(02-18-2011, 01:16 AM)curious Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 11:38 PM)jash Wrote: UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My son is in the basement, tied up with a towel (ph). I just saw him through the window. The police were (EXPLETIVE DELETED) earlier and did absolutely nothing!

Quote:UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Both cell phones are on the ground, and we can see the people. Him and his girlfriend are tied up in the basement!

911 OPERATOR: Cell phones on their bodies?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With cell phones on their bodies!

911 OPERATOR: She`s unclothed with (INAUDIBLE) pants on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She only has pants on! And their hands are tied!

I think everyone can agree that the "unidentified female" is Maytee as she keeps saying my son.

More stuff that bothers me...

1. She says, "I just saw them" Yet it has been reported in PRINT that she waited in the car while her husband and cousin went to see if they could see anything. The cousin comes running back yelling call an ambulance, call the police...so Maytee did not see them when she said she did.

2. I can't see any way where you would say the word towels instead of duck tape.

3. The basement??? I don't even know where the hell she got this...You don't confuse a kitchen/family room combo with a basement.

4, Cell phones on their bodies? LE did not report this tho they reported cell phone parts strewn all over...I just think this is completel fabrication

5. Lisa has no top on. Lisa's uncle has confirmed that Lisa was still in her uniform..she was not found undressed.

All of Maytee's 911 calls in my opinion are half truths and complete fabrication and exaggeration about what was said and what occurred, and what she saw or didn't see. I swear, everything she says muddies the water further and makes it more difficult to weed out fact from fiction.

There's also conflicting reports and the lights being on...if what TW claims is accurate that only the light in the stairwell was on, how did the cousin see the bodies? Guess you would have to re-create the scenario to find out...dunno but i get more confused with every post

someone brought up a good point, last night, & I really think it's how it went down. I think JC's father kicked the door in, BEFORE that last 911 call was made, where Maytee is saying she can see her son lying inside the house, etc ... As soon as he kicked in the door, & saw what he saw, I imagine, THAT'S when Maytee called again (the last time)

can't keep my eyes open any longer. I need some decent sleep!

(02-18-2011, 12:09 AM)kitty1 Wrote: She is referring to the house she is living at. She lives with a friend's mom. LS and JC were supposed to pick her up there so she went back to her friend's molm's house to see if they might be there. she is NOT referring to Maytee's house. BTW I think Maytee lives in a trailer and not a house!

(02-18-2011, 12:15 AM)kitty1 Wrote: Dad needed a ride because I don't think Maytee or dad have a car and Maytee couldn't go with them bcuz she had to stay home with her sons I imagine. Yes Maytee soon drove over but I believe they used her cousin's car bcuz you can hear Maytee on 911 call giving directions to her cousin on where the Straubs live so the cousin was probably driving.

Thanks, kitty1!

Lucas County Coroner James Patrick said autopsies performed yesterday showed that both Ms. Straub and Mr. Clarke died from asphyxiation. They had injuries to their necks but no other significant marks, he said.


Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found.


http://beta.toledoblade.com/frontpage/20...calls.html

(02-17-2011, 11:43 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 11:38 PM)jash Wrote: UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My son is in the basement, tied up with a towel (ph). I just saw him through the window. The police were (EXPLETIVE DELETED) earlier and did absolutely nothing!

Quote:UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Both cell phones are on the ground, and we can see the people. Him and his girlfriend are tied up in the basement!

911 OPERATOR: Cell phones on their bodies?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With cell phones on their bodies!

911 OPERATOR: She`s unclothed with (INAUDIBLE) pants on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She only has pants on! And their hands are tied!

I think everyone can agree that the "unidentified female" is Maytee as she keeps saying my son.

More stuff that bothers me...

1. She says, "I just saw them" Yet it has been reported in PRINT that she waited in the car while her husband and cousin went to see if they could see anything. The cousin comes running back yelling call an ambulance, call the police...so Maytee did not see them when she said she did.

2. I can't see any way where you would say the word towels instead of duck tape.

3. The basement??? I don't even know where the hell she got this...You don't confuse a kitchen/family room combo with a basement.

4, Cell phones on their bodies? LE did not report this tho they reported cell phone parts strewn all over...I just think this is completel fabrication

5. Lisa has no top on. Lisa's uncle has confirmed that Lisa was still in her uniform..she was not found undressed.

All of Maytee's 911 calls in my opinion are half truths and complete fabrication and exaggeration about what was said and what occurred, and what she saw or didn't see. I swear, everything she says muddies the water further and makes it more difficult to weed out fact from fiction.

I agree. I just want to know how she knows so much when she was
not there. Did someone tell her they might do that to Johnny? Was
that a threat she received? DId she speak to someone who was
there? Were the phones on the bodies and she or her husband are
the only ones whg know this? I do not think a parent would even see
a phone if encountering such a scene.

maybe i'm not understanding u but Maytee was there. She was relaying to the 911 operator what her cousin and husband were seeing???????

(02-18-2011, 01:49 AM)DickTracy Wrote: Lucas County Coroner James Patrick said autopsies performed yesterday showed that both Ms. Straub and Mr. Clarke died from asphyxiation. They had injuries to their necks but no other significant marks, he said.


Dr. Patrick said his office could not pinpoint a time of death, although it appears both died within six hours of being found.


http://beta.toledoblade.com/frontpage/20...calls.html

Doesn't this sound Mickey Mouse to you? I find it hard to believe they couldn't narrow down the time of death within a two hour or so window. It's not like the bodies were found a week after the murders.

Quote:kitty1 Wrote:
(Today 12:00 AM)kfran Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:53 PM)Jane Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:50 PM)kfran Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:46 PM)shitstorm Wrote:
No. Nothing has been confirmed beyond what was released right at the beginning. Cause of death - asphyxiation.

So we don't know for sure if LS died from the plastic bag over her head. It could have been that she was choked to death, possibly using the pants.

the coroner stated death by asphyixiation (sp?)

Jane, yes that is what the coroner stated. But asphyxiation is lack of oxygen, it can be from smothering or choking or strangulation. I'm trying to find a reason for the damn pants being under her head.

she was found with only her work pants on. i think that she was planning on changing into those pants to go out when she heard commotion and ran out to see what was going on.

makes sense to me.

We have to put several things to rest and not keep bringing up things that are false.

Death was due to asphyxiation due to bags over head per coroner. If she was strangled, death would have been asphyxiation due to strangulation of something like that. Strangulation would have ligature marks, bruising around throat, or the telltale hyoid bone being broken. Coroner definitely said she was asphyxiationwith bag, which could be used interchangeably with the work smothered.

Lisa's uncle has stated bluntly that Lisa was still wearing her uniform. he did not say just her pants. Or that her top was off. Her uniform consisted of a TGIF polo (I think they are red and black here, or red or black striped. Pants are black I believe. Lisa's uncle made a point of saying that she was still wearing her uniform and that's why he thinks they were killed shortly after arriving home cuz she didn't have time to change out of it. He didn't say she was in the process of changing, he said she was wearing her uniform..not half her uniform. I think we can take that as fact and stop all this supposition that MAYTEE brought into the mix by saying she didn't have a top on. Her uncle (who would know) says she was clothed.

personally, I think the guys walked right in behind them when they got home...or were already in the house waiting.

(02-18-2011, 01:45 AM)Jane Wrote: can't keep my eyes open any longer. I need some decent sleep!

Lightweight!

'Night, Jane. Catch ya Tom Snyder

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ban-Justic...2314713870

...mmmm interesting...

I think the killer/s may have been lying in wait, too. I'll reiterate - it was premeditated murder. First degree, not second. Not incidental to a robbery.

(02-18-2011, 02:08 AM)LedZeppelin Wrote: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ban-Justic...2314713870

...mmmm interesting...

It's getting ridiculous. Facebook wars over a double homicide.

(02-18-2011, 02:04 AM)jash Wrote:

Quote:kitty1 Wrote:
(Today 12:00 AM)kfran Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:53 PM)Jane Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:50 PM)kfran Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:46 PM)shitstorm Wrote:
No. Nothing has been confirmed beyond what was released right at the beginning. Cause of death - asphyxiation.

So we don't know for sure if LS died from the plastic bag over her head. It could have been that she was choked to death, possibly using the pants.

the coroner stated death by asphyixiation (sp?)

Jane, yes that is what the coroner stated. But asphyxiation is lack of oxygen, it can be from smothering or choking or strangulation. I'm trying to find a reason for the damn pants being under her head.

she was found with only her work pants on. i think that she was planning on changing into those pants to go out when she heard commotion and ran out to see what was going on.

makes sense to me.

We have to put several things to rest and not keep bringing up things that are false.

Death was due to asphyxiation due to bags over head per coroner. If she was strangled, death would have been asphyxiation due to strangulation of something like that. Strangulation would have ligature marks, bruising around throat, or the telltale hyoid bone being broken. Coroner definitely said she was asphyxiationwith bag, which could be used interchangeably with the work smothered.

Lisa's uncle has stated bluntly that Lisa was still wearing her uniform. he did not say just her pants. Or that her top was off. Her uniform consisted of a TGIF polo (I think they are red and black here, or red or black striped. Pants are black I believe. Lisa's uncle made a point of saying that she was still wearing her uniform and that's why he thinks they were killed shortly after arriving home cuz she didn't have time to change out of it. He didn't say she was in the process of changing, he said she was wearing her uniform..not half her uniform. I think we can take that as fact and stop all this supposition that MAYTEE brought into the mix by saying she didn't have a top on. Her uncle (who would know) says she was clothed.

personally, I think the guys walked right in behind them when they got home...or were already in the house waiting.

as i said before. lisa's uncle said she was still in her uniform. this could mean she was still in her uniform WHEN THEY GOT THERE. not WHEN THEY LEFT.
if her uniform, or part of it, was found nearby her body, he would know she was still in her uniform when they came in.

and i have personal reason to believe that what i just stated is the case.
also, if this was my niece, i wouldnt want the world to know she was half naked or naked when she was found either. so i wouldnt clarify.

(02-18-2011, 12:34 AM)truth be told Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 10:33 PM)curiouscat Wrote: Just wondering has anyone ever looked for rap sheets on Joe and Maggie Cromer, JC's uncle and aunt who spoke at the first press conference the night of the murder's with Lisa's uncle? I hope I I am not breaking rules, I am not calling them out as suspects, they just made themselves well known the first night and then disappeared. Is that Maytee's sister? Do you remember her, Aunt Maggie, seeming to almost laugh through the interview though media cut her off after seconds? Or her strange laugh-like, joker expression in the Toledo Blade? Maybe she was on xanax to remain calm....but.... They said he was so close to them that he was like a son...though now they have become silent and almost forgotten, conveniently invisible...this is not an accusation per say, so I hope i am not in trouble on here. I very much respect LC and the Dutchess, but with all the criminal records pulled regarding anyone we can find associated, what about them? I am not a great sleuth like many of you...so I am just putting it out there....can anyone do a search on them? Just a curious cat, who has felt bad vibes....

This couple is the only positive influence that Johnny had in his life. Johnny was like a son to them....you have no idea what they are going through. I can assure you that the picture of Aunt Mag was a bad editors choice to use (their tears are real and genuine). Maggie is the complete opposite of her "Evil" sister. For nearly 5 years Johnny lived with his aunt and uncles house while Mommy was no where no be found. Poor Johnny to be born into that enviroment. Things all changed once Mommy came back in the picture.

So for 5 years!!!! Where did she go?? Even Mormons only go on 2 year missions. Her calling must have been tremendous.

Quote:Doesn't this sound Mickey Mouse to you? I find it hard to believe they couldn't narrow down the time of death within a two hour or so window. It's not like the bodies were found a week after the murders

This is ridiculous. James Patrick has been the coroner for as long as I can remember,definitely at least 25 years. The position is political. I pray that the Straubs have money because Stooksbury is completely inept in my opinion and could majorly fuck this all up and they would do well to hire their own independent investigators...

(02-18-2011, 12:38 AM)shitstorm Wrote: Gang member gets three life sentences for two murders, kidnapping
September 22^nd, 2010 3:43 am ET


A 26-year-old member of the street gang International Robbing Crew received three life sentences Tuesday after he pleaded guilty to two murders and a kidnapping with bodily injury.

Mr. Daquan Stevens already was serving a life sentence plus 75 years for another gang-related murder and attempted armed robbery when officers linked him to the other three crimes, according to the Atlanta-Fulton County District Attorney’s office.

Investigators originally charged Mr. Stevens in a 60-count indictment with 11 other members and associates of the criminal street gang, the district attorney's spokeswoman Ms. Yvette Brown said.

The original indictment charged the IRC with eight murders, several armed robberies, kidnapping, and tampering with evidence, Ms. Brown said.

The gang, some evacuees from New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina hit five years ago, may have killed up to 30 people within a two-year period in an attempt to dominate the Atlanta crime scene, according to media reports.

The district attorney’s office provided these details on the three crimes:

Mr. Stevens and other gang members planned to burglarize Mr. Mamadou Barry, a Warehouse owner and business associate of Mr. Steven’s father. But when the African businessman returned home unexpectedly that November in 2005, the defendants hog-tied, handcuffed, duck taped, and suffocated (with a plastic bag over his head) him and left his body inside the bathtub of his West End apartment.

Less than a year later, gang members gunned down Ryan Harmon, a soldier who had just returned home after completing his tour in Iraq. Days before his murder, Mr. Harmon and his friends had a dispute with Mr. Stevens and his co-defendants outside a local nightclub. In the early morning hours of April 13, 2006, Mr. Stevens and his co-defendants saw Mr. Harmon driving and followed him. Mr. Stevens pulled out an AK 47 assault rifle and shot at the back of Mr. Harmon’s vehicle at least 14 times; hitting Mr. Harmon twice and causing him to crash.

Less than five months later Mr. Stevens and co-defendants held at gunpoint a man they were previously gambling with, intending to rob him. On Sept. 11, 2006, they forced Mr. Gary Lester into a vehicle and ordered him to call his girlfriend at their East Point apartment. While some gang members held Mr. Lester hostage in one location, other IRC members and associates burglarized his home, forced his girlfriend to strip naked and eventually took many of the victim’s personal belongings. The IRC members took Mr. Lester to a remote location, handcuffed him and tried to suffocate him with a plastic bag. But Mr. Lester broke free. Someone pointed a gun at the victim’s head but it jammed when the trigger was pulled. The gang members let Mr. Lester go at that point, concluding that it was an “Act of God” that he survived death twice.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-atlanta...kidnapping

See....They believe in God....There is redemption...

Quote:as i said before. lisa's uncle said she was still in her uniform. this could mean she was still in her uniform WHEN THEY GOT THERE. not WHEN THEY LEFT.
if her uniform, or part of it, was found nearby her body, he would know she was still in her uniform when they came in.

I still have to disagree. What does when they left mean? They NEVER left. He specifically stated that she was "FOUND STILL WEARING HER UNIFORM" this was important to him as he stated that is why he believes they were murdered quickly as there was no time for her to change.

I know!!!!!I was thinking that same thing...her fb page reads that of a different TW.

(02-18-2011, 02:22 AM)jash Wrote:

Quote:as i said before. lisa's uncle said she was still in her uniform. this could mean she was still in her uniform WHEN THEY GOT THERE. not WHEN THEY LEFT.
if her uniform, or part of it, was found nearby her body, he would know she was still in her uniform when they came in.

I still have to disagree. What does when they left mean? They NEVER left. He specifically stated that she was "FOUND STILL WEARING HER UNIFORM" this was important to him as he stated that is why he believes they were murdered quickly as there was no time for her to change.

the killers. when the killers left. not the couple.
lisa may have been in her uniform when the murderers got there. they then undressed her.
the uniform was still around her body so the uncle knows she was still wearing it when the murderers arrived. still supports the fact that they were murdered quickly with no time for her to change.
but by the time the killers left, she was no longer in her uniform. get what im sayin?

Quickly. Regarding the debate over Lisa's state of dress etc. I think Maytee said "he's shirtless" vs. she's shirtless, meaning Johnny didn't have his shirt on. That was my take after listening to the 911 calls. I may be wrong, but I thought her comment could be taken either way. Of course, I defer to those with inside information on this. Just tossing out the possibility.

Once again, my heart goes out to the family and friends of Johnny and Lisa, who may be reading here.

I foolishly keep checking in, in hopes of reading someone has been arrested.

(02-17-2011, 08:47 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 01:47 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 08:27 PM)tiffwill123 Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 10:44 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: I have to agree with LoveHippo and Doing40, and the eating my words part too. IF JC said he would call her back, when did he say that, because she says she tried to call him back. Why did she say she called and texted LS too, right after she and JC were disconnected, and says this quite frantically? She makes it sound like she did it right away and got no response. NOT even an inkling that it was an hour later!

TW: "johnny told me he would call me back.thats why i didnt call anyone.then when a hour went by and he didnt answer"
Versus
911
"i called jc right back to tell him I had to run to the store and that I would meet them at the house and he was yellen at somebody...like umm I'm on.. he goes bro who are you.. and I called him right back he didn't answer...so I texted my friend L's phone and I was where are you are you okay and they didn't anwer...

I texted L
The last I talked to you I heard him arguing..."

And for those who think that it's a matter of semantics or that the details don't count..

Any, any cop worth their salt will tell you...THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS

First, I have to give her credit for coming here and answering some questions, she either very brave, or has a set of steel balls. JMO. Do I think she knew they were going to be murdered, no, did she put her hands on them, no, does she know a hell of a lot more....yep.

Sorry, I'm just not buying what TW is selling....

(02-17-2011, 01:34 PM)Sean69 Wrote: [quote='Jane' pid='129315' dateline='1297963914']
I'm on a laptop today for a few minutes, so it takes me forever to post, lol !! Eastcoastkat posted something about Tiffany saying JC was going to call her back in an hour. Tiffany never said anything like that, last night.

More people are catching on....she never said that on the 911 calls either...

YOU REALLY NEED TO READ THE POST BETTER....JC SAID HE WAS GOING TO CALL HER BACK....TW SAID THAT'S WHY SHE WAITED AN HOUR, JC DIDN'T SAY AN HOUR TW DID! AND ON THE 911 CALL YOU NEVER HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT JC SAYING HE WAS GOING TO CALL HER BACK...

you need to read your own posts, then, before you hit enter, because that's not what you posted

sorry eastcoastkat but you did quote backwards on post #3633. you said it correctly in an earlier post but not on #3633