(02-17-2011, 02:57 PM)allieayy Wrote: HAHA.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I thought she'd like to answer questions here since so many people expressed how guilty they think she is because Johnny's mother told the police she said the cupboards were open and the house was ransacked.

She wanted to clear her name on a... public forum that only a handful of people read. What better place than here where thousands of people are viewing this page?

As an administrator, I am able to see page statistics which indicate there are thousands of lurkers who have not liked this page.

If she wants to clear her name, this is the perfect place.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I might point out, after she answered the questions, people on the forum continued to discuss her and how they don't believe her, blah, blah, blah, and that won't happen here.

All that will be allowed here is thanking Tiffany for answering ...the questions, asking questions and apologizing to her if you feel that is necessary.

The person running that page is a buffoon. She does not have THOUSANDS of people viewing the page. She is a friggin' nazi and drove everyone off because she doesn't know how to manage it in a proper fashion. Thousands, hahaha!

(02-17-2011, 03:05 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 02:57 PM)allieayy Wrote: HAHA.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I thought she'd like to answer questions here since so many people expressed how guilty they think she is because Johnny's mother told the police she said the cupboards were open and the house was ransacked.

She wanted to clear her name on a... public forum that only a handful of people read. What better place than here where thousands of people are viewing this page?

As an administrator, I am able to see page statistics which indicate there are thousands of lurkers who have not liked this page.

If she wants to clear her name, this is the perfect place.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I might point out, after she answered the questions, people on the forum continued to discuss her and how they don't believe her, blah, blah, blah, and that won't happen here.

All that will be allowed here is thanking Tiffany for answering ...the questions, asking questions and apologizing to her if you feel that is necessary.

The person running that page is a buffoon. She does not have THOUSANDS of people viewing the page. She is a friggin' nazi and drove everyone off because she doesn't know how to manage it in a proper fashion. Thousands, hahaha!

she says that people there wont discuss her still being guilty...
its because they cant DISCUSS anything there. because she deletes anything she doesnt 100% like.

as a friend of lisa i find it utterly annoying that a woman who DOESNT even KNOW ANYONE INVOLVED IN THE CASE, has not only started this page but also banned people that were here REAL FRIENDS from it. like what is this woman even trying to get out of this?

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(02-17-2011, 02:57 PM)allieayy Wrote: As an administrator, I am able to see page statistics which indicate there are thousands of lurkers who have not liked this page.

If she wants to clear her name, this is the perfect place.

All that will be allowed here is thanking Tiffany for answering ...the questions, asking questions and apologizing to her if you feel that is necessary.

in otherwords, i will continue to censor you and pick and choose the posts i like. hahahahahahahahaha
why in hell would anyone bother unless they only wanted their butt kissed and smoke blown up their ass. AT MOCK WE ARE REAL! WE DEAL IN REALITY! NOT SUNSHINE AND TULIPS!

they need to give it up and find another cause. perhaps endangered lizards.

(02-17-2011, 03:02 PM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 02:57 PM)allieayy Wrote: HAHA.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I thought she'd like to answer questions here since so many people expressed how guilty they think she is because Johnny's mother told the police she said the cupboards were open and the house was ransacked.

She wanted to clear her name on a... public forum that only a handful of people read. What better place than here where thousands of people are viewing this page?

As an administrator, I am able to see page statistics which indicate there are thousands of lurkers who have not liked this page.

If she wants to clear her name, this is the perfect place.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I might point out, after she answered the questions, people on the forum continued to discuss her and how they don't believe her, blah, blah, blah, and that won't happen here.

All that will be allowed here is thanking Tiffany for answering ...the questions, asking questions and apologizing to her if you feel that is necessary.

Wow, can you say JEALOUS

(02-17-2011, 12:20 AM)shitstorm Wrote: I'd just like to say that I don't find the way things went down that night to be all that unusual.

Tiff is talking to Johnny and he says he'll call her back. Some time passes, he doesn't, so she calls and texts, with no answer. She drives over and nothing looks amiss. She tells Sharita about it and that gets passed on to Maytee who is immediately worried. That all took two hours which is not all that long.

I completely agree!

(02-17-2011, 03:20 PM)trixie Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 12:20 AM)shitstorm Wrote: I'd just like to say that I don't find the way things went down that night to be all that unusual.

Tiff is talking to Johnny and he says he'll call her back. Some time passes, he doesn't, so she calls and texts, with no answer. She drives over and nothing looks amiss. She tells Sharita about it and that gets passed on to Maytee who is immediately worried. That all took two hours which is not all that long.

I completely agree!

I too agree. But wasn't there another step in there. Sharita called
a guy who called Johnny's dad? Meanwhile there had to be a few
calls and texts going on between the other people. Imagine having
to do a flow chart of all those Pings. I hope they have an
auditorium wall to put their paper up on. LOL

i have a question for TiffW if she decides to return and/or answer.
are there TWO Sharitas? was one the object of a restraining order from Maytee, and another your friend? or are they one and the same? do you happen to know the reason it was issued? i understand there were mutual restraining orders/stalking complaints.

and if Maytee is reading, i'd like to hear your side too if you choose.

I could be wrong here, but I believe they are two different names. TW refers to Sherita, and the relative of JC's mom from the documents shown here were for a Sarita.

(02-17-2011, 03:46 PM)aileen Wrote: I could be wrong here, but I believe they are two different names. TW refers to Sherita, and the relative of JC's mom from the documents shown here were for a Sarita.

that could be the cause for my confusion. the media gets it wrong quite often, and can't spell accurately either.
i am still interested in what prompted the complaints.

(02-17-2011, 10:21 AM)Unknown Wrote: Honestly. You all act like she got on here an said something different then what she told LE. Her story hasn't changed. why would it. shes not going to confess on an online forum. This is a lie right here "if i knew who did this yes i would tell the police." That's coming from a "DOWN ASS BITCH WHO RIDES FOR HER NIGAS AND BITCHES." Her boyfriends hates snitches. I mean utterly hates snitches. I've show personal proof of her boyfriend having a Tattoo on his forearm that says STOP SNITCHING and shirts and other clothing that says snitches need to hang and we'll cut your fucking throat. Yes these are the type of people she hangs out with. What you saw on here was proper Tiffany, but she has a whole other side to her which you know nothing about. Notice she wont go into questions about her own life? She wont answer anything about drugs. And she states " ...come on its all rumors what they saying about me. so that should tell you something." I can guarantee you what I have said on here personally has not been rumors. She say "it is true they used the garage door to get in the house" no one knows how they entered or exited through the house. She states "no i was not going alone another one of are friends was going also. Another one of her friends was going also? which indicates 2 people were going with her over to LS. She states johnny said " bro who are you" then she said he said he kept sayn "bro wut r u doin" which one is it?

*Finds it to be just hilarious that her boyfriend was sitting at home doing a paper for school. Maybe we wants to upgrade to blue collar crimes.

I want to know even though it wont get answered is, In the past month was she doing Percocets with JC & LS? The first night she & ZB went over to LS house were they doing Percocets then? Did JC call you or ZB the day of the murders looking for Percocets? Did they call you or ZB any other time that day? If yes what did you talk about? Did LS Show you around the house? When you went to the house the first time how did you enter? Did you know of the spare key to enter the garage door on the side of the garage? When was the last time you went to bed bath and beyond? do you know anyone who works in home improvement or anything to do with duct work? Do you know of anyone capable of committing a crime like this? Was LS flirting with ZB the first night or the opposite?

I agree these are very important points to be pursued.

Last night, I may have offended by asking that the Q & A with Tiffany not be interrupted by accusations, but that was not intended as an endorsement of her credibility.

I know more than a bit about direct and cross examination and it is important to first always give the witness or interviewee the opportunity to answer all questions posed in a non-accusatory manner, covering all aspects, before any confrontational remarks or questions. Otherwise, it is just a lesson in how to fix your story.

We are also at a disadvantage here because we are unable to observe the demeanor of the person during Q & A.

I did get the feeling that this was really Tiffany from the way she answered the questions and knew details of the events; but I had a hard time reconciling her remarkable command of the English language with the way she talks on her Facebook page. It is even possible, although not probable, that this could have been a combination of the real Tiffany sitting and providing response in street talk to another person composing it into understandable English, fixing details that didn't fit, and typing out responses that looked good and sounded convincing.

We don't know. I hope that is not true. I hope that Tiffany is willing to come back and continue the conversation and now be willing to respond to more challenging questions as suggested above by Unknown and others.

Methusala, just an aside...that dark green is very difficult to read.
i can change it if you like.

I have noticed on MAYTEE's 911 calls, is where the story starts to change and evolve...

1^st 911...Maytee state that this girl just picked up my husband and she said my son was walking out the door to pick her up and the phone dropped and she heard, who r u, what r u doing here. The girl said she drove by the house and it looked ransacked, and all the lights are on. Later, in the same call, Maytee is retelling the story again and says, "She goes out and all the lites are on and cabinets are ransacked."

2^nd call...Maytee says, "Tiff was on the phone with my son when he was walking out and she heard a guy screaming at my son. My son then said, "Who r u, what do u want, get away from us."
Later in call is when she brings up Tiff waiting 2 hours to call. As they pull into driveway, Maytee yells, "I have a feeling you set up my son, he's missing." Then she tells Tiff to talk to 911.

Tiff gets on phone and says, "I was on phone, we all hung up, they were, I called right back to tell him , he was yelling, "I'm on...Bro..who r u? Then...Called rite back and there was nothing. I texted lisa and got no response. After my friends mom got home, I took her car and now Johnny's mom is arguing with me. She then says, "They never showed up. I was calling (JC's phone) and it was ringing and then shut off all of a sudden."

As far as Maytee goes...she keeps adding to the story to ratchet up the emergency status.

1. MAYTEE, not TIFF..says the phone dropped. Tiff never said that but that's what's been put out there.
2. MAYTEE, not TIFF...says "They were walking out the door."
3. MAYTEE, not TIFF....says, "She drove by the house and all the lites are on and the cabinets are ransacked." Tiff said last night that the house thru the window she looked in looked fine and the only light that was on was the one on the stairs. Tiff NEVER said the cabinets were ransacked and all lights were on..MAYTEE did.

Second 911 call..

Maytee takes it up a notch and now says that Tiff was on phone with my son as he was walking out the door and she heard a guy screaming at my son...This is NEWLY added by Maytee cuz in the first 911, the "guy" wasn't heard at all.

Maytee then adds even more by saying that Johnny said "GET AWAY FROM US". Tiff never said he said that in ANY story she has told.


This is NOT the same story from TIff told last night. She makes no mention on here that JC said he would call her back and that's why she waited. She did not say last night that he was "yelling", but in 911 call she said he was yelling. So, the differences between her stories boils down to
1. She originally said that "he" was yelling..I'm on the....Bro, who r u? Then I called rite back and nothing. She doesn't explain on 911 WHY she called rite back again. did the phone disconnect? did johnny hang up?
2. She originally DID NOT say on 911 that JC said, "Tiff, I'll call ya back." This to me, is VERY important because this is her story NOW. This small phrase of I'll call ya back, lets her off the hook for waiting so long to call someone about what she heard. This smells to me like she has added this little tidbit to cover herself about why she didn't call right away. This is the one huge flaw that I say between her stories....did JC say, I'll call u back? Or didn't he?

Everything else that we blame her for changing her story on isn't really her changing the story...IT is Maytee who has thrown all that extra stuff out there, which is WHY the court of public opinion immediately jumped on Tiff as the culprit. Who wouldn't, when u have the mom saying she said the house was ransacked, cabinets were open, some guy was screaming at my son, the phone dropped....ALL things that Tiff said she NEVER said.

Maytee also changed her story on the JVM show...
VAZQUEZ: She waits two hours. She waits two hours to call a friend of his that knows me and tells the friend, "I think something really bad happened to John and Lisa. I was on the phone with them. I heard such and such," you know, what you repeated on the show earlier. "And I heard Johnny drop the phone. I`ve gone by the house a few times. It looks ransacked. It looks like cabinets and doors are open. I think somebody needs to call Johnny`s mom and tell them something bad has happened."

Now, we have Maytee saying Tiff said something bad happened, and not only are cabinet doors open, all the doors are opened also.

then Maytee says,
VAZQUEZ: No, he did not have any enemies. And actually, Lisa`s boyfriend was in prison for robbery and just got out of prison a couple months ago

While we know that BD has been in trouble in 2008, it has NOT been shown anywhere that he just was released from prison for robbery...that was HER son...not the ex.

Maytee then says: "The girl told the police that she heard the struggle at 11 at night."

Now it has escalated into a 'STRUGGLE" that Tiff heard a struggle whereas Tiff does not say that in 911 call, nor does she say it here.


Right now, in my book, Tiff has 1 glaring omission between stories and that is...I'll call ya back.

Maytee has a shitload of different stories. JMO

I know educated, accomplished young people who "talk" the same way online & in text messaging when dealing with their peers. I'm not prepared to read anything into the differences given I know how deceiving & at odds the reality actually is.

Many many pages ago I asked "How did Maytee know that people used
a key inside a box" to get into the house. "I have seen them do it
many times."

That still bothers me. Under what circumstances has Maytee been to
the Straubs MANY TIMES.

Anyone know?

very good post Jash.

[quote]i have a question for TiffW if she decides to return and/or answer.
are there TWO Sharitas? was one the object of a restraining order from Maytee, and another your friend? or are they one and the same? do you happen to know the reason it was issued? i understand there were mutual restraining orders/stalking complaint

Tiff said last night that the Sharita (Sarita) SHE called, is dating Johnny's best friend. There is a different Sharita that Maytee has stalking orders against and vice versa.

all of you may want to see Duchess' post here re: justice for johnny, and give your opinion if you like----->

http://mockforums.net/thread-4854.html

Amazing what can happen in one day on this forum. A new prospective has definitely been brought into light. I have a question for TIFFANY if she comes back on this forum. What was the conversation like with JOHNNY’S father? I think it would be extremely interesting to hear HIS side of all this…he was the one to initially find how they were left by their killer. I would love to know what he saw…and what was his initial reaction to TIFFANY?

PS: LC, How do I become an official member?

LytoMe : PS: LC, How do I become an official member?


just continue posting.

(02-17-2011, 03:53 PM)jash Wrote: This is NOT the same story from TIff told last night. She makes no mention on here that JC said he would call her back and that's why she waited. She did not say last night that he was "yelling", but in 911 call she said he was yelling. So, the differences between her stories boils down to
1. She originally said that "he" was yelling..I'm on the....Bro, who r u? Then I called rite back and nothing. She doesn't explain on 911 WHY she called rite back again. did the phone disconnect? did johnny hang up?
2. She originally DID NOT say on 911 that JC said, "Tiff, I'll call ya back." This to me, is VERY important because this is her story NOW. This small phrase of I'll call ya back, lets her off the hook for waiting so long to call someone about what she heard. This smells to me like she has added this little tidbit to cover herself about why she didn't call right away. This is the one huge flaw that I say between her stories....did JC say, I'll call u back? Or didn't he?

Right now, in my book, Tiff has 1 glaring omission between stories and that is...I'll call ya back.