(02-19-2011, 06:25 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:20 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:18 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:03 PM)Unknown Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:58 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Right, who are you and bro what are you doin are 2 different things.

Bro who are you? - For sure JC didn't know who the hell he was.

Bro what r u doin? - Could be both, I know you and what are you doing, or in the general sense of "bro", a man, what are you doin, see's the person doing something?? what was he doin??

So yeah I think it is important...JMO

Then after seeing a man that he didnt know and that man was doing something why would he be like let me call you back? why wouldnt you stay on the phone and let the other caller in on what was going on cause Id be scared as hell and Im a big fn guy with a gun. I'd be telln that caller hold on somethings going on or you need to stay on the phone with me or get the cops but no instead he's like let me call you back like its no biggy.

excellent point!!!

Or he knew them also isnt is spectulated that there is more than one perp? Bro is singular. Bros is plural

I keep thinking there was more than one perp, BUT Joseph Duncan subdued an entire family, by himself, up in Idaho, slaughtering all of them, except the two youngest children, which he kidnapped. He did, however, have a gun.

well if a person is in the house with a gun and your on the phone with your friend what do you do, keep yelln some bs or tell the person to call the cops theirs a burglar. I know I wouldn't be saying let me call you back id have that phone grasped to me for dear life as that would be my only life line.

(02-19-2011, 06:29 PM)Countryside_Belle Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:46 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:40 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:35 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:21 PM)Jane Wrote: Still don't know if I think they knew the perps. I don't doubt Johnny or Lisa told someone her parents were out of town, but it could have been that someone told someone else, & so forth

These are on the board:
"johnnys exact words were "bro wut r u doin"...and then he said tiff ima call u back.thats y i didnt call any one.he said hed call me back.after a hour of him not answering or showing up thats when i drove there. " Post 3098

"i could not hear what the other guy was sayin he sounded kinda far away but also johnny kept asking him bro who are you so he was talking over the man.i only heard 1 voice tho.yes the phone calls did verify. " Post 3111

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Read these post anyway you want, BUT IF YOU THINK THAT THE LAST WORDS OUT OF SOMEONE'S MOUTH ISN'T IMPORTANT...I don't know what to tell ya. All I know is what I thought and still do! Her parents left on Friday this is Sunday night

that's why I'm not sure if he really knew them or not. "bro, wut are you doing?" doesn't tell me much. And if he really said "bro, who are you?", that makes me think even more, he didn't know these people. UNLESS they had ski masks on ..

IMO the word "bro" when talking to someone is used amongst friends not someone being met with an intruder

Uhhh...I was recently at a concert and a young man who had a bit too much to drink was engaging in a fight with another guy he didn't even know- a lot of the context of what was said right before the fight got physical was :
"WTF is your problem BRO?!", etc.- A LOT of "bros" were in there.- In fact, that's why it sticks out to me, I thought the Frat boys' term of "Bro" while he was fighting was used waaaay too much before the fight turned physical.
Just sayin'.

exactly.."bro" is used like "dude" use to be used..Course "dude" IS still used.. I still hear it occasionally

(02-19-2011, 06:25 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:20 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:18 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:03 PM)Unknown Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:58 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Right, who are you and bro what are you doin are 2 different things.

Bro who are you? - For sure JC didn't know who the hell he was.

Bro what r u doin? - Could be both, I know you and what are you doing, or in the general sense of "bro", a man, what are you doin, see's the person doing something?? what was he doin??

So yeah I think it is important...JMO

Then after seeing a man that he didnt know and that man was doing something why would he be like let me call you back? why wouldnt you stay on the phone and let the other caller in on what was going on cause Id be scared as hell and Im a big fn guy with a gun. I'd be telln that caller hold on somethings going on or you need to stay on the phone with me or get the cops but no instead he's like let me call you back like its no biggy.

excellent point!!!

Or he knew them also isnt is spectulated that there is more than one perp? Bro is singular. Bros is plural

I keep thinking there was more than one perp, BUT Joseph Duncan subdued an entire family, by himself, up in Idaho, slaughtering all of them, except the two youngest children, which he kidnapped. He did, however, have a gun.

all good points. AND we don't know that the perp(s) didn't have a gun. although if there was indeed a struggle i would assume at one point there was a fight for control over the situation.

(02-19-2011, 06:30 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:21 PM)Unknown Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:09 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:03 PM)Unknown Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:58 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Right, who are you and bro what are you doin are 2 different things.

Bro who are you? - For sure JC didn't know who the hell he was.

Bro what r u doin? - Could be both, I know you and what are you doing, or in the general sense of "bro", a man, what are you doin, see's the person doing something?? what was he doin??

So yeah I think it is important...JMO

Then after seeing a man that he didnt know and that man was doing something why would he be like let me call you back? why wouldnt you stay on the phone and let the other caller in on what was going on cause Id be scared as hell and Im a big fn guy with a gun. I'd be telln that caller hold on somethings going on or you need to stay on the phone with me or get the cops but no instead he's like let me call you back like its no biggy.

I think it's possible, as the perp came closer to Johnny, he thought he could 'take them on' ... I'm going to say there was no ski mask, now .. Because if they had masks on, it would be more obvious there was trouble coming/panic. For some reason, Johnny wasn't panicked, the first few seconds. Just my thoughts

Johnny had every reason to be prepared and panicking, he knows he has screwed over people in the past and one day it'd come back to bite him in the ass. he acted like he could handle it and said let me call you back instead of call the police. This is one of the reason I don't think that convo of what Tiffany says never happened.

Put yourself in his shoe. Someone is in the house with a mask or not & your on the phone with a friend.. what do you do? do you keep say bro who are you?, Bro Who Are You?!, BRO, Who Are You???, BRO WHO ARE YOU!? you let me call you back?

Absolutly not! makes no fn sense at all, call never took place like that sound completly made up by someone who had to come up with something and not give to much info.

So Johnny wasn't a very nice person, was he? He screwed over a lot of people, in the past?? How? Drugs? Money? Jail snitch?

& weren't the bodies found in the living/dining/kitchen area??

All the Above

(02-19-2011, 06:31 PM)Unknown Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:25 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:20 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:18 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:03 PM)Unknown Wrote: Then after seeing a man that he didnt know and that man was doing something why would he be like let me call you back? why wouldnt you stay on the phone and let the other caller in on what was going on cause Id be scared as hell and Im a big fn guy with a gun. I'd be telln that caller hold on somethings going on or you need to stay on the phone with me or get the cops but no instead he's like let me call you back like its no biggy.

excellent point!!!

Or he knew them also isnt is spectulated that there is more than one perp? Bro is singular. Bros is plural

I keep thinking there was more than one perp, BUT Joseph Duncan subdued an entire family, by himself, up in Idaho, slaughtering all of them, except the two youngest children, which he kidnapped. He did, however, have a gun.

well if a person is in the house with a gun and your on the phone with your friend what do you do, keep yelln some bs or tell the person to call the cops theirs a burglar. I know I wouldn't be saying let me call you back id have that phone grasped to me for dear life as that would be my only life line.

we have no idea if the perp/perps had a gun, though. I just used Duncan as an example, that it can be done, but he DID have a gun.

(02-19-2011, 06:28 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: A few more things, once again this is my opinion based on the things I know about this tragedy:

1. Johnny knew the people who did this/were in charge of this

2. There was more than one person

3. They were either looking for a safe or just wanted it to look like they were looking for a safe while punching holes into the closet walls

4. Time tables need further research. To bust in, fight, cause enough blood to be all over the place, strangle Lisa with pants, possibly rape, tape hands and Johnny's ankles, tape bags over their heads, pull out central security documents and examine them, go upstairs and "look around", punching holes into the walls, etc. all this would have taken a little bit of time. Tiffany says she drove over in her friend's mom's car after she tried to call the couple and they wouldn't answer after the phone went dead. She would've saw something or heard someone talking. It would've been very quiet in the middle of the night in that neighborhood on a Sunday.

5. Police will let time lapse to give people the impression that they have given up and let the talking and bragging begin...

Tiffany had to have been in on it, therefore nothing she's said can be trusted - not what Johnny said, not when or why she phoned, not when or why she went out to the house.

Dont forget them steak knives that were taken as evidence. why were steak knives taken if JC&JS weren't cut. Humm. IMO He Stabbed one of those fuckers.

(02-19-2011, 06:34 PM)Unknown Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:30 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:21 PM)Unknown Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:09 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:03 PM)Unknown Wrote: Then after seeing a man that he didnt know and that man was doing something why would he be like let me call you back? why wouldnt you stay on the phone and let the other caller in on what was going on cause Id be scared as hell and Im a big fn guy with a gun. I'd be telln that caller hold on somethings going on or you need to stay on the phone with me or get the cops but no instead he's like let me call you back like its no biggy.

I think it's possible, as the perp came closer to Johnny, he thought he could 'take them on' ... I'm going to say there was no ski mask, now .. Because if they had masks on, it would be more obvious there was trouble coming/panic. For some reason, Johnny wasn't panicked, the first few seconds. Just my thoughts

Johnny had every reason to be prepared and panicking, he knows he has screwed over people in the past and one day it'd come back to bite him in the ass. he acted like he could handle it and said let me call you back instead of call the police. This is one of the reason I don't think that convo of what Tiffany says never happened.

Put yourself in his shoe. Someone is in the house with a mask or not & your on the phone with a friend.. what do you do? do you keep say bro who are you?, Bro Who Are You?!, BRO, Who Are You???, BRO WHO ARE YOU!? you let me call you back?

Absolutly not! makes no fn sense at all, call never took place like that sound completly made up by someone who had to come up with something and not give to much info.

So Johnny wasn't a very nice person, was he? He screwed over a lot of people, in the past?? How? Drugs? Money? Jail snitch?

& weren't the bodies found in the living/dining/kitchen area??

All the Above

Tiffany is claiming he said, "bro, what are you doing?" which sounds like you know the person and you know they are getting ready to do something stupid. Johnny knew his friends were stupid and that stupid people do crazy stuff. Especially for money.

there was blood all over the scene and IMO it was JC&LS it was one of the percs and I completely think there was more then one.

(02-19-2011, 06:36 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:28 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: A few more things, once again this is my opinion based on the things I know about this tragedy:

1. Johnny knew the people who did this/were in charge of this

2. There was more than one person

3. They were either looking for a safe or just wanted it to look like they were looking for a safe while punching holes into the closet walls

4. Time tables need further research. To bust in, fight, cause enough blood to be all over the place, strangle Lisa with pants, possibly rape, tape hands and Johnny's ankles, tape bags over their heads, pull out central security documents and examine them, go upstairs and "look around", punching holes into the walls, etc. all this would have taken a little bit of time. Tiffany says she drove over in her friend's mom's car after she tried to call the couple and they wouldn't answer after the phone went dead. She would've saw something or heard someone talking. It would've been very quiet in the middle of the night in that neighborhood on a Sunday.

5. Police will let time lapse to give people the impression that they have given up and let the talking and bragging begin...

Tiffany had to have been in on it, therefore nothing she's said can be trusted - not what Johnny said, not when or why she phoned, not when or why she went out to the house.

Cell phone records would confirm if they were on the phone.

Bro is common vernacular, i would not attach much significance to it. (assuming you believe Tiffany's acct.)

remember "don't tase me bro"?

If Johnny had his phone in his hand and felt there was some
sort of danger, he could have dialed 911. Consequently I
think he knew at least one of the intruders and thought he could
manage the situation. JMO at the moment.

I stick by my original theory.

(02-19-2011, 06:03 PM)Unknown Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:58 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:49 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:46 PM)concerned Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:40 PM)Jane Wrote: that's why I'm not sure if he really knew them or not. "bro, wut are you doing?" doesn't tell me much. And if he really said "bro, who are you?", that makes me think even more, he didn't know these people. UNLESS they had ski masks on ..

IMO the word "bro" when talking to someone is used amongst friends not someone being met with an intruder

"bro" is like "dude" IMO

Right, who are you and bro what are you doin are 2 different things.

Bro who are you? - For sure JC didn't know who the hell he was.

Bro what r u doin? - Could be both, I know you and what are you doing, or in the general sense of "bro", a man, what are you doin, see's the person doing something?? what was he doin??

So yeah I think it is important...JMO

Then after seeing a man that he didnt know and that man was doing something why would he be like let me call you back? why wouldnt you stay on the phone and let the other caller in on what was going on cause Id be scared as hell and Im a big fn guy with a gun. I'd be telln that caller hold on somethings going on or you need to stay on the phone with me or get the cops but no instead he's like let me call you back like its no biggy.

I agree 110%! Tiff, I'll call you back is totally made up, she never once says that on the 911 call and twice she explained that phone call to the operator, not a word of Tiff, I'll call you back. Who wouldn't say that?? I was talking with him, he was arguing with some and he said I'll call you back, TWICE she explained what she heard, yellin and arguing but not once does she say he said 'Tiff, I'll call you back. Used her name too!!
She walks like a duck, she talks like a duck, I think she as fn duck!

(02-19-2011, 06:38 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:34 PM)Unknown Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:30 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:21 PM)Unknown Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:09 PM)Jane Wrote: I think it's possible, as the perp came closer to Johnny, he thought he could 'take them on' ... I'm going to say there was no ski mask, now .. Because if they had masks on, it would be more obvious there was trouble coming/panic. For some reason, Johnny wasn't panicked, the first few seconds. Just my thoughts

Johnny had every reason to be prepared and panicking, he knows he has screwed over people in the past and one day it'd come back to bite him in the ass. he acted like he could handle it and said let me call you back instead of call the police. This is one of the reason I don't think that convo of what Tiffany says never happened.

Put yourself in his shoe. Someone is in the house with a mask or not & your on the phone with a friend.. what do you do? do you keep say bro who are you?, Bro Who Are You?!, BRO, Who Are You???, BRO WHO ARE YOU!? you let me call you back?

Absolutly not! makes no fn sense at all, call never took place like that sound completly made up by someone who had to come up with something and not give to much info.

So Johnny wasn't a very nice person, was he? He screwed over a lot of people, in the past?? How? Drugs? Money? Jail snitch?

& weren't the bodies found in the living/dining/kitchen area??

All the Above

Tiffany is claiming he said, "bro, what are you doing?" which sounds like you know the person and you know they are getting ready to do something stupid. Johnny knew his friends were stupid and that stupid people do crazy stuff. Especially for money.

I get that but why does he keep repaeting himself like tiffany says, saying over and over "bro, what are you doing?" so she couldnt hear what the other man was sayn. cause its BULLSHIT. She either heard what he was sayn or that shit never happened.

(02-19-2011, 06:39 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Bro is common vernacular, i would not attach much significance to it. (assuming you believe Tiffany's acct.)

remember "don't tase me bro"?

I agree, but what are you doin and who are you...different in my book! IF the call was made!

(02-19-2011, 06:23 PM)Duchess Wrote:

If that phone call actually happened as TW claims it did then he didn't feel threatened at all and felt whatever was happening at that point was going to be easily handled in a matter of moments.

that's how I see it, but I tend to believe Tiffany's story about the phone call .. He wasn't panicked at first, or at least not in the first few seconds.

(02-19-2011, 06:39 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Bro is common vernacular, i would not attach much significance to it. (assuming you believe Tiffany's acct.)

remember "don't tase me bro"?

hahahah! exactly!! He used "bro" & was fixing to be tazed, lol

(02-19-2011, 06:06 PM)RJs-Ex Wrote: Anyone check out ZB's mom's FB?

Yep, I have. Seems her hubby and her spend A LOT of time doing the game thingies on Facebook.
Of course, I spend a lot of time here, so......

(02-19-2011, 06:07 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:05 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:54 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote: has anyone else noticed tiff has not been active on FB for a couple days? i also noticed i can no longer find the RIP johnny page that maytee had going...

No I hadn't noticed. In fact, just read a sweet little convo between her and Corrigan's sister/aunt this a.m.? Not sure which. But, she is a Buck And having trouble with incarceration. Blessed be, why don't these individuals realize that in private convos might be less revealing of personal flaws. Lawd help me to stay off of fb. It seems to be a weakness of mine these days. The house needs cleaning. And my soul needs cleansing. BB (bright blessings) to all!

Buck?

Yes, Buck. At the following link, it listed family menbers. Buck is one of them.

http://www.hoeflingerfuneralhome.com/sit...69Corrigan

You know, the way I see it, IF Tiff is somehow related to these murders(which she obviously is), and the murders are drug related and/or gang related and/or retaliatory in nature then Corrigan's murder, less than a year ago, is a place to explore. And I am in no way ~shocked~ to find out that relatives or friends of Corrigan have had problems with the law. So, imo, although it may have nothing to do with this particular crime, it is all relevant.

(02-19-2011, 06:40 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 06:03 PM)Unknown Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:58 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:49 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 05:46 PM)concerned Wrote: IMO the word "bro" when talking to someone is used amongst friends not someone being met with an intruder

"bro" is like "dude" IMO

Right, who are you and bro what are you doin are 2 different things.

Bro who are you? - For sure JC didn't know who the hell he was.

Bro what r u doin? - Could be both, I know you and what are you doing, or in the general sense of "bro", a man, what are you doin, see's the person doing something?? what was he doin??

So yeah I think it is important...JMO

Then after seeing a man that he didnt know and that man was doing something why would he be like let me call you back? why wouldnt you stay on the phone and let the other caller in on what was going on cause Id be scared as hell and Im a big fn guy with a gun. I'd be telln that caller hold on somethings going on or you need to stay on the phone with me or get the cops but no instead he's like let me call you back like its no biggy.

I agree 110%! Tiff, I'll call you back is totally made up, she never once says that on the 911 call and twice she explained that phone call to the operator, not a word of Tiff, I'll call you back. Who wouldn't say that?? I was talking with him, he was arguing with some and he said I'll call you back, TWICE she explained what she heard, yellin and arguing but not once does she say he said 'Tiff, I'll call you back. Used her name too!!
She walks like a duck, she talks like a duck, I think she as fn duck!

Tiffany spoke with the 911 dispatcher twice ?