I feel like crying. I hope Lisa's parents have some sort of faith
and that their faith can somehow get them through this
horrendous insidious dastardly unnecessary foul act.
May Lisa's soul rest in peace and may her family be enveloped
in love and protection.

No I dont know Tiffany...I know Maytee

(02-19-2011, 05:01 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:55 PM)heyyou Wrote: this is just a rumor 2 i do kno alot of people who know jc personally and i heard that key that says 544 is for i guess a storage unit that held a large quanity of marijuana and alot of people wanted it i just heard this so i thought i would put it out there but this is just a rumor that i heard

OMG, who friggen rents a 5 x 10 to store marijuana. It is all about moving it. I don't know, I'm from the west coast and it is plentiful here. Easy come, easy go. Is weed harder to get in Toledo? Does Ohio have medical marijuana? Nevermind, I'll google it.

very good point! "it's all about moving it"

(02-19-2011, 05:03 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:59 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:58 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:48 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:45 PM)stoof725 Wrote: can somebody message me and please tell me who this zb is???? id appreciate it

don't know if you're able to receive PM's, but he's a minor, under the age of 18. He's a person, within this case of characters. He's not a suspect or anything, though, as of now. He's a friend of some of the friends' of Johnny & Lisa. That's about it.

Im sorry Jane I disagree with you. If Tiffany is a suspect then that would make Z one also. IMO

But Tiffany has not been named a suspect.

IMO how could she not be a suspect... Think about it .... her story doesnt make sense. I will rephrase her as a "person of interest"

This seems so much bigger than Tiffany.

Was there a recent big drug bust in the area?

(02-19-2011, 05:01 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:57 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:42 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: Hello everybody. I don't usually post on forums but I've seen a great deal of intelligence and respect here.

I was born and raised in the area that this happened. I went to the same high school as Johnny Clarke. I know people who are loosely connected to the people involved. That is all I'm going to say about that.

First of all, Mr. Z is a minor.

Second of all, the police are not making any immediate arrests for good reason. You may have seen the movie "Double Jeopardy". You cannot try a person for a crime more than once. This means if an arrest is made and a conviction is saught, they have one shot of providing collected evidence to be considered in trial. If they jump too soon, and don't have a solid case with solid evidence, a jury may not feel proof has been 100% made for a conviction and once the person is aquitted, they cannot go back and try the person again.

Don't be mistaken and believe the people on here who say if a case isn't solved quickly then it won't be solve. That is completely false.

I have my opinion of what happened and will post it.

welcome! Am looking forward to your opinions/thoughts.

I totally agree....

Toledo Native please share your theory

(02-19-2011, 04:56 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:55 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:46 PM)Countryside_Belle Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:36 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: Before posting this I want to be clear on 2 things. One, I asked for guidance from admin about this matter before posting & two, this is RUMOR from a 3^rd party.

My brother has worked at a local restaurant/pub for years & has regular customers. One of his regular costumers is good friends with a Toledo detective. The regular customer came into this establishment Thursday night & was chatting with my brother when this case came up in conversation. He claimed to have recieved insider information from his detective friend. I do trust my brother however I do not personally know this other person who gave my brother this information so again, it's 3^rd party.


This detectives friend claims that Lisa was in fact raped & that her tongue was either cut or cut out. I know there have been rumors swirling about a possible rape & I also know that there has been speculation about where the "pool" of blood on her face/side of head came from. If this is in fact true it would account for the blood. I really hope I do not hurt anyone close to Lisa in relaying what I have heard. I was hesitant to post this because I do not know it to be fact & didn't want to add to anyones pain, however there have been other rumors or 3^rd party information discussed here & I also asked for guidance/permission before hand.

I truly hope that this isn't true :(

Holy fuck, that would be horrible if true. :(
And btw....tongue being cut out says to me "snitch"
Damn. Damn shame. :(
that and maybe to shut her up to stop screaming?

Thinking of the fear they must have been feeling sends chills up my spine!

OMG, I wonder if JC was mutilated? That would be horrible if it's the truth, and I agree maybe to stop her from screaming during the pre/post rape, I thought that may have happened, or to imply she was a snitch, which I don't think she was. These dirty fucking bastards took their sweet time, OMG this really makes me mad!!

(02-19-2011, 05:03 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:59 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:58 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:48 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:45 PM)stoof725 Wrote: can somebody message me and please tell me who this zb is???? id appreciate it

don't know if you're able to receive PM's, but he's a minor, under the age of 18. He's a person, within this case of characters. He's not a suspect or anything, though, as of now. He's a friend of some of the friends' of Johnny & Lisa. That's about it.

Im sorry Jane I disagree with you. If Tiffany is a suspect then that would make Z one also. IMO

But Tiffany has not been named a suspect.

IMO how could she not be a suspect... Think about it .... her story doesnt make sense. I will rephrase her as a "person of interest"

I understand what you're saying, but LE hasn't name ANY suspects, or persons of interest, yet.

(02-19-2011, 05:07 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:03 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:59 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:58 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:48 PM)Jane Wrote: don't know if you're able to receive PM's, but he's a minor, under the age of 18. He's a person, within this case of characters. He's not a suspect or anything, though, as of now. He's a friend of some of the friends' of Johnny & Lisa. That's about it.

Im sorry Jane I disagree with you. If Tiffany is a suspect then that would make Z one also. IMO

But Tiffany has not been named a suspect.

IMO how could she not be a suspect... Think about it .... her story doesnt make sense. I will rephrase her as a "person of interest"

This seems so much bigger than Tiffany.

Was there a recent big drug bust in the area?

I agree. Seems way out of her league, IMO

(02-19-2011, 04:55 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote: How do we really know if they were really there the nite before?
anyone know FORE SURE? just saying!

I believe the information has only come from Tiff, therefore it can't be relied on. She could be saying they were there the nite before if, for example, their DNA is at the house and needs to be accounted for.

(02-19-2011, 05:03 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: THE FOLLOWING IS MY OPINION

Maytee's reaction to getting a phone call saying her son won't answer his phone shows that she had reason to believe her son was not safe. I don't want to hear the "but she has psychic powers" bs. That's bs. She knew that she herself and/or her son are involved in dealing. Anyone involved knows that if you want to get killed, you mess with someone's money. Drug dealing is all about money, not making friends. She knows that he was either messing with someone's money or that he was being threatened.

Those of you who have said that this was someone who wanted to make a statement that "this is what happens when you fuck with my money" are correct.

If this is the case, Maytee needs to spill the beans, if she knew someone was threatening her son. She may not do so, however, if it means getting herself killed ?

(02-19-2011, 04:56 PM)concerned Wrote: Thinking of the fear they must have been feeling sends chills up my spine!

Those poor kids

Damn , after reading about all this crime in Toledo , I feel like packing up and moving . :(

just on WTVG. Could be related....TOLEDO, Ohio (WTVG) -- Toledo police nabbed over two dozen people in a drug sweep this week.

Police say 28 adults and one juvenile were arrested during "Operation Dirty Boy III," which was held this week in honor of fallen detective Keith Dressel.

Authorities seized more than $64,000 in illegal drugs and nearly $10,000 in cash. All together, authorities filed 37 felony charges.

(02-19-2011, 04:59 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:55 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:31 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:24 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:22 PM)concerned Wrote: Also Z would have been mentioned if was an adult

IMO with them being at the Straubs the night before they set up a robbery would in a sense " Clear" them from the crime because of their DNA being there. This is what I think they thought. IMo they set it up to be robbed and it went bad. The lapse in time was the "wtf" moment on what to they do now?

How do we really know if they were really there the nite before?
anyone know FORE SURE? just saying!

Yes, they were there the night before.... positive!

concerned~thank you

(02-19-2011, 05:09 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:56 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:55 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:46 PM)Countryside_Belle Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:36 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: Before posting this I want to be clear on 2 things. One, I asked for guidance from admin about this matter before posting & two, this is RUMOR from a 3^rd party.

My brother has worked at a local restaurant/pub for years & has regular customers. One of his regular costumers is good friends with a Toledo detective. The regular customer came into this establishment Thursday night & was chatting with my brother when this case came up in conversation. He claimed to have recieved insider information from his detective friend. I do trust my brother however I do not personally know this other person who gave my brother this information so again, it's 3^rd party.


This detectives friend claims that Lisa was in fact raped & that her tongue was either cut or cut out. I know there have been rumors swirling about a possible rape & I also know that there has been speculation about where the "pool" of blood on her face/side of head came from. If this is in fact true it would account for the blood. I really hope I do not hurt anyone close to Lisa in relaying what I have heard. I was hesitant to post this because I do not know it to be fact & didn't want to add to anyones pain, however there have been other rumors or 3^rd party information discussed here & I also asked for guidance/permission before hand.

I truly hope that this isn't true :(

Holy fuck, that would be horrible if true. :(
And btw....tongue being cut out says to me "snitch"
Damn. Damn shame. :(
that and maybe to shut her up to stop screaming?

Thinking of the fear they must have been feeling sends chills up my spine!

OMG, I wonder if JC was mutilated? That would be horrible if it's the truth, and I agree maybe to stop her from screaming during the pre/post rape, I thought that may have happened, or to imply she was a snitch, which I don't think she was. These dirty fucking bastards took their sweet time, OMG this really makes me mad!!

LISA may not have snitched, but the message is the same if it was Johnny/and or a mystery person in his life who gave info to anyone.....And, it would be even MORE hurtful to have the mutilation done to Lisa...same message though.

(02-19-2011, 04:59 PM)concerned Wrote: Yes, they were there the night before.... positive!

Do you know what they were doing there? Social call? Business deal?

(02-19-2011, 05:18 PM)concerned Wrote: Authorities seized more than $64,000 in illegal drugs and nearly $10,000 in cash. All together, authorities filed 37 felony charges.

That's not a big bust as far as drug dealing goes BUT it did allow them to get their hands on some people.

(02-19-2011, 05:06 PM)stoof725 Wrote: this is my opinion...
it has to 100% be someone who knew them... too much of a coincidence the parents were out of town when this happened. i want to know why none of the neighbors saw anything??? and i think personally its irrelevant what he said on the phone when he was talking to tiffany.... regaurdless if he did or didnt say "who r u" they could have easily been wearing ski masks.

Still don't know if I think they knew the perps. I don't doubt Johnny or Lisa told someone her parents were out of town, but it could have been that someone told someone else, & so forth

(02-19-2011, 05:10 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:07 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:03 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:59 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 04:58 PM)concerned Wrote: Im sorry Jane I disagree with you. If Tiffany is a suspect then that would make Z one also. IMO

But Tiffany has not been named a suspect.

IMO how could she not be a suspect... Think about it .... her story doesnt make sense. I will rephrase her as a "person of interest"

This seems so much bigger than Tiffany.

Was there a recent big drug bust in the area?

I agree. Seems way out of her league, IMO

I don't even know how this changes things.... A SOCIOPATH DID THIS.....and I have been saying that from the begining! I thought TW was over her head with whatever her involvement is, that she didn't know something like this was going to happen because when you play with psychos and sociopaths this is what happens, not just a plain old robbery, they are SADISTS! This doesn't change anything for my way of thinking, as I thought there would be more to this, the rape for sure! Look at the manner of death, this information changes nothing for me, except makes me mad as hell!!

(02-19-2011, 05:21 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:06 PM)stoof725 Wrote: this is my opinion...
it has to 100% be someone who knew them... too much of a coincidence the parents were out of town when this happened. i want to know why none of the neighbors saw anything??? and i think personally its irrelevant what he said on the phone when he was talking to tiffany.... regaurdless if he did or didnt say "who r u" they could have easily been wearing ski masks.

Still don't know if I think they knew the perps. I don't doubt Johnny or Lisa told someone her parents were out of town, but it could have been that someone told someone else, & so forth

True true... but im sure they were taking advantage of the fact the parents were out of town and they had that house to theirselves.... inviting people over, etc... especially if there were scales n such out in the open, im sure the parents had no idea that kind of stuff was in their home