(02-20-2011, 04:08 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:00 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 03:52 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 03:45 PM)JustSayin... Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 03:34 PM)purplepegasus Wrote: I think 3-5 are reasonable, but IDK that I think Johnny messed with the money, I think it's possible this was revenge against Maytee or even possibly his dad. I think the people are involved in gangs, but isn't directly related to the gang.

#2 They absolutely destroyed the master bedroom looking for the safe.

I think more info needs to be looked into (and I'm sure it is) Maytee's activities, her husband's activities and the guy that got the longest prison sentence in Johnny's robbery three years ago. Did Johnny snitch to get a lesser sentence?

I said it before and I'll say it again...FIND THE MOTIVE, FIND THE KILLER.

I agree, Native, but let's say it was a robbery, someone looking for drugs/money. If that's the case, & depending on how many Johnny might have told, (bragged about a safe?) it could be a number of people. I wonder how many people, LE has interviewed ???

Yep, Johnny got some drugs and I hear there's a safe in that house and there gonna be there by themselves cuz that what the bytch said and her minor nigga, yeah...and we told Johnny to stay the fuck off our corner too. Yeah, fuck that punk and his uptown bytch...let's do it!

2.3.4. Edit: okay my imagination is whoohoo, but you get the point!

Okay TotallyCurious is rubbing off on me!! I admit it!

(02-20-2011, 04:10 PM)Duchess Wrote:

My Mom would go up in a puff of smoke if she heard me talking "gangsta speak" and that is no lie.

So would I!! My son is 24 in Grad School getting his PHD in English, he wants to be a College Professor. If he came home talking that tripe, well ... Let's just say it wouldn't be pretty!

(02-20-2011, 04:09 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:03 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:02 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: revenge murder doesn't involve robbery staging. you just kill them, perhaps sadistically.

Ok, LC so you are leaning more towards robbery?

first gut reaction. usually on point, but not always as i learn more facts and personalities--->
i think whoever that was at party night before heard about a safe with huge wads of cash in it. they came back for that.
why the cruel murders, i haven't decided yet. except i think Johnny fought like a madman for his life and Lisa's. but he was fighting to protect the house from the invaders when it first started. it escalated.

just my opinion.

LC, you have the law enforcement background, not me.

Tell me if I am wrong in thinking that it is vital to figure out why such a hateful, personal, torturous way chosen for the killing? If it was, "hey dude, grab those bags that are on the counter and look in the drawer for some tape", would be much different than the intruders bringing in the items with the intention of using this method of killing.

So find out why the method of killing was chosen, narrow down suspects?

Another view of Toledo
http://tinyurl.com/67t8wa8
ToledoBlade.com
Printed Sunday, February 20, 2011

Local youths hear message of hope, dreams
Democratic women's club invites young Internet sensation to speak
By ERICA BLAKE
BLADE STAFF WRITER

Standing before a room full of elected officials, local educators, and community activists on Saturday, Deonte' Bridges delivered his message of adversity, hope, and dreams.

Although his words were soaked up by members of the community's elite, the 19-year-old University of Georgia freshman wasn't really speaking to them.

Instead, it was the dozens of youths -- from elementary to high school students -- whom he hoped to reach.

Mr. Bridges was the keynote speaker at the Perry Burroughs Democratic Women's Club Seventh Annual Black History Brunch. A graduate of Booker T. Washington High School in Atlanta, Mr. Bridges was the school's 2010 valedictorian and the first African-American student to achieve the honor in more than a decade.

"Simply stated, I've had my shares of obstacles and heartaches," he said at the event at Gladieux Meadows. "But while adversity can cause some people to break, it can also cause some people to break records…"

Mr. Bridges' valedictory speech last spring became an Internet sensation and caught the eye of local organizers.

Made up of women throughout Lucas County, the Perry Burroughs Democratic Women's Club was established in 1942 to "study, understand, and perpetuate" the party's principles. Although the club works year-round to educate citizens on the power of voting, Saturdayit focused on education of a different sort.

Several schools were represented at the brunch, sponsored by local officials and lawyers.

At one table, sponsored by Mayor Mike Bell, students from a Spring Elementary School sixth-grade class came to hear Mr. Bridges' speech and present him with a handmade book of essays and poems in which each contributed something about Black History Month.

At another table sat several students from Scott High School, who presented a book bag and "Stand Up" T-shirt to Mr. Bridges. TiRhohn Sanders, 18, said Mr. Bridges' educational accomplishments symbolize what so many of his fellow students work hard for each day.

"The negative publicity is what is given the spotlight, but that's just a few," he said of his high school. "The majority have high standards, are on the honor roll, and are pursuing careers and college."

During his talk, Mr. Bridges noted the obstacles he faced in his life -- the death of his brother, his mother's leukemia diagnosis, and the time he was robbed at gunpoint. But he said he refused to use any of the events as excuses not to work hard.

He thanked his parents, his educators, and God for keeping him focused and noted it was his hard work that opened the door to more than $1 million in scholarship offers.

Mayor Bell said he hoped the message resonated with the young people in the audience, adding that encouragement to do well in school probably would reach more deeply if it came from another teenager. "They get enough from adults," he said. "Kids respond better to people who are similarly situated."

Also honored were local teens who embody educational excellence: Johnathon Bush, a senior at Catholic High School and owner of his own company, Not Just Cookies LLC, and St. Francis de Sales High School senior Keon Pearson, the first African-American valedictorian in the school's 55-year history.

Kenneth Brown, a 15-year-old Sylvania Southview High School sophomore, said he attended the event with his grandfather. He said he was encouraged to attend the event by his older brother, who had enjoyed it in the past.

He said that he not only listened to the words of the various speakers but took them to heart. "I thought [Mr. Bridges'] message really spoke to me to do better in school, to strive to do more, and to take advantage of the opportunities that are given to me."

Contact Erica Blake at: [email protected] or 419-213-2134.

(02-20-2011, 04:19 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:09 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:03 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:02 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: revenge murder doesn't involve robbery staging. you just kill them, perhaps sadistically.

Ok, LC so you are leaning more towards robbery?

first gut reaction. usually on point, but not always as i learn more facts and personalities--->
i think whoever that was at party night before heard about a safe with huge wads of cash in it. they came back for that.
why the cruel murders, i haven't decided yet. except i think Johnny fought like a madman for his life and Lisa's. but he was fighting to protect the house from the invaders when it first started. it escalated.

just my opinion.

LC, you have the law enforcement background, not me.

Tell me if I am wrong in thinking that it is vital to figure out why such a hateful, personal, torturous way chosen for the killing? If it was, "hey dude, grab those bags that are on the counter and look in the drawer for some tape", would be much different than the intruders bringing in the items with the intention of using this method of killing.

So find out why the method of killing was chosen, narrow down suspects?

that just reinforces my thinking. it escalated, murder wasn't intended at the outset. they used whatever means at their disposal, common household items.

and it is never necessary to prove motive. but juries like to know anyway.

(02-20-2011, 04:21 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:19 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:09 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:03 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:02 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: revenge murder doesn't involve robbery staging. you just kill them, perhaps sadistically.

Ok, LC so you are leaning more towards robbery?

first gut reaction. usually on point, but not always as i learn more facts and personalities--->
i think whoever that was at party night before heard about a safe with huge wads of cash in it. they came back for that.
why the cruel murders, i haven't decided yet. except i think Johnny fought like a madman for his life and Lisa's. but he was fighting to protect the house from the invaders when it first started. it escalated.

just my opinion.

LC, you have the law enforcement background, not me.

Tell me if I am wrong in thinking that it is vital to figure out why such a hateful, personal, torturous way chosen for the killing? If it was, "hey dude, grab those bags that are on the counter and look in the drawer for some tape", would be much different than the intruders bringing in the items with the intention of using this method of killing.

So find out why the method of killing was chosen, narrow down suspects?

that just reinforces my thinking. it escalated, murder wasn't intended at the outset. they used whatever means at their disposal, common household items.

and it is never necessary to prove motive. but juries like to know anyway.

Ok and if that's true, don't you agree that there would've been more than two perps. I mean, in order to subdue Johnny, who is not a little wimpy boy and without a bunch of marks to his face, and subdue Lisa, AND find the items in the house (kitchen) used to kill...definitely lots of people involved?

yes. at least 2.

KNOWLEDGE of possible things that might go down during the evening.
Prior to any bodies found.

911
Johnny's Mother: "I want to know where my son and his girlfriend are at. I want to know if they got abducted by whoever tried to assault them and rob them."

1^st call to 911 by Maytee was at ~1:21 am

2^nd call to 911~2:07 am

3^rd call to 911~3:50 a.m

http://beta.toledoblade.com/frontpage/20...calls.html

(02-20-2011, 04:34 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: KNOWLEDGE of possible things that might go down during the evening.
Prior to any bodies found.

911
Johnny's Mother: "I want to know where my son and his girlfriend are at. I want to know if they got abducted by whoever tried to assault them and rob them."

Yes, I see lots of people on here think Maytee knew something was going down before it happened. I struggle with this. I feel like she was saying this just to try and escalate the situation to 911 dispatch since LE wasn't doing too much. But, why, why would Maytee have used those words? Did someone threaten her that they were going to kidnap and/or harm her son?

(02-20-2011, 03:20 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 02:55 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: [quote='kitty1' pid='131744' dateline='1298226509']
Iv'e got to go put a heating pad on my neck!!! I'm not used to sitting in front of a computer this long!!

I don't stay, but I leave the website up, go do housework, feed the dog, cat and bird. I started a potroast for dinner, on top of the stove, real slow cooking, so I can come back and catch up, lol. My daughter called me and she always knows when I'm not quite paying attention on the phone, and she said OMG are you at that website again! Hubby walked past while I was posting and he saw the priest smiley that I put in one my post and said what's that, I said a priest, he said yeah, that's what your gonna need soon, an exorcism if you keep going to that site! Of course he can watch cars going in circles for hours and see's absolutely nothing wrong with that!

OH, I hope he is not a Jeff Gordon fan, as Jeff just got spun out. Wow,
wish I knew a man (single) who liked those cars going around in circles.
I know them all and my son will call me from work and say, "Mom, I
have a fifty dollar bet on these three questions, asking me who drives
what car, who sponsors or owns another car, etc." He has won some
good money that way. lol You can take the girl out of the country but
not the coutnry out of the girl. OH, wish for country. Go you Nascar niggas.
Does that sound awful or what? ROFL

Hey Hey glad to know there are some other NASCAR freaks out here with me!!! Been a fan for many years, but I have to say being in the pits on the Jr. Motorsports team has been the best high of my life!

LC (and anyone else) what about the early reports that the parents did not believe the bags and tape were from their house? do you think this was a mistake or false information? do you think the bags and tape were brought to haul away whatever they were there to take as some have suggested? or to secure johnny and lisa as they took what they wanted?

do you think if this was a robbery motive that they did not mean for johnny and lisa to be there? if it was someone they knew or were acquainted with i would think they'd want to enter when johnny and lisa were away to avoid being identified, unless murder was in the plans? (to those of you who will say they may have worn ski masks... there are other ways to ID besides seeing someone's face). unless it was someone they knew that "set them up" and sent people they wouldn't be familiar with???

sorry i'm rambling... it might not make sense as i'm typing as my thoughts come...

(02-20-2011, 04:39 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:34 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: KNOWLEDGE of possible things that might go down during the evening.
Prior to any bodies found.

911
Johnny's Mother: "I want to know where my son and his girlfriend are at. I want to know if they got abducted by whoever tried to assault them and rob them."

Yes, I see lots of people on here think Maytee knew something was going down before it happened. I struggle with this. I feel like she was saying this just to try and escalate the situation to 911 dispatch since LE wasn't doing too much. But, why, why would Maytee have used those words? Did someone threaten her that they were going to kidnap and/or harm her son?

Agreed. I struggle with whether she was trying for a reaction from 911 or if she knew something was going to happen, or if she was just completely terrified and letting her imagination run wild and speaking her fears. I think she knew she needed to have a valid reason for getting in that house and maybe thats all she was doing.

Is it at all possible they weren't supposed to die? I've asked myself that more than once.

Those kids don't appear to have a mark on them, no, I didn't see Lisa but I cannot imagine her parents letting her be viewed if she was flawed.

I think I'm forgetting a lot of what I've read & reading this thread looking for bits & pieces of what I question seems daunting. Was the evidence taken from the home listed? I recall talk of steak knives recently. Bah! I feel like the member that asked for cliff notes.

(02-20-2011, 04:39 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:34 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: KNOWLEDGE of possible things that might go down during the evening.
Prior to any bodies found.

911
Johnny's Mother: "I want to know where my son and his girlfriend are at. I want to know if they got abducted by whoever tried to assault them and rob them."

Yes, I see lots of people on here think Maytee knew something was going down before it happened. I struggle with this. I feel like she was saying this just to try and escalate the situation to 911 dispatch since LE wasn't doing too much. But, why, why would Maytee have used those words? Did someone threaten her that they were going to kidnap and/or harm her son?

very odd choice of words, indeed. i can't decide where i stand with maytee. sometimes i feel like she knows something more (even if she is not involved directly) and sometimes i just chalk everything up that she says to her being a little loony (and grieving the loss of her son).

people have been saying it all along and i'm going to repeat it... there is something that is just not right about this whole thing. it's unsettling... especially when you look closely at some of the possible players. i think that's part of what makes this case so intriguing to many.

(02-20-2011, 04:46 PM)Duchess Wrote:


Is it at all possible they weren't supposed to die? I've asked myself that more than once.

Those kids don't appear to have a mark on them, no, I didn't see Lisa but I cannot imagine her parents letting her be viewed if she was flawed.

I think I'm forgetting a lot of what I've read & reading this thread looking for bits & pieces of what I question seems daunting. Was the evidence taken from the home listed? I recall talk of steak knives recently. Bah! I feel like the member that asked for cliff notes.

this link mentions what was taken:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7940106

(02-20-2011, 04:40 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote: LC (and anyone else) what about the early reports that the parents did not believe the bags and tape were from their house? do you think this was a mistake or false information? do you think the bags and tape were brought to haul away whatever they were there to take as some have suggested? or to secure johnny and lisa as they took what they wanted?

do you think if this was a robbery motive that they did not mean for johnny and lisa to be there? if it was someone they knew or were acquainted with i would think they'd want to enter when johnny and lisa were away to avoid being identified, unless murder was in the plans? (to those of you who will say they may have worn ski masks... there are other ways to ID besides seeing someone's face). unless it was someone they knew that "set them up" and sent people they wouldn't be familiar with???

sorry i'm rambling... it might not make sense as i'm typing as my thoughts come...

I think it's vital to know whether or not the bags came from the Straub residence or were brought in. If they were brought in it is VITAL to know what kind of bags they were, i.e. clear, grocery, garbage sized, etc., in order to try to figure out what the intentions for the bags were.

I think LC's point is that it doesn't matter why this happened, it doesn't matter who did it or how, the DNA and crime scene evidence will be the proof for the convicitions. Correct?

(02-20-2011, 11:34 AM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 02:21 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 07:43 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 07:34 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote: I have gone through many of the "friends" trying to figure out the gangs. I see several people posted that Donald and Aaron were Bloods. However, most of the language and info that I have seen by many of the other friends indicates that they were Crips.

Also, I found a picture on "Toledo Hoodz" FB page that appears to be Aaron, Ronald, Tiffany, and 2 others with the tag “1200WALBRIDGE DUBBLOCC.” Check it out and tell me what you think!!

Dom DeLuca: "Loc`d Out Crip 300 Western BkLOCC"
Mike Jaso (aka Ikey Trill Loc): "SOUTH END 300 WESTERN BLOCC LOCZ BITCH"
Mike Jaso: "Cruzin t da hood w my goon ap getin dis money smokein dis loud" ---Notice he mentions AP (Aaron)!
Jesse Vargas: Do ppl forget what happends to snitches..? it aint just stitches anymore!! January 30 at 4:22pm --same day as murder!!

In Vic Dominguez FB, I found a picture of a group of people with "Nuestra Familia" written across the picture. Unfortunately, this pic was small and became blurry when I enlarged it to try and make out some of the faces. So, does this indicate that Vic is part of the Nuestra Familia? If so, how do all these people from different gangs hang out together? This is what Vic posted on Johnny's online memorial:

February 08, 2011
JOHNNY ITS CRAZY THAT NIGHT OF WATCHIN THE PRO BOWL U TOLD ME VIC CALM DOWN LIFES TOO SHORT N TOMMOROW IS NEVER PROMISED TO ANYONE. I LUV U FOR THAT CUZ U WERE MY ONLY FRIEND THAT ALWAYS LOOKED OUT 4 ME N WANTED THE BEST 4 ME. IM GLAD U WAS MY NEIGHBOR N I GOT TO SPEND MY CHILDHOOD WIT U. N IM GLAD WE HUNG OUT LIKE WE DID THE LAST 2 WEEKS I HAD WIT U. I LUV U JOHNNY N GOD B WIT U N UR FAMILY. CLARKE FAMILY IM SO SORRY N ASK GOD TO GET U THROUGH THIS. I GUNNA MISS U CUBANO. U WAS LIKE A BROTHER. U WILL NEVER B FORGOTTEN JOHNNY BOY.

So, they grew up together in the same neighborhood and had just been hanging out together again for the 2 weeks before he was murdered. Hhmmm....

According to Bre (Vic's girlfriend) and Vic, they were with Johnny before he left to pick up Lisa from work.

"I`m Glad I Spent Part Of My Christmas W. The Two Of You. & Lisa , I`m Glad We Had That Talk The Weekend Before You Passed. & Johnny , I`m Glad I Got To See You Just A Few Hours Before You Passed. I`m SOO Sorry You Guys Had To Go Through That. Your Both Forever In Our Hearts. Love You Johnny. "Live Everyday Like It`s Your Last , Because Tomorrow Isn`t Promised" Rest In Peace Johnny Clarke & Lisa Straub ♥ (Bre Aiken RipJohnny)"

Does anyone else notice "I`m SOO Sorry You Guys Had To Go Through That" as being a strange thing to say?!?!?! If one of my friends were brutally murdered, I wouldn't think, I'm sorry that they HAD to go THROUGH that, it would be more like I can't believe this happened to them! Thoughts????

"When I spoke to his friends, the house he was at before he went to pick up Lisa from work where he had been playing his X-box Live, he told them, "I`m going to pick Lisa up from work. We`re going back to the house. We have people coming over. We`re going to shoot some pool." – Maytee on Jane Valez Mitchell

So, these are just a few of the notes that I have collected....

I'm from the same area in Toledo that Johnny and his friends are from. These kids change gangs like you change your underwear. This isn't Compton, it's a fake wanna be Detroit. Girls change depending on who they are dating, etc. Toledo is full of wanna be gang bangers and wanna be big time drug dealers. I'm not too surprised if they are claiming one set on one page and another the next week.

I'm wondering how you know all of this. You're too articulate to have been in a gang. What makes you think these people are wannabees? I lived in Long Beach & Los Angeles, rescued dogs in Compton and south central, and they look just like the dirtbags out there. Someone associated with this crowd just murdered Johnny & Lisa in a horrific and sadistic manner. That's doesn't sound like wannabees to me.

LOL, thank you for the compliment, but yes, I did run around with gangs. I dated a drug dealer, which is why I know a little about how to be successful in the game.

I'm articulate because I decided to go to college after high school then chose to "get the fuck outta dodge" after I I had my kid. I didn't want my kid being raised in a place like Toledo. I saw some crazy stuff there and high tailed it clear across the country. Now that I've lived somewhere else, I can tell you that Toledo is definitely it's own deal...FUCKING CRAZY.

Yes, wannabe gang bangers and drug dealers will do something like this in Toledo to try to get some clout. When I was there, some of my classmates killed and stuffed another classmate down a drain pipe over drugs. This is how we get respect in Toledo. The reason I call the gang bangers "wannabes" is because in places like Compton and LA, you have the original gangsters. These are the people that live and breathe the gang life. Like, their grandmothers do drive-by's, lol.

Well, I sure know what you mean about the little white kid wannabees that exist all across America (and overseas!) but I'm thinking that hard core gangs have also moved around the country, as well. MS13 is in the midwest, ffs. There comes a point where this is no longer emulation but the real deal. Looking at Tiffany's mother shows me that Tiffany is (at least) second generation. I'm also really interested in Maytee's origins. Considering she's Cuban, my mind keeps returning to south Florida and THAT bunch of Cubans that came over during the Carter administration. I would also point out that looking at all of the FM and MySpace pages will show that these people are NOT white kid wannabees. Some of that shit looks, to borrow a phrase, straight out of Compton. In a span of just 10 years, things can really change and I would not underestimate the degree of what Toledo is dealing with. jmho, of course.

I'd like to add, here, since we're all discussing this stuff, if people have not seen the film 'Colors', go rent it. It's not over the top, at all, and it is a very accurate representation of real life gang culture.

Unfortunately the real criminals - the people who stalked the home and set
up the hit- were not there so will not get punished in any way by LE.

Their debt may be paid, but not by money or items in safes.

This is how I think it may have gone down.

TW and the minor and a few others were there the night before. They saw the house. They knew Johnny had some drugs, maybe weed and percocets, and they hear or suspect there's a safe in that house and Johnny and Lisa are going to be there by themselves(probably hearing it from TW and/or her minor friend). TW and the minor were suppose to be the only ones invited over that night, that's what TW said. Plus TW may have been stalling or checking where Johnny and Lisa were, for whom ever, with her call back about running to the store. IMO. Johnny also could have stepped on drug dealing punk's toes by selling some of his wares in an area he wasn't suppose to, and before picking up Lisa from work he was hanging around with old neighborhood friends watching the ProBowl, so it is a possibility, all those neighborhood thugs have their areas and they don't want anybody else stepping in. TW and the minor are well aware of who these homies are, JMO.

Now, once in, you don't need more than 2, if they stuck a knife to Lisa's throat Johnny may have complied instead of resisting, it happens all the time and people wonder how did the subdue those big guys, that's how!

This is the part where they bit off more than they could chew, at least one of them was sociopath, a sadist, psycho who went too far...

What do you think Lady Cop??