(02-17-2011, 07:00 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 06:58 PM)heyyou Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 06:34 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Was T convicted of being involved in setting up her boyfriend? Is it for
sure and positive?

no tiffany never set up her boyfriend... him and a few othr people did it on there own and they messed with the wrong people im very familiar with this case as he did die in my ex-girlfriends backyard

O DAMN!

I am having a problem understanding the connection. Yes, Tiffany is friends
with two people who get killed. Please explain what you think she had to
do with the first one. We have read the suspicions in regards to Johnny and
Lisa. Or if there is a link, please post it. Thank you.

(02-17-2011, 05:44 PM)purplepegasus Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 05:38 PM)Sean69 Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 05:22 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: NO, she wasn't even consistent, on the 911 call she says she called JC right back and texted LS, on the board here she says she waited a hour didn't call them because JC said he would call her in an hour... why wouldn't she mention that to the 911 operator, oh he said he would call me in an hour so I didn't bother checking or calling anyone, NOPE she never says that once, infact she supposedly was worried right away calling him right back and texting LS,how on earth are these 2 statements consistent? You got me??? She is a manipulator. Drug addicts and cons know how to do it the best and playing stupid is probably on of her biggest ruses. Or saying things to certain people. Version #1 I called Johnny right back and texted LS. Or Version#2 Oh I waited an hour cause JC said to wait an hour.They know every trick in the book, at the risk of repeating myself, just ask people who deal with them, parents, lovers, kids, employers, parole officer, doctors that they get to write them prescriptions. I would believe that maybe all that tough nigga/bytch talk on her FB site was just stupid stuff, IF, if it didnt' have the rapsheet and the dead ex to go along with it. She knows way more and even who was involved in this and I agree Sociopaths are charming when they want something that is!!

This is what I've been trying to get across, but only a few people are getting it - and it really is quite serious...

I don't remember Tiffany saying that JC told her to wait an hour. I thought she said that he said he would call her back and when he didn't call back in an hour, she went to the Straub's house to see if everything was OK.

Here are the two versions of the calls:

From EastCoastKat's transcription of the 911 call:
"I was on the phone with his gf Lisa and then he hung up, and ummm we all hung up, and he said they were on their way and then he...I called Johnny right back cuz I was gonna tell him that I was gonna run to the store and then I would meet them at the house.. well ummm he was yellin at somebody like ummm I'm on ... he goes..bro who are you.. and then umm..I called him right back and he didn't answer. so I texted my friend Lisa's phone and and I was like umm where are you are, are you guys okay and they have not answered to me nothing they have not answered the phone and I been callin and callin...callin

So I drove out to their house after umm my friends mom got home and umm nobody answered the door"

From jash's compilation of tiff's posts here on the forum [I have rearranged the order]:
"i was speaking with lisa her an johnny asked did i want to come over and i said yes.we hung up and i called johnny rite back to tell him i was goin to the stor e when he got to my house jus walk in.and thats when i heard him talking to that man."

"i could not hear what the other guy was sayin he sounded kinda far away but also johnny kept asking him bro who are you so he was talking over the man.i only heard 1 voice tho."

"johnnys exact words were "bro wut r u doin"...and then he said tiff ima call u back.thats y i didnt call any one.he said hed call me back.after a hour of him not answering or showing up thats when i drove there."

"johnny told me he would call me back.thats why i didnt call anyone.then when a hour went by and he didnt answer him or lisa thats when i drove out there."

---------------

To me, it looks like in the 911 call, tiff was expressing concern for their safety immediately after speaking with JC whereas in her forum posts, she wasn't immediately concerned because he said he'd call her back.

Is it possible that T was supposed to alert the parents so Johnny and Lisa
could be saved?

What is the meaning of them having phones 'on their body' as well as
'phone parts all over the room' ?? Any ideas?

(02-17-2011, 02:57 PM)allieayy Wrote: HAHA.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I thought she'd like to answer questions here since so many people expressed how guilty they think she is because Johnny's mother told the police she said the cupboards were open and the house was ransacked.

She wanted to clear her name on a... public forum that only a handful of people read. What better place than here where thousands of people are viewing this page?

As an administrator, I am able to see page statistics which indicate there are thousands of lurkers who have not liked this page.

If she wants to clear her name, this is the perfect place.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I might point out, after she answered the questions, people on the forum continued to discuss her and how they don't believe her, blah, blah, blah, and that won't happen here.

All that will be allowed here is thanking Tiffany for answering ...the questions, asking questions and apologizing to her if you feel that is necessary.

lol

Looks like her FB page has jumped the shark. Being a nazi moderator didn't help.

(02-17-2011, 07:06 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 07:00 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 06:58 PM)heyyou Wrote: [quote='TotallyCurious' pid='129476' dateline='1297982079']
Was T convicted of being involved in setting up her boyfriend? Is it for
sure and positive?

no tiffany never set up her boyfriend... him and a few othr people did it on there own and they messed with the wrong people im very familiar with this case as he did die in my ex-girlfriends backyard

O DAMN!

I am having a problem understanding the connection. Yes, Tiffany is friends
with two people who get killed. Please explain what you think she had to
do with the first one. We have read the suspicions in regards to Johnny and
Lisa. Or if there is a link, please post it. Thank you.

[/quote


well the first one was her boyfriend/babydaddy thats wut she has to do with the first one i jw if since her boyfriend got murdered robbing his friends if she didnt pick up anything from him b4 he passed and attempted to rob ls n jc n things went horribly wrong...
and this is just me having my own thoughts

(02-17-2011, 05:19 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 04:58 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 09:07 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: i never in a million years thought maytee had any active involvement in her son's death. she's welcome here as well.

Well, you're the pro, but I wouldn't rule her out, either. I wouldn't trust any of this bunch any further than I could throw them.

i will eat my combat boots if Maytee actively plotted the death of her 'baby boy'. i would be genuinely shocked, and it takes a lot to shock me.

(02-17-2011, 05:39 PM)LytoMe Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 05:30 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Johnny's father:

CRB-08-19341-0101 CLARKE, JOVANNY 07/16/1969 POSSESSION OF DRUGS BENCH WARRANT none
CRB-08-22290-0102 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 DISORD CONDUCT;ENGAGE IN FIGHT/THREATEN amended from DOMESTIC VIOL;CAUSE FAMILY MEMBER TO BELIEVE OFFENDER WILL CAUSE IMMINENT PHYSICAL HARM GUILTY 04/07/2010
CRB-08-22290-0202 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 MENACING DISMISSED 04/07/2010
CRB-98-02747-0101 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE DISMISSED 10/29/1999
CRB-94-16175-0101 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 DRUG ABUSE;CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE POSS/USE DISMISSED 11/05/1999
CRB-92-01103-0101 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 RECEIVING STOLEN PROPERTY/SERVICES DISMISSED 06/03/1992
CRA-91-03888-0101 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 POLICE ORDER;FAIL TO OBEY GUILTY 03/22/1991
CRA-91-08590-0101 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPONS BOUND OVER 05/24/1991
CRB-88-10140-0101 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 PEACE BOND DISMISSED 03/26/1991
CRB-88-10302-0101 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 CRIMINAL TRESPASS DISMISSED 03/26/1991
CRB-88-10763-0102 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 DISORDERLY CONDUCT amended from OBSTRUCTING OFFICIAL BUSINESS GUILTY 03/26/1991
CRB-88-10763-0202 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 CRIMINAL TRESPASS DISMISSED 03/26/1991
TRD-10-07373-0102 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 LICENSE REQUIRED;DRIVING WITHOUT LICENSE DISMISSED 06/03/2010
TRD-10-07373-0202 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 REASONABLE AND ORDINARY CONTROL OF MOTOR VEHICLE;OPERATE WITHOUT EXERCISING DISMISSED 06/03/2010
TRD-08-28115-0103 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 LICENSE REQUIRED;DRIVING WITHOUT LICENSE BENCH WARRANT none
TRD-08-28115-0203 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 RIGHT OF WAY OF PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLES BENCH WARRANT none
TRD-08-28115-0303 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 FAILURE TO DISPLAY LICENSE PLATES BENCH WARRANT none
TRD-04-21818-0101 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 SPEED:EXCEED ERECTED SIGN LIMIT GUILTY 08/25/2004
TRD-94-26019-0101 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 LOUD AMPLIFICATION SYSTEMS PROHIBITED DISMISSED 07/28/1997
TRD-88-42218-0103 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 LICENSE REQ;DRIVER/CHAUFFEUR GUILTY 03/26/1991
TRD-88-42218-0203 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 ACCIDENT REPORTS amended from STOP AFTER ACCID;COLLIDE/UNATTENDED VEH GUILTY 03/26/1991
TRD-88-42218-0303 CLARKE, JOHN 07/16/1969 STARTING AND BACKING VEHICLES DISMISSED 03/26/1991

If I am reading the charges correctly, a lot of them are YEARS old. The most recent offenses are for motor vehicle accidents/stops?

Lady Cop Check this out, looks like he likes to mix up the spelling of his name up, isn't that the youngest son's name too? It looks like this is still pending too, hmmm.

Case Number Defendant Date of Birth
CRB-08-19341-0101 CLARKE, JOVANNY P 07/16/1969 Charge POSSESSION OF DRUGS Disposition PENDING


For a complete printable version, please click here.

Journal Details
Date Activity Record
09/27/2008 Affidavit Filed 09/27/2008 17:26. Defendant issued a summons and ordered to appear for arraignment on 10/06/2008 13:00 in court room 4. Clerk entry
10/06/2008 Bench warrant issued. MAGISTRATE MORGAN
10/06/2008 Bond set at $100.00. MAGISTRATE MORGAN
04/07/2010 BENCH WARRANT ordered withdrawn. JUDGE GORMAN
04/07/2010 Case continued to 04/20/2010 09:00 in courtroom 4. JUDGE GORMAN
04/20/2010 Defendant enters plea of not guilty. To Assignment commissioner for date. JUDGE BERLING
04/20/2010 Defendant present with attorney PHILLIPS, JEROME , #0001140. JUDGE BERLING
04/20/2010 I hereby voluntarily and expressly waive my constitutional right to a speedy trial and to have this case tried within the time prescribed in ORC 2945.71. On 04/20/2010 Signature of Defendant's Attorney on case. Clerk entry
04/20/2010 Case assigned to JUDGE CHRISTIANSEN. Clerk entry
04/20/2010 Case set for PROSECUTOR PRETRIAL on 06/03/2010 08:30 in courtroom 4. Clerk entry
04/20/2010 Motion for consolidation filed and granted per request of court. Case CRB-08-19341-0101 consolidated with case(s) TRD-10-07373-0202, TRD-10-07373-0102, TRD-08-28115-0303, TRD-08-28115-0203, TRD-08-28115-0103. Clerk entry
06/03/2010 Case reset. To Assignment Office to schedule. JUDGE CHRISTIANSEN
06/03/2010 Case set for TRIAL on 08/02/2010 09:00 in courtroom 8. Clerk entry
06/03/2010 Complainant officer notice sent to desk sergeant on 06/03/2010. Clerk entry
06/03/2010 Motion for consolidation filed and granted per request of court. Case CRB-08-19341-0101 consolidated with case(s) TRD-08-28115-0303, TRD-08-28115-0203, TRD-08-28115-0103. Clerk entry
08/02/2010 Bench warrant issued. JUDGE CHRISTIANSEN
08/02/2010 Bond set at $1,000.00. JUDGE CHRISTIANSEN

(02-17-2011, 07:12 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 02:57 PM)allieayy Wrote: HAHA.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I thought she'd like to answer questions here since so many people expressed how guilty they think she is because Johnny's mother told the police she said the cupboards were open and the house was ransacked.

She wanted to clear her name on a... public forum that only a handful of people read. What better place than here where thousands of people are viewing this page?

As an administrator, I am able to see page statistics which indicate there are thousands of lurkers who have not liked this page.

If she wants to clear her name, this is the perfect place.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I might point out, after she answered the questions, people on the forum continued to discuss her and how they don't believe her, blah, blah, blah, and that won't happen here.

All that will be allowed here is thanking Tiffany for answering ...the questions, asking questions and apologizing to her if you feel that is necessary.

lol

Looks like her FB page has jumped the shark. Being a nazi moderator didn't help.

LMAO!
WTF does this person expect~ some of us might believe her and some may not and she knew that first hand THANKS TO LADY COP! second, WTF this is a public forum and yah people are gonna talk~thats what we r here for! WHAT AN IDIOT! COME ON JUSTICE! u make no damn sense what so ever! Least here we dont have to copy and paste every damn thing we know! PLEASE

(02-17-2011, 03:09 PM)allieayy Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 03:05 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 02:57 PM)allieayy Wrote: HAHA.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I thought she'd like to answer questions here since so many people expressed how guilty they think she is because Johnny's mother told the police she said the cupboards were open and the house was ransacked.

She wanted to clear her name on a... public forum that only a handful of people read. What better place than here where thousands of people are viewing this page?

As an administrator, I am able to see page statistics which indicate there are thousands of lurkers who have not liked this page.

If she wants to clear her name, this is the perfect place.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I might point out, after she answered the questions, people on the forum continued to discuss her and how they don't believe her, blah, blah, blah, and that won't happen here.

All that will be allowed here is thanking Tiffany for answering ...the questions, asking questions and apologizing to her if you feel that is necessary.

The person running that page is a buffoon. She does not have THOUSANDS of people viewing the page. She is a friggin' nazi and drove everyone off because she doesn't know how to manage it in a proper fashion. Thousands, hahaha!

she says that people there wont discuss her still being guilty...
its because they cant DISCUSS anything there. because she deletes anything she doesnt 100% like.

as a friend of lisa i find it utterly annoying that a woman who DOESNT even KNOW ANYONE INVOLVED IN THE CASE, has not only started this page but also banned people that were here REAL FRIENDS from it. like what is this woman even trying to get out of this?

[/rant]

If I lost a loved one to murder I would be very pissed at some stranger putting up a FB page about them. Anyone who would do that is a nut. Probably sits around eating Little Debbies all day, "grieving" for every case on Nancy Grace.

Kat, yes he still may have an open case. and get continuances one after another.

(02-17-2011, 03:20 PM)trixie Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 12:20 AM)shitstorm Wrote: I'd just like to say that I don't find the way things went down that night to be all that unusual.

Tiff is talking to Johnny and he says he'll call her back. Some time passes, he doesn't, so she calls and texts, with no answer. She drives over and nothing looks amiss. She tells Sharita about it and that gets passed on to Maytee who is immediately worried. That all took two hours which is not all that long.

I completely agree!

I would like to point out that EastCoastKat has shown a major discrepancy with what T said here and the 911 call. That changes my mind.

Another thing: I think the whole checking the house story is bullshit, anyway.

(02-17-2011, 07:17 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Probably sits around eating Little Debbies all day, "grieving" for every case on Nancy Grace.

And thinking "Little" makes it a diet food!

Sorry . . .

(02-17-2011, 11:23 AM)Love Hippos Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 11:15 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Aside from anything Maytee said, I have listened to that 911 call over and over and NEVER not once does TW say anything about JC calling her back in an hour, she says the exact opposite. Screw what Maytee says, listen to the call, it right out of TW's own mouth. IMO she knew something was going down, what? I don't believe she is being truthful.

Yep. Take Maytee out of the picture and focus on Tiffany's comments in the 2^nd 911 call, and you will know her side of the story as to what happened...and it doesn't jive with what she told us!

probably was not her.

(02-17-2011, 07:24 PM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 07:17 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Probably sits around eating Little Debbies all day, "grieving" for every case on Nancy Grace.

And thinking "Little" makes it a diet food!

Sorry . . .

she might wanna change to

(02-17-2011, 06:53 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Storm re: Z...Then he is NOT a minor!

i have good information that he IS a minor. i would need proof that he is not. and he still has not been named a suspect of course, which i know was not implied by you.

Dang, I saw a photo of "a" ZB and the dude didn't even look like he had ever shaved. Wat up wyd dat?

(02-17-2011, 07:29 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 06:53 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Storm re: Z...Then he is NOT a minor!

i have good information that he IS a minor. i would need proof that he is not. and he still has not been named a suspect of course, which i know was not implied by you.

Dang, I saw a photo of "a" ZB and the dude didn't even look like he had ever shaved. Wat up wyd dat?

@ Wat up wyd dat? dafuck?

There is a Juvinelle detention center in Lucas County. It is located right across the street from the Lucas County Sheriffs Office. I don't know why they would take Mr.Z to Wood County, when like you said the homicide happened in Lucas County

(02-17-2011, 05:17 PM)shitstorm Wrote: My guess is that if Tiffany was not involved, but knew who did it, and she snitched, she'd be the next person with a plastic bag over her head. You're a member of a gang - you don't rat out the family. Of course, when faced with 30 years in prison, many of them do roll over. We shall see .....

I've thought about this as well. Perhaps someone who knows something is in good graces with the perpetrators at present. But the future may be different. Anyone who could kill in the manner LS and JC were killed, is indeed a sociopath. Not someone I would want to stay close to. Especially if the people involved knew I knew. Paranoia is sure to set in at some point.

If it hasn't already.

(02-17-2011, 07:35 PM)Duchess Wrote:

If it hasn't already.

I agree Duchess, If it was me Ida been paranoid! lol Just because whomever did it might single me out for just bein JC and LS friend!

(02-17-2011, 03:53 PM)jash Wrote: I have noticed on MAYTEE's 911 calls, is where the story starts to change and evolve...

1^st 911...Maytee state that this girl just picked up my husband and she said my son was walking out the door to pick her up and the phone dropped and she heard, who r u, what r u doing here. The girl said she drove by the house and it looked ransacked, and all the lights are on. Later, in the same call, Maytee is retelling the story again and says, "She goes out and all the lites are on and cabinets are ransacked."

2^nd call...Maytee says, "Tiff was on the phone with my son when he was walking out and she heard a guy screaming at my son. My son then said, "Who r u, what do u want, get away from us."
Later in call is when she brings up Tiff waiting 2 hours to call. As they pull into driveway, Maytee yells, "I have a feeling you set up my son, he's missing." Then she tells Tiff to talk to 911.

Tiff gets on phone and says, "I was on phone, we all hung up, they were, I called right back to tell him , he was yelling, "I'm on...Bro..who r u? Then...Called rite back and there was nothing. I texted lisa and got no response. After my friends mom got home, I took her car and now Johnny's mom is arguing with me. She then says, "They never showed up. I was calling (JC's phone) and it was ringing and then shut off all of a sudden."

As far as Maytee goes...she keeps adding to the story to ratchet up the emergency status.

1. MAYTEE, not TIFF..says the phone dropped. Tiff never said that but that's what's been put out there.
2. MAYTEE, not TIFF...says "They were walking out the door."
3. MAYTEE, not TIFF....says, "She drove by the house and all the lites are on and the cabinets are ransacked." Tiff said last night that the house thru the window she looked in looked fine and the only light that was on was the one on the stairs. Tiff NEVER said the cabinets were ransacked and all lights were on..MAYTEE did.

Second 911 call..

Maytee takes it up a notch and now says that Tiff was on phone with my son as he was walking out the door and she heard a guy screaming at my son...This is NEWLY added by Maytee cuz in the first 911, the "guy" wasn't heard at all.

Maytee then adds even more by saying that Johnny said "GET AWAY FROM US". Tiff never said he said that in ANY story she has told.


This is NOT the same story from TIff told last night. She makes no mention on here that JC said he would call her back and that's why she waited. She did not say last night that he was "yelling", but in 911 call she said he was yelling. So, the differences between her stories boils down to
1. She originally said that "he" was yelling..I'm on the....Bro, who r u? Then I called rite back and nothing. She doesn't explain on 911 WHY she called rite back again. did the phone disconnect? did johnny hang up?
2. She originally DID NOT say on 911 that JC said, "Tiff, I'll call ya back." This to me, is VERY important because this is her story NOW. This small phrase of I'll call ya back, lets her off the hook for waiting so long to call someone about what she heard. This smells to me like she has added this little tidbit to cover herself about why she didn't call right away. This is the one huge flaw that I say between her stories....did JC say, I'll call u back? Or didn't he?

Everything else that we blame her for changing her story on isn't really her changing the story...IT is Maytee who has thrown all that extra stuff out there, which is WHY the court of public opinion immediately jumped on Tiff as the culprit. Who wouldn't, when u have the mom saying she said the house was ransacked, cabinets were open, some guy was screaming at my son, the phone dropped....ALL things that Tiff said she NEVER said.

Maytee also changed her story on the JVM show...
VAZQUEZ: She waits two hours. She waits two hours to call a friend of his that knows me and tells the friend, "I think something really bad happened to John and Lisa. I was on the phone with them. I heard such and such," you know, what you repeated on the show earlier. "And I heard Johnny drop the phone. I`ve gone by the house a few times. It looks ransacked. It looks like cabinets and doors are open. I think somebody needs to call Johnny`s mom and tell them something bad has happened."

Now, we have Maytee saying Tiff said something bad happened, and not only are cabinet doors open, all the doors are opened also.

then Maytee says,
VAZQUEZ: No, he did not have any enemies. And actually, Lisa`s boyfriend was in prison for robbery and just got out of prison a couple months ago

While we know that BD has been in trouble in 2008, it has NOT been shown anywhere that he just was released from prison for robbery...that was HER son...not the ex.

Maytee then says: "The girl told the police that she heard the struggle at 11 at night."

Now it has escalated into a 'STRUGGLE" that Tiff heard a struggle whereas Tiff does not say that in 911 call, nor does she say it here.


Right now, in my book, Tiff has 1 glaring omission between stories and that is...I'll call ya back.

Maytee has a shitload of different stories. JMO

Couple things:

1. Maytee got her information via a third party, Sherita. We don't what Sherita told Maytee and we don't know what Tiffany told Sherita. Add to all that Maytee's imagination.

2. See that that I bolded in your post? Last night Tiffany said she looked in through the side lights of the front door of Lisa's house and saw a closet open. Perhaps she also said that to Sherita who conveyed that to Maytee.

3. Go to the end of this video, specifically at 1:54 and look at the side lights at the front door -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iinC2xRFM...r_embedded