(02-17-2011, 08:02 PM)Just-Curious Wrote: Something is up...your not telling the whole story!!! I don't care what ppl choose to believe, you know more than your telling.

Who's that directed to, TW?

Miranda, my deepest condolences. I can only imagine the horror it must be to lose a child - and yet I know that it must be even worse than I imagine. It was extremely kind of you to reach out to Maytee.

(02-17-2011, 08:08 PM)jash Wrote:

Quote:What is the meaning of them having phones 'on their body' as well as
'phone parts all over the room' ?? Any ideas

MAYTEE said that the phone was on his chest, his body. NO ONE ELSE...MAYTEE said it.

You've done important work sorting out the details of who said what. That's great. I just think that Maytee was not in her right mind, understandably and unless we have confirmation from police about who knew what, we don't really know what to believe. It's possible that the smashed phone was one of the perpetrators. There was perhaps an effort to destroy it so that records Couldn't be obtained. Fortunately there are other ways.

(02-17-2011, 07:44 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 03:59 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Many many pages ago I asked "How did Maytee know that people used
a key inside a box" to get into the house. "I have seen them do it
many times."

That still bothers me. Under what circumstances has Maytee been to
the Straubs MANY TIMES.

Anyone know?

Exactly. Why in the hell would she have been at Lisa's house, let alone MANY TIMES? I call bullshit. She heard this from someone else.

Or she is a stalker. Or she stakes out places.

(02-17-2011, 08:13 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 08:10 PM)JsMom Wrote: THANK YOU SO MUCH~ITS THE HARDEST THING IVE EVER BEEN THROUGH AND IVE BEEN THROUGH "ALOT"!!!!

I can't imagine. Just can't. :(

I can kinda see why M is "crazy" I went crazy a few times after buring my son and he didnt die the way these kids did! I FEEL SOOOO BAD FOR BOTH FAMILIES I REALLY DO! I know the hurt/pain! It eases up but IT NEVER GOES AWAY! especially if u seen it first hand! Like M/J did when they found their son and Like I did when we pulled mine out of the pool! =( HURTS SO BAD!
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I don't think she had anything to do with her son getting murdered!!!!!!!I do think she knew what he was involved in, that is why she was so worried about him...after not being able to contact him. If she was dealing drugs to the kids in the neighborhood....then she knew for a fact what Johnny was involved in...and repercussions to ripping ppl off and so fourth~ I feel terrible that she lost her son. OMG I cant even lie and say I know how she feels But stop claiming that he was a Good boy and stopped all the illegal activity, cuz we know that is not the case. Even his close friends said he was dealing drugs!!!

(02-17-2011, 08:14 PM)Kip Wrote: Miranda, my deepest condolences. I can only imagine the horror it must be to lose a child - and yet I know that it must be even worse than I imagine. It was extremely kind of you to reach out to Maytee.

(brought tears to my eyes) THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I just wish when it happened to me I had someone to reach out too! =(

(02-17-2011, 03:53 PM)jash Wrote: I have noticed on MAYTEE's 911 calls, is where the story starts to change and evolve...

1^st 911...Maytee state that this girl just picked up my husband and she said my son was walking out the door to pick her up and the phone dropped and she heard, who r u, what r u doing here. The girl said she drove by the house and it looked ransacked, and all the lights are on. Later, in the same call, Maytee is retelling the story again and says, "She goes out and all the lites are on and cabinets are ransacked."

2^nd call...Maytee says, "Tiff was on the phone with my son when he was walking out and she heard a guy screaming at my son. My son then said, "Who r u, what do u want, get away from us."
Later in call is when she brings up Tiff waiting 2 hours to call. As they pull into driveway, Maytee yells, "I have a feeling you set up my son, he's missing." Then she tells Tiff to talk to 911.

Tiff gets on phone and says, "I was on phone, we all hung up, they were, I called right back to tell him , he was yelling, "I'm on...Bro..who r u? Then...Called rite back and there was nothing. I texted lisa and got no response. After my friends mom got home, I took her car and now Johnny's mom is arguing with me. She then says, "They never showed up. I was calling (JC's phone) and it was ringing and then shut off all of a sudden."

As far as Maytee goes...she keeps adding to the story to ratchet up the emergency status.

1. MAYTEE, not TIFF..says the phone dropped. Tiff never said that but that's what's been put out there.
2. MAYTEE, not TIFF...says "They were walking out the door."
3. MAYTEE, not TIFF....says, "She drove by the house and all the lites are on and the cabinets are ransacked." Tiff said last night that the house thru the window she looked in looked fine and the only light that was on was the one on the stairs. Tiff NEVER said the cabinets were ransacked and all lights were on..MAYTEE did.

Second 911 call..

Maytee takes it up a notch and now says that Tiff was on phone with my son as he was walking out the door and she heard a guy screaming at my son...This is NEWLY added by Maytee cuz in the first 911, the "guy" wasn't heard at all.

Maytee then adds even more by saying that Johnny said "GET AWAY FROM US". Tiff never said he said that in ANY story she has told.


This is NOT the same story from TIff told last night. She makes no mention on here that JC said he would call her back and that's why she waited. She did not say last night that he was "yelling", but in 911 call she said he was yelling. So, the differences between her stories boils down to
1. She originally said that "he" was yelling..I'm on the....Bro, who r u? Then I called rite back and nothing. She doesn't explain on 911 WHY she called rite back again. did the phone disconnect? did johnny hang up?
2. She originally DID NOT say on 911 that JC said, "Tiff, I'll call ya back." This to me, is VERY important because this is her story NOW. This small phrase of I'll call ya back, lets her off the hook for waiting so long to call someone about what she heard. This smells to me like she has added this little tidbit to cover herself about why she didn't call right away. This is the one huge flaw that I say between her stories....did JC say, I'll call u back? Or didn't he?

Everything else that we blame her for changing her story on isn't really her changing the story...IT is Maytee who has thrown all that extra stuff out there, which is WHY the court of public opinion immediately jumped on Tiff as the culprit. Who wouldn't, when u have the mom saying she said the house was ransacked, cabinets were open, some guy was screaming at my son, the phone dropped....ALL things that Tiff said she NEVER said.

Maytee also changed her story on the JVM show...
VAZQUEZ: She waits two hours. She waits two hours to call a friend of his that knows me and tells the friend, "I think something really bad happened to John and Lisa. I was on the phone with them. I heard such and such," you know, what you repeated on the show earlier. "And I heard Johnny drop the phone. I`ve gone by the house a few times. It looks ransacked. It looks like cabinets and doors are open. I think somebody needs to call Johnny`s mom and tell them something bad has happened."

Now, we have Maytee saying Tiff said something bad happened, and not only are cabinet doors open, all the doors are opened also.

then Maytee says,
VAZQUEZ: No, he did not have any enemies. And actually, Lisa`s boyfriend was in prison for robbery and just got out of prison a couple months ago

While we know that BD has been in trouble in 2008, it has NOT been shown anywhere that he just was released from prison for robbery...that was HER son...not the ex.

Maytee then says: "The girl told the police that she heard the struggle at 11 at night."

Now it has escalated into a 'STRUGGLE" that Tiff heard a struggle whereas Tiff does not say that in 911 call, nor does she say it here.


Right now, in my book, Tiff has 1 glaring omission between stories and that is...I'll call ya back.

Maytee has a shitload of different stories. JMO

Things that make you go hmm.. Maytee is either a huge liar, or is hiding something..

(02-17-2011, 02:34 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: DCTim:
Have you looked to be sure? You may be surprised.





a rap sheet implies/refers to having been arrested.
i think people know whether they've ever been arrested. you don't forget that sort of thing.

No, the ones being copied and referenced here from Toledo Municipal Court list all offenses - criminal, traffic, etc. I was surprised how many items were on my "rap" sheet going all the way back to 1978...

(02-17-2011, 07:35 PM)Duchess Wrote:

If it hasn't already.

Yes. Which might explain recent desires to tamp down scuttlebutt. :O

(02-17-2011, 08:18 PM)JsMom Wrote: I can kinda see why M is "crazy" I went crazy a few times after buring my son and he didnt die the way these kids did! I FEEL SOOOO BAD FOR BOTH FAMILIES I REALLY DO! I know the hurt/pain! It eases up but IT NEVER GOES AWAY! especially if u seen it first hand! Like M/J did when they found their son and Like I did when we pulled mine out of the pool! =( HURTS SO BAD!

He's darling Miranda. Heartbreaking. I'm so sorry once again.

Something else about the 911 call vs. Tiff's statements here:

911 call:

"So I drove out to their house after umm my friends mom got home and umm nobody answered the door so I drove back by our house to see if maybe they went to his moms house and umm but he wasn't there and ummm so his dad called my phone and I was like do you want a ride out there and he says yeah and I brought him out here and now his moms arguing with me saying I set them up and you know their my friends and Im worried about them and I don't have and you know Im worried about my friends because they were suppose to come pick me up and I mean they never showed up."

Tiff's statements here:

"and after i left the first time i drove back and then called a friend whos boyfriend is johnnys best friend .i asked for the number she would not give it to me.she told me stay by my phone shed call me back an 20 minutes later johnnys dad called i told him what happened and told him i was driving back there did he want a ride he said yes so i turned around and picked him up thats why all the time went by."

"personaly i think the lady(Maytee) is crazy.i did not kno her i met her the night of all of this."

So in the 911 call, she wondered if JC and LS had gone to his mom's house, but they weren't there. How did she know where his mom's house was but yet she had never met his mother before? I guess it's possible, but just seems odd. And how did she determine at "his mom's house" that "he wasn't there"? I believe from Maytee's 911 comments, she didn't meet Tiff until the Straub driveway. According to Tiff's statement, JC's dad called and she told him what happened. Had she just gone to JC's mom's house and determined he wasn't there without actually speaking to anyone? Was everyone out of JC's mom's house but then suddenly they were home and calling her or 911 from there?

Had she met JC's dad before? Why did she offer him a ride when Maytee soon was in a car on her way to the Straub's? Why did the dad need a ride? Why would Tiff and the dad consider car pooling if they didn't know each other?

And another thing, if one of my friend's asks me to come over, says they'll call me back, and then they don't call and they don't respond to my calls and texts, I would assume their plans changed. I wouldn't be worried for their safety.

(02-17-2011, 07:17 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 03:09 PM)allieayy Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 03:05 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 02:57 PM)allieayy Wrote: HAHA.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I thought she'd like to answer questions here since so many people expressed how guilty they think she is because Johnny's mother told the police she said the cupboards were open and the house was ransacked.

She wanted to clear her name on a... public forum that only a handful of people read. What better place than here where thousands of people are viewing this page?

As an administrator, I am able to see page statistics which indicate there are thousands of lurkers who have not liked this page.

If she wants to clear her name, this is the perfect place.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub:
I might point out, after she answered the questions, people on the forum continued to discuss her and how they don't believe her, blah, blah, blah, and that won't happen here.

All that will be allowed here is thanking Tiffany for answering ...the questions, asking questions and apologizing to her if you feel that is necessary.

The person running that page is a buffoon. She does not have THOUSANDS of people viewing the page. She is a friggin' nazi and drove everyone off because she doesn't know how to manage it in a proper fashion. Thousands, hahaha!

she says that people there wont discuss her still being guilty...
its because they cant DISCUSS anything there. because she deletes anything she doesnt 100% like.

as a friend of lisa i find it utterly annoying that a woman who DOESNT even KNOW ANYONE INVOLVED IN THE CASE, has not only started this page but also banned people that were here REAL FRIENDS from it. like what is this woman even trying to get out of this?

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If I lost a loved one to murder I would be very pissed at some stranger putting up a FB page about them. Anyone who would do that is a nut. Probably sits around eating Little Debbies all day, "grieving" for every case on Nancy Grace.

Mmmm.. Little Debbies..

Thanks EastCoastKat
Thanks for the complete transcription of the second 911 call.
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Since I first read about these murders I've been gripped by the case, following a few sites until I finally found Mock, and I've barely gone elsewhere since. Like many posters, I was particularly struck by the contrast between the youth and beauty of the victims, vs the cruel manner in which they were killed. Added to that was Maytee's increasing panic in the 911 calls that led up to Johnny’s own father discovering the bodies, and Lisa’s parents having to cut their vacation short to return to the horror. It’s almost too tragic for words.
My immediate thought was drugs, and that Maytee’s knowledge of her son’s lifestyle and/or associates contributed to the urgency of her calls. My next thought was that TW was playing the role of puppet master (consciously or not), as she alone knew the supposed sequence of events, what Johnny did or didn’t say, and whether she even spoke to him that night. All of this information originated with TW; Maytee and others only repeated (with some embellishments) the story she told them. IF TW’s story is true it gives her an alibi, but it’s also a possibility that she created the story to exonerate herself and/or ZB and/or her boyfriend or others. I don’t believe she expected JC and LS to be murdered, but I’d be surprised if she doesn’t know who’s involved. I suspect that the only honor among the thugs she runs with is to a code of silence.
There’s been some speculation on here that the motive might have been revenge, which is possible, but I keep coming back to the scales and baggies that were found, which screams drugs to me. I doubt they were planted by the killers, which IMO leaves 2 possibilities. As it seems fairly obvious that JC was dealing drugs, he either felt comfortable enough to leave this equipment handy while the parents were away and didn’t bother to conceal it, or he brought it out for a particular reason that night, i.e. a drug deal. If I remember right, it’s been mentioned that TW and ZB were at Lisa’s house the previous night to shoot pool and were planning to do the same on the night of the murders. Hasn’t it also been mentioned that pool party is code for doing drugs? Could this have any relevance?
One more thing I feel compelled to mention is that children live as they learn, and with JC’s parents as role models, it would have been difficult for him to have followed a different path than he did. Now there are 2 other young boys watching the same role models, so let’s hope they set a better example this time.

(02-17-2011, 08:30 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 08:18 PM)JsMom Wrote: I can kinda see why M is "crazy" I went crazy a few times after buring my son and he didnt die the way these kids did! I FEEL SOOOO BAD FOR BOTH FAMILIES I REALLY DO! I know the hurt/pain! It eases up but IT NEVER GOES AWAY! especially if u seen it first hand! Like M/J did when they found their son and Like I did when we pulled mine out of the pool! =( HURTS SO BAD!

He's darling Miranda. Heartbreaking. I'm so sorry once again.

I understand this will come across as cold & callous but it has to be said. That particular conversation should have its own thread if you care to continue it, this really isn't the place for it. Thanks!

(02-17-2011, 05:28 PM)jash Wrote:

Quote:Her sudden command of the English language was also puzzling to me.

Hmpf!! I questioned immediately about whether it was the real tif or not because of her new found language skills....she said transportation instead of ride or car? And I was rebuked by a fellow member to not step on her toes so soon. *off to pout in a snit*

also, i must not have offended her cuz she answered most of my questions!

I totally agree with you Nash...I dont think it was her.

(02-17-2011, 06:20 PM)jash Wrote:

Quote:That is just so sad. Their strategy backfired in the worst way possible. Early in reading this thread I was thinking that if you have a daughter like Lisa and she gets mixed up with a Johnny, you put her on the next flight to Europe and tell her she's getting a dream vacation.

Well,you can't fault the parents for their "way" of trying to handle the situation because they ended up paying the ultimate price, didn't they? But, as I posted before...I went thru something similar with my own daughter, who was over 21, and I was prepared to FIGHT TO THE DEATH to get rid of the infestation that was this particular man. And he knew it. And I won. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT....for your kid. You can't play nice, you have to get dirty, you're in a street fight with a thug, but parents...YOU CAN DO IT! do it, so no other parents have to pay the price that the Straubs did.

Of course, I don't fault them. Hindsight is ²⁰⁄₂₀ and armchair quarterbacks are worse. I'm sure Lisa's parents never imagined THIS could happen.

I recall the story about your daughter and GOOD ON YOU!

(02-17-2011, 06:41 PM)truth be told Wrote: Johnny was loved by many, his biggest problem in life was his mother. For years neighbors, friends, and even family members have been tormented by Maytee's sadistic antics. We have all seen her selling drugs to youngsters and even allowing them to do drugs at her house for years. Everybody who knows her knows that she is pure "EVIL"...people really fear this woman! As a law abiding tax payer of Toledo, I want justice for these two young souls. Maytee, La Cubana, Maya or whatever name your using today: is all the lashing out on the internet because of your guilty conscious?

Hmmmm.


!!!!!!!

(02-17-2011, 08:20 PM)trixie Wrote: Maytee has a shitload of different stories. JMO

The only thing I think that may apply to Maytee embellishing, again is her desire to get police to take her concerns seriously. She had essentially the same story. An intruder interrupted a phone call that her son was on. No one had been in contact with her son, since that time.