad". That doesn't mean I think we're going to find evidence to convict on a discussion board, however.

Regarding recent sympathy for TW, I think some may confuse a genuine affection for the deceased, and potential remorse with innocence. That said, if innocence applies I'll be the first to offer an apology. That, and a suggestion that a change in friendships and lifestyle may be warranted.

I'm still willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, however. But, I don't think the facts of the case (as I understand them) have changed drastically based upon anything said of late.

(02-17-2011, 02:00 PM)Unknown Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 01:56 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 08:36 PM)tiffwill123 Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 08:29 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 08:27 PM)tiffwill123 Wrote: i did not tell any 1 i was goin to lisa house.it was not a party.as i was speaking with lisa her an johnny asked did i want to come over and i said yes.we hung up and i called johnny rite back to tell him i was goin to the stor e when he got to my house jus walk in.and thats when i heard him talking to that man.

& what exactly did you hear Johnny & the man say ?

johnnys exact words were "bro wut r u doin"...and then he said tiff ima call u back.thats y i didnt call any one.he said hed call me back.after a hour of him not answering or showing up thats when i drove there.

Sean... Here it is.... And this is not what she says on the 911 call.

can you provide the text transcript of what TW said on the 2^nd 911 call?

To Unknownn...Taken from previous posts:

I listened again and this is as best as i can make out what she is saying to 911.

TW...O.K.Hello
911...Whats going on there?
TW...My friend Johnny and Lisa they were suppose to me up. me and my friend. This was at around 11 oclock and I was on the phone with his girl frien Lisa and he hung up and we all hung up. And then I called Johnny right back cause I was gonna tell him that I was gonna run to the store and I would meet him at the house......well he was yellin at some one like um saying "bro...who are you?"

This is what I heard:

I was on the phone with his gf Ls and HE ( TW says he but meant she, okay honest mistake) hung up, we all hung up, (myabe this was 3 way call?) and then he, I called jc right back I was gonna tell him that I was gonna run to the store and I would meet him at the house.. he was yellin at someone like "I'm on (she starts to say something else here)... he goes..bro who are you.. I called him right back and he didn't answer.

(02-17-2011, 12:53 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: it has not been confirmed here that anyone is in fact "grieving friend." it's pure speculation.

people should not make assumptions or try to find out personal information on other posters here! TiffanyW123 invited questions and scrutiny. xxx has not requested invasion of his/her privacy! i won't tolerate it.


DO NOT EVEN THINK OF INVADING THE PRIVACY OF MEMBERS HERE!
sorry about that! it wasn't intentional. i understand now it was an invasion of the member's privacy. wont happen again

(02-17-2011, 12:17 AM)doing40^thisyear Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 12:16 AM)tiffwill123 Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 12:10 AM)curious Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 10:50 PM)doing40^thisyear Wrote: [quote='pspence' pid='128905' dateline='1297907508']
I am so proud of Tiffany. I knew from the start that she has had nothing to do with this and was just trying to help the whole time. I'm so glad she has come on here to defend herself...she has a good heart.

I know that good heart shows in her rap sheet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i bet half the people on this forum either have a rap sheet and probably have dabled with drugs at some point in their life, or just damn lucky they never got caught...unlike 95% of toledo (kidding)

no seriously, major kuddos to you tiff, who impo happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time...and by joining here tonight defending her truth, is someone i wouldn't mind having my back.

thank you

sorry but my i dont have a rap sheet

Have you looked to be sure? You may be surprised.

newest from Justice for JC and LS

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
The invitation to Tiffany Williams, the young woman who was the last person to speak to Johnny Clarke, to answer questions is still open. If she chooses to respond, any person who launches a personal attack against her or administration will be banned. (See comments below for questions.)
4 minutes ago · 3 · LikeUnlike ·

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub Tiffany, if you do answer the questions, please make sure to answer them in a way people who are reading know which question you are answering. Thanks!

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub QUESTION FOR TIFFANY: Did you ever tell anyone the house was ransacked and the cupboards were open?

DCTim:
Have you looked to be sure? You may be surprised.





a rap sheet implies/refers to having been arrested.
i think people know whether they've ever been arrested. you don't forget that sort of thing.

I personally feel sorry for TW and the life she had to lead when she was young as well as all the other kids around that area but I am not defending her actions by feeling sorry for her or anyone else because at some point in your life, you know right from wrong. Some people rise aboce all the crap and some decide to stay in it. However, I have a hard time believing she or MrZ could have killed LS & JC. The simple fact that Johnny was a big guy and anyone that struggled with him enough to turn funiture over would (at least INMO) would have to have bruises and scratches etc....and I'd like to think if either one of those two people had bad brusies/scratches, wouldn't it have been said..especially by Maytee??

Another thing, I thought that the reason BOTH Johnny and D. St. Clair got released early was because they weren't carrying the gun? IS that considered snitching? or common knowledge? What is interesting, and I think somone already posted this info, but D. St. Clair did just recently leave town and move in with his girlfriend...because he was scared???? Total speculation but if any of what's been said about the snitching is true, and you just learned about JC murder, maybe you'd leave town??? Although if we found out where he lives now, somone else could too.

(02-17-2011, 02:33 PM)allieayy Wrote: newest from Justice for JC and LS

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
The invitation to Tiffany Williams, the young woman who was the last person to speak to Johnny Clarke, to answer questions is still open. If she chooses to respond, any person who launches a personal attack against her or administration will be banned. (See comments below for questions.)
4 minutes ago · 3 · LikeUnlike ·

Hahahahaha!

Imitation - the refuge and last resort of the dull and non-creative.

(02-17-2011, 02:43 PM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote: I have a hard time believing she or MrZ could have killed LS & JC. The simple fact that Johnny was a big guy and anyone that struggled with him enough to turn funiture over would (at least INMO) would have to have bruises and scratches etc..

I think there had to be at least two males involved.

(02-17-2011, 10:13 AM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: Anyone else notice the Justice for JC and LS page is completely gone now??

LOL i noticed NO ONE is on there posting anything anymore! BUT JUSTICE!

LC, how can I send you a private message? (There's another post here that needs an edit)

HAHA.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I thought she'd like to answer questions here since so many people expressed how guilty they think she is because Johnny's mother told the police she said the cupboards were open and the house was ransacked.

She wanted to clear her name on a... public forum that only a handful of people read. What better place than here where thousands of people are viewing this page?

As an administrator, I am able to see page statistics which indicate there are thousands of lurkers who have not liked this page.

If she wants to clear her name, this is the perfect place.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I might point out, after she answered the questions, people on the forum continued to discuss her and how they don't believe her, blah, blah, blah, and that won't happen here.

All that will be allowed here is thanking Tiffany for answering ...the questions, asking questions and apologizing to her if you feel that is necessary.

i remember when the woman running that page was all up maytee's ass, bashing tiffany left and right, and agreeing with everything maytee said about her.

edit: well, i got banned from the page. biggg surprise there.

(02-17-2011, 01:41 PM)aileen Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 01:10 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Lady Cop PLEASE REMOVE all those post related to people thinking ? is GF!!
Please!

OR will posters PLEASE remove their own post related to anyone on the board being GF!!

I have been trying to figure out HOW to edit it!!!! I'm not sure *I* can.

There is an edit button next to the quote button, but you only get 15 minutes to do it. As one of the mods said "members do not have the ability to delete posts". The mods don't delete so the only option is to edit within that 15 minute time frame. That is how I understand it to work.

(02-17-2011, 02:57 PM)allieayy Wrote: HAHA.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I thought she'd like to answer questions here since so many people expressed how guilty they think she is because Johnny's mother told the police she said the cupboards were open and the house was ransacked.

She wanted to clear her name on a... public forum that only a handful of people read. What better place than here where thousands of people are viewing this page?

As an administrator, I am able to see page statistics which indicate there are thousands of lurkers who have not liked this page.

If she wants to clear her name, this is the perfect place.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I might point out, after she answered the questions, people on the forum continued to discuss her and how they don't believe her, blah, blah, blah, and that won't happen here.

All that will be allowed here is thanking Tiffany for answering ...the questions, asking questions and apologizing to her if you feel that is necessary.

Wow, can you say JEALOUS

The admin at the "justice" page has taken to re-asking questions that Tiffany has answered, here. She seems desperate to keep her page relevant.

(02-17-2011, 02:54 PM)aileen Wrote: LC, how can I send you a private message? (There's another post here that needs an edit)

i just made you a member, so now you can use PMs. you'll see a PM option at bottom of my posts. i had to enable your PMs in your acct. settings. everyone needs to check their acct. settings.