(02-18-2011, 03:10 PM)Red_velvet71 Wrote: Sorry if I missed it, but does anyone know what Johnny was doing, and where he was while Lisa was working that night?

I read on a Facebook page (yeah, I know, ugh) that he'd been with friends, up until he had to pick Lisa up. It was a female friend of JC's. She posted on her FB that she'd seen Johnny, with some other friends, only two hours before this happened. Have no idea if it's true, but that's what the chick posted.

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I know you weren't insulting her. Just wanted to pass on that she was not invited over that night.

(02-18-2011, 03:14 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 02:56 PM)JustSayin... Wrote: SM is a dear friend who is devastated by the loss of her friend. The message you are referring to told SM that LS missed her and wanted to get together soon. SM is a nice girl, and college student. I think she would have avoided the crowd JC had brought into her friends life.

if this comment was directed at my question earlier... i was never insinuating that SM was involved. i agree that from what i read and saw of her in the news she seemed like a nice girl and truly grieving the loss of her friend. i just thought that if what i had read early in the case was accurate that it could help add to the possible timeline of what went down the night of the murder. from what i read, it sounded like the FB message was possible sent the night everything happened. it would be interesting to me to know if that's true and if so, what time was it sent... it could give us a little more insight into some of the timing details.

sarbear.. i misss you! can we hang out soon!!
January 30 at 1:40pm

(02-18-2011, 03:11 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 02:57 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 02:27 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 02:23 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: I posted a comment earlier this morning, page 287 #4009. It's been quoted a few times throughout the day. A converstaion that Tiffany had the same night she was here answering questions & some of my thoughts.

I multitask all the time. I generally have about three conversations going at once. In some conversations, I'm polite. Others, not so much.

ok, this is another reason I find it hard to believe TW's involved. She's going on about life, as usual. She's not crying on FB, over-doing the 'sad person' stuff. I can't word, properly, what I mean, ugh..

I think carrying on as if nothing happened makes her look guilty, especially coming so soon after 2 of her friends that she says she'd spent the previous evening with were savagely murdered such a short time before she says they were going to get together!

could be, but it comes across to me, like she's not worried about anything. Hell, I don't know!

(02-18-2011, 10:15 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote: The following is Tiffanys part of a converstaion she was having on Wednesday evening at, or around the same time, she was on this thread answering questions (Notice the time stamp)

Tiffany Williams wth is jxxxx talking about.axxx i dont think your slow because i dont understand either.and i kno i aint slow so it must b her...lol
Wednesday at 5:29pm.

Tiffany Williams bytch dont get fuked up again..wyt ur smart ass mouth.u aint gonna tell me u got brain damage like u did cxxxxxx when she was gonna beat ur ass cuz i dont care trick..u betta reconize who ur talkin to.i aint no bytch...
Wednesday at 5:47pm.

Tiffany Williams shyt not this bytch foreal...shyt u betta ask jxxxx bout me n mine foreal..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!period..!!!!
Wednesday at 6:04pm.

Tiffany Williams shyt aint no scare dis way...bytch u beeta keep ur ass on da east side riverratt.....i aint pressed bout u or da next...@ rxxxx...u kno me..i aint pressed..!
Wednesday at 6:07pm.

Tiffany Williams idc where ur from ...shyt....jus ask bout me ma 4real..ill get down wyt u or da next....
Wednesday at 6:11pm.

Tiffany Williams Jxxxx U LOCKED UR SELF IN DA CAR N WHEN SHE TOLD U 2 GET OUT U TOLD HER U HAD BRAIN DAMAGE U COULODNT FIGHYT......HAHAHA...DATS SCARED
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WEIRD! She forgot to end the converstaion with a blessing from God! lol

I was dying on here the other night when the majority of the posters were telling her to write a book & do a book tour & take care of her precious babibois all the while knowing this converstaion was going on lol

Two things about Tiffany, One I believe the true Tiffany is the one on FB where she's comfortable. It's the difference between how you act at home (FB) & how you act in public around people you don't know (Mock) So the act the other night didn't fool me. 2^nd, as far as Tiffanys story goes, I put more weight on the 911 call & her part with all of the Ummms. That story was in the midst of what was happening where she didn't have much time to think. The story 2 weeks later has changed as Kat pointed out. Did she immediatly call right back? (911 story) or did she wait an hour (current story) As a couple others have pointed out, it would make sense for her to now say that she waited an hour because JC told her he'd call her back, as to take the glaring eye off of her & why she waited so long. I'd also like to remind everyone that the perps took some time to do this. If the perps walked up on JC, on the phone, with no knowledge of who he was talking to, don't you think that they would have been concerned that the unknown person JC was talking to may come by or call someone else (authorities) to come by & check things out? That bothers me.

Good stuff, right there, Freshbait.

I keep imagining the scene and it seems very likely to me that Lisa was going to be changing into the pink intraband pants (or whatever they were) when she was caught off guard.
That may explain why they were on or near her body at the time of the attack.
I know they were around her neck....but it seems to me she was going to be changing into them when this all went down.

(02-18-2011, 03:22 PM)Jane Wrote: could be, but it comes across to me, like she's not worried about anything. Hell, I don't know!

Shouldn't she be? If my friends were brutally murdered, and a killer or killers remained at large, I'd be worried.

(02-18-2011, 03:16 PM)JustSayin... Wrote: I find it a little strange that the only thing TW said on F.B. in reference to the murder of her friends was a simple R.I.P. message that morning. How do you not at least mention that you were at the scene or on the phone with JC? I.E. The friend JC was with before he left to pick LS up mentions her shock, and that she never thought when he walked out she would never see him again.

I personally think TW is somewhat use to violence, etc...Her friends were killed. There's no doubt in my mind that TW knew JC was dealing dope. JMO ..... It's possible she didn't want to get into details, of her being on the phone w/JC, that night, out of fear ??

(02-18-2011, 03:22 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 03:11 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 02:57 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 02:27 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 02:23 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: I posted a comment earlier this morning, page 287 #4009. It's been quoted a few times throughout the day. A converstaion that Tiffany had the same night she was here answering questions & some of my thoughts.

I multitask all the time. I generally have about three conversations going at once. In some conversations, I'm polite. Others, not so much.

ok, this is another reason I find it hard to believe TW's involved. She's going on about life, as usual. She's not crying on FB, over-doing the 'sad person' stuff. I can't word, properly, what I mean, ugh..

I think carrying on as if nothing happened makes her look guilty, especially coming so soon after 2 of her friends that she says she'd spent the previous evening with were savagely murdered such a short time before she says they were going to get together!

could be, but it comes across to me, like she's not worried about anything. Hell, I don't know!

I agree that she doesn't seem worried, but IMO her lack of concern is down to hardness and not to innocence. This is a person who lost one of her baby daddies to murder and then moves on to one of his criminal associates, so it would take a lot to rattle her.

(02-18-2011, 03:28 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 03:16 PM)JustSayin... Wrote: I find it a little strange that the only thing TW said on F.B. in reference to the murder of her friends was a simple R.I.P. message that morning. How do you not at least mention that you were at the scene or on the phone with JC? I.E. The friend JC was with before he left to pick LS up mentions her shock, and that she never thought when he walked out she would never see him again.

I personally think TW is somewhat use to violence, etc...Her friends were killed. There's no doubt in my mind that TW knew JC was dealing dope. JMO ..... It's possible she didn't want to get into details, of her being on the phone w/JC, that night, out of fear ??

I think if she was fearful, her page would be private.

Not sure who posted the comment from FB, but it wasn't me.

(02-18-2011, 03:25 PM)Countryside_Belle Wrote: I keep imagining the scene and it seems very likely to me that Lisa was going to be changing into the pink intraband pants (or whatever they were) when she was caught off guard.
That may explain why they were on or near her body at the time of the attack.
I know they were around her neck....but it seems to me she was going to be changing into them when this all went down.

the news article I read, didn't state the pink/black pants were around her neck, only that they were under her head. I also agree, when she was attacked, she was probably getting ready to change clothes, & put the pink/black pants on.

I think you would if you were innocent.

(02-18-2011, 03:32 PM)trixie Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 03:28 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 03:16 PM)JustSayin... Wrote: I find it a little strange that the only thing TW said on F.B. in reference to the murder of her friends was a simple R.I.P. message that morning. How do you not at least mention that you were at the scene or on the phone with JC? I.E. The friend JC was with before he left to pick LS up mentions her shock, and that she never thought when he walked out she would never see him again.

I personally think TW is somewhat use to violence, etc...Her friends were killed. There's no doubt in my mind that TW knew JC was dealing dope. JMO ..... It's possible she didn't want to get into details, of her being on the phone w/JC, that night, out of fear ??

I think if she was fearful, her page would be private.

any smart person would do that, I agree. OK, I'm just going to say it. I think TW is ignorant/stupid. I don't think she has enough sense to pull something like this off, w/o being cracked by LE. If it's true, she's only been questioned once, the day of the murders, I think LE has moved on to others, by now. Not saying she isn't still a person of interest, but I think LE has bigger fish to fry, than mess w/TW. JMO -- we shall see

(02-18-2011, 03:35 PM)onefortheroad Wrote: I think you would if you were innocent.

I think you might be quoting me, but I can't tell for sure. Will you use the "quote" function, please

(02-18-2011, 03:26 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 03:22 PM)Jane Wrote: could be, but it comes across to me, like she's not worried about anything. Hell, I don't know!

Shouldn't she be? If my friends were brutally murdered, and a killer or killers remained at large, I'd be worried.

(02-18-2011, 03:35 PM)onefortheroad Wrote: I think you would if you were innocent.

forgot to quote the post I was replying to...

(02-18-2011, 03:28 PM)Jane Wrote: ...Her friends were killed.

Yeah, friends and former boyfriends who reportedly broke into homes to rob and beat people. Such a coincidence!

(02-18-2011, 03:19 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub
The administrators of this page have been allowing people to bully them into NOT allowing people to freely discuss this case.

Not directed at you Freshbait.

Lady, grow a backbone. Who the hell lets anonymous strangers control their actions.

I have to say, I'm surprised with LE having been out to the home on the first two calls, that neighbors weren't checking things out. I can tell you that when I hear sirens or notice a policecar, fire engine etc. on my street, I am a nosey neighbor wondering what's going on.lol