(02-21-2011, 02:51 PM)Nina Wrote: OK, I think Johnny's mom is a little off too and some of her posts on FB etc seem pretty whack - however I really have no idea how I would react if something this horrific happened to me --------AND neither do you. My dad had a heart attack (that turned out NOT to be be fatal) and even I was surprised at my reacton - I literally freaked out trying to get to the hospital - Panic attack? Mind numbing fear? I don't know but I certainly didn't act like I would have guessed I might act if someone told me he was being rushed to the hospital. I was too scared to be rational so I can only imagine how this mother might have felt. And if you don't have teenagers - let me clue you into something......... A LOT of good kids from good families do drugs. And if they don't do them, they know and probably hang out with kids that do. I admit these kids do seem a little more "gangsta" than most but sadly a lot of kids today are street savvy. I would say MOST of them spoke pot - it is a social norm just like it was in the 70s.

Maytee does not act like I think I would act - like anyone I know would react - however sounds like she lives in a different world than me so I can't judge other than to say it sounds like she would benefit from some meds right now. But to all of you that are implying or flat out saying that she was involved in this - you are entitled to your opinion but that IS CRAZY! SHE IS NOT INVOLVED IN THIS. If you've ever had a teenager , you probably know the gnawing fear you get when your phone rings late at night - you always worry about them. Most kids would NEVER call a parent in the middle of the night unless it was very serious - and you can bet your ass that if one of my sons' friends called me at 2am even suggesting there might be a problem , I would panic and freak out as much or more than Maytee was.

All that being said, I do think TW is involved. At the very least she knows who did it, but I think she is more involved than that. If I had to guess, I'd say it was her bf and some of his friends that did this. This pregnant girl with 3 kids and prob a min wage job is out with friends "spoiling" themselves at the mall 2 days after this robbery is a lot more suspicious than Maytee's behavior. When her bf died a few months before this incident she constantly commented about it on FB but she's only made one minor reference to her 2 friends dying so terribly - she was the last "friend" to speak to these kids and should be traumatized but she is obviously not. I guess we'll have to wait and see..........

+1

(02-21-2011, 03:10 PM)trixie Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:17 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:14 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:02 PM)Jane Wrote: just listened to the 911 call again. Maytee says "the car is in the driveway".. she's says it twice

edited to add - it's where you can tell Maytee is getting pissed off w/the dispatcher ... Lisa's car WAS in the driveway

Well I guess its the driveway then thanks

definately in the driveway, per Maytee & Tiffany, so far.

Just wanted to quote this because there has been so much speculation on where the car actually was.

"The car is in the driveway."
OK. If my son was at his girl friend's and I saw the car, I would
suppose that they went out with someone else which is why
they did not answer the door or phone. There are places in Ohio
that do not get cell service regularly. Basement clubs do not
get cell phone signals. The last party I went to they asked us
to seal our phones in a locker (we had the key) as they did
not want photos taken at the party.

This is what would have gone through my mind given the
circumstances.

So

All I can deduce is that Maytee knew that Johnny did not leave
the house and she and John wanted to get to him asap Whether it
be to save him, get something from him, get info from him...
who knows....

(02-21-2011, 03:07 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 02:56 PM)shitstorm Wrote: (especially considering what sort of shit Maytee may have known Johnny was up to).

That's why I worded my post the way I did. Something is just too odd, other than the obvious that is. I don't think the mother was involved with the death of her son but, she jumped to conclusions immediately and she was very firm about it. That family continues to profess his innocence, to state that he was on the right path, his life had turned around, blah, blah, fuckin' blah, yet she immediately has a sense of foreboding that night. I'd love for her to come in here & explain that.

JC's family knew.

I posted this yesterday, it was on the Injustice Lisa Straub page:

Kassa Nova Your obviously a dumb ass bitch who knows nothing about johnny. Lisa lived in rich ville where she was able to pull the wool over her parents EYES! You are a cunt and will rot in hell for what you are doing to ONE family, while the other is sitting there BELIEVING that lisa's exboyfriend and friends arent SUSPECTS.
~~~~~~~~
Just another reason why I think Maytee, Johnny's father and the rest of their family KNEW what Johnny was up to, into, to say Lisa was able to pull the wool over her parent's eyes - implies that Johnny wasn't because his parents are streetwise and drugwise and knew what he was up too, JMO. - And Maytee's niece posted on there and she said, Lisa had problems for a long time and was into drugs too, hmmm well, somehow by saying that it tells me that Johnny's whole damn family knew what was going on with the drug business that Johnny and Lisa were involved with...JMO

(02-21-2011, 03:29 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 03:10 PM)trixie Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:17 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:14 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:02 PM)Jane Wrote: just listened to the 911 call again. Maytee says "the car is in the driveway".. she's says it twice

edited to add - it's where you can tell Maytee is getting pissed off w/the dispatcher ... Lisa's car WAS in the driveway

Well I guess its the driveway then thanks

definately in the driveway, per Maytee & Tiffany, so far.

Just wanted to quote this because there has been so much speculation on where the car actually was.

"The car is in the driveway."
OK. If my son was at his girl friend's and I saw the car, I would
suppose that they went out with someone else which is why
they did not answer the door or phone. There are places in Ohio
that do not get cell service regularly. Basement clubs do not
get cell phone signals. The last party I went to they asked us
to seal our phones in a locker (we had the key) as they did
not want photos taken at the party.

This is what would have gone through my mind given the
circumstances.

So

All I can deduce is that Maytee knew that Johnny did not leave
the house and she and John wanted to get to him asap Whether it
be to save him, get something from him, get info from him...
who knows....

So if someone called you and said your son was supposed to go pick up his friend, and she heard him questioning who some guy was or why he was there (whatever was said) and heard that guy yelling back and then wasn't answering your phone calls or texts, you would just blow it off and take it as him being out with other friends? I highly doubt it.

(02-21-2011, 02:15 PM)kitty1 Wrote: did Tiff state on here that the police had questioned her 2 times? Anybody recall?

On her baby dad's page he said they questioned her every day at the
beginning.

(02-21-2011, 03:04 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 06:40 AM)pspence Wrote: Forgive me, but I've read your post over and over and find it fascinating but still don't totally get what you are trying to say...I'm thinking that you think M maybe snitched on on T and that is why you think M suspected her of being in a setup but what I don't get is when you said "why didn't M or husband drive the family van over"... I don't think for a second that M could have been involved in anyway wanting her son involved...bottom line no matter of anything else, she loves him more than life itself...please clue me in and pardon my being dense if I'm not getting the obvious...

I'm a ways back in the thread so maybe this has been addressed:

It seems you discount Tiffany or Maytee being involved. You do realize these people all have records and are surrounded by hoodrats and gangsters, right?

What was the pic you posted supposed to mean? Looked like a town on the Mediterranean. I don't get it.

She is friends with Tiffany on FB and believes Tiffany was not involved.

Edit: picture I haven't a clue???

(02-21-2011, 03:38 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 02:15 PM)kitty1 Wrote: did Tiff state on here that the police had questioned her 2 times? Anybody recall?

On her baby dad's page he said they questioned her every day at the
beginning.

Yep he (AG/AP) said that, I read it. He said on the Justice for JC & LS page too.

(02-21-2011, 10:24 AM)notsure Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:54 AM)HeartBreaker Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:51 AM)cjcisneros Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:39 AM)kfran Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:32 AM)curious Wrote: Come on people, look at the posts from people who have direct insight into the case, which if you don't catch the fact almost every single detail that's been posted has been accounted for, then I suggest going back through EVERY single thread... combined with the evidence at hand and the dissaociation b/w the two families and the fact the FBI are involved, given the most recent news regarding whine invastions resulting from drug deals gone bad and revenge type killings...impo, this case is far from being resolved but impo, the motive behind it is there, but finding the perps involved may never be resolved. As I've stated all along, I think the "key" lies in the hands of four people, all of which have more street knowledge than common sense, which is much more beneficial when dealing with a crime of this nature. Let's not discount the details that impo clearly hold credence with the facts and overall insight to the details of the crime.

Obviously most of the information has not been reported by LE and it's not going to be until all the ducks are in a row...remember if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

So let's review...and we're all adults and capable of going back through threads, so not going to specifically reference them unless requested by LC or Dutchess...and please note this is my solely my opinion...

- Maytee's husband was reportedly busted driving a truck load of herion, combined with the rumored info
- TW is a reported heroin dealer
- Rumored Lisa's tongue had been cut in some fashion and
several references by Maytee in regards to tongue abuse on perps
- it's been posted neighbors recall seeing a white van at the strains house in the days leading up to the murders, followed by another post questioning why Maytee didn't drive the family van to the home in the night of the murders - ummm
- Maytee makes a point to mention a key in the garage that lots of people know about which is used to gain entrance to the home and ironically evidence was published by LW that a key was
found under the body of LS
- immediate reaction, rather over-reaction of Maytee to throw TW under the bus...suspicious at best and obvious derailment at most
- FINDING IT OKAY FOR YOUR HUSBAND TO RIDE IN THE CAR TO WITH THE PERSON WHO YOU CLAIM SET-UP THE MURDERS NOT 20 MIN LATER??
- there's a big fat reason why the two families are not in communication with each other and haven't been since the on-set
- if you had a good relationship with your family, you certainly don't need a FB page to try and express it!!

I could go on and on, but for the sake of the obvious being blatantly clear impo, the case is going to hit closer to home than we all would like to think.

-

and the reference to the tongue being cut out
-

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I was starting to lose my mind w/all the repeat questions the last couple of days. People please read this thread from the beginning. We've already discussed the 5-4-4 key, the interband pants, the endless FB pages, the white van, blah blah blah. Please stop asking repeat questions & just read this thread from the beginning- yes all 400 pages.

I was saying the same thing ! It took me along time to read all and I had to go back to some and actually made notes ! I have been curious about this story from the beginning and it seems like it may be a while -if at all - that we know all the facts.

i about had a fit this morning when i read that someone had asked what time lisa got off work when we had just discussed it only hours before. READ people READ!!! repeated questions are only making this thread longer and more tedious to go through!

sorry, i was a few pages behind. btw, take it easy, they aren't giving daytime emmys here. with my question about the time she got off work. After reading further it still hasn't been established by anyone who knew lisa what time she got off work. I want emperical evidence showing what time she got off work. its very important to 1^st establish a true timeline of events. not guesses, but someone who she works with say she got in the car with Mr. Clarke at 10:06 pm. we all know what that establishes with tiff's 11:00 call then. (of course unknown's comment about the lights on 1^st time cops come, off the 2^nd throws a wrench)

Unfortunately, just about nothing (in terms of facts and evidence) has been revealed by LE. We've got 400 pages of people shooting the shit, essentially. We're addicted to the thread. Because I know I get sick of endless speculation about the key, where the car was parked, were they really walking out the door, etc, because WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING and have concocted every conceivable theory, I found the posters who gave us background on Toledo to be really interesting. I like to get a picture of this in a larger context. It's more like a book that way and we get away from the minutia that we just don't know the facts about. Short of Mockers hiring a private investigator to go an dig more up, we can't know what time Lisa punched out, etc. I'm surprised that we haven't seen anyone who worked at Fridays come forward with some info.

Hi. This is my first comment but have been paying close attention to mock for about a week now and have been following the case since the next day of the murders. Just wanted to say pay attention to V.D. and B, the girlfriend of V.D. The alleged friends of Johnny, the ones he watched the pro bowl with. Pay attention to the crowd they hang with on FB. and the pics on FB. Pay attention to M.J. I know this gang on the 300 Western Blocc, or block as I like to spell it. It's a rough crowd in a rough hood. They don't play. If you read on M.J. FB wall around his C-day or B-day, birthday as I like to call it because I'm not a crip or any gang for that matter. Notice how V.D. tells M.J. on his FB wall happy C-day and to get a hold of him on some new digits cuz V.D. doesn't have a "fone" anymore. Weren't there more than one phone at the crime scene? I thought I heard of a phone on Johnnys body and phones strewn across the rooms at the crime scene. Just thought that was interesting.

welcome toledoarea and thanks for joining in~

(02-21-2011, 03:49 PM)toledoarea Wrote: Hi. This is my first comment but have been paying close attention to mock for about a week now and have been following the case since the next day of the murders. Just wanted to say pay attention to V.D. and B, the girlfriend of V.D. The alleged friends of Johnny, the ones he watched the pro bowl with. Pay attention to the crowd they hang with on FB. and the pics on FB. Pay attention to M.J. I know this gang on the 300 Western Blocc, or block as I like to spell it. It's a rough crowd in a rough hood. They don't play. If you read on M.J. FB wall around his C-day or B-day, birthday as I like to call it because I'm not a crip or any gang for that matter. Notice how V.D. tells M.J. on his FB wall happy C-day and to get a hold of him on some new digits cuz V.D. doesn't have a "fone" anymore. Weren't there more than one phone at the crime scene? I thought I heard of a phone on Johnnys body and phones strewn across the rooms at the crime scene. Just thought that was interesting.

Hi and welcome, I'm just curious, did you know Johnny or Lisa - not sure why but, I just have a feeling that you did, am I right? Do you know the circle of friends they ran around with by chance?

You're not obligated by no means to answer, so just ignore it if you don't feel like answering. I understand, thanks

I didn't know Johnny or Lisa. I am a friend of the Clarke's. Met John Sr. once. I am a friend of John Sr. side of the family. I don't know anymore about this case than anyone else. Just trying to point out those people that I mentioned in my previous comment. I think they are key. Kinda funny how V.D. disappears for a week after the murders and all of a sudden he doesn't have a phone. Look at M.J. wall around his birthday. V.D. leaves an interesting comment.

(02-21-2011, 03:10 PM)trixie Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:17 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:14 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:02 PM)Jane Wrote: just listened to the 911 call again. Maytee says "the car is in the driveway".. she's says it twice

edited to add - it's where you can tell Maytee is getting pissed off w/the dispatcher ... Lisa's car WAS in the driveway

Well I guess its the driveway then thanks

definately in the driveway, per Maytee & Tiffany, so far.

Just wanted to quote this because there has been so much speculation on where the car actually was.

Maybe the car was moved from one call to the other. Just saying. There
actually are alot of people lurking around this house.

(02-21-2011, 10:44 AM)HeartBreaker Wrote: i know everyone has seen the first part of this from the RIP johnny page (maytee's comments about mock). but has anyone else noticed the response underneath?


You people on that mock forum are low life pathetic skum poor excuses for human life how dare you say that me and my son dont get along we are best friends and always have been...how dare you try to blame our family or johnny for what these evil demons did to him and lisa you people disgust me i want to vomit all you p...eople dont know anything what you can do is do the world a favor and choke on your evil tongues

XXXXXXXXX Just because God gave them a voice does not give them a right to say whatever they think... and someone with just a little bit of intelligence not to mention SYMPATHY would never ever do something so hurtful and nasty. That is why I left t...he other page. I cannot imagine the pain you are going through. DO NOT WORRY about those people, we have a group of people reporting them constantly until something is done and we have also talked to a lawyer that specializes in terms of service violations per internet laws and he heard your story and asked to help as well. He and I BOTH sat and read all 403 pages of the story... and that's what it is - a bunch of lowlife redneck racists that have nothing better to do than make up a fantasy story in their sick little minds.See More
9 hours ago

Oh, reeeeeaaly???!

Gee, I wonder who THAT might be

She spelled scum wrong.

(02-21-2011, 04:12 PM)toledoarea Wrote: I didn't know Johnny or Lisa. I am a friend of the Clarke's. Met John Sr. once. I am a friend of John Sr. side of the family. I don't know anymore about this case than anyone else. Just trying to point out those people that I mentioned in my previous comment. I think they are key. Kinda funny how V.D. disappears for a week after the murders and all of a sudden he doesn't have a phone. Look at M.J. wall around his birthday. V.D. leaves an interesting comment.

Lots of interesting posts here today, and lots to think about .....

I could be mistaken, but I thought John Clarke Sr. had V's GF as a friend on FB when I first saw the page a few days ago, but not when I looked again yesterday.

(02-21-2011, 12:48 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 12:40 PM)trixie Wrote: Yea, but Lisa's car was in the driveway, JC and LS weren't answering calls or texts (which was apparently out of the norm), and she had already gotten the call from Tiffany's friend saying that something was wrong. I would be concerned too!

Alright, I'll give you that, it's a valid statement but, why? Why are they so concerned? I've not responded to text & my ringing BB many times. I've also pretended to not be home while my vehicle has been sitting in the circle. Why is Maytee freakin' out?

Lisa's car was in the garage. According to the Detective in front of the News cameras on the first day of the investigation. I quote Lady Cop in her opening dialogue on page 1.

- Lady Cop - 02-01-2011 01:26 PM

She said Mr. Clarke had picked up Miss Straub from work Sunday. The two "had plans with someone earlier in the evening," the detective said, but had not shown up and had not called to say they wouldn't be there.
Miss Straub's car was in the garage, and it did not appear they had gone out at all that evening, she said.

Here is a short recap of the 911 calls that are scattered about. I just
can not find the one with the Detectives on it.

Issues with JFM Transcript
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1...vm.01.html

http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/stor...?id=576342

http://toledoblade.com/assets/mpg/TO8007221.MP3

(02-21-2011, 11:17 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 10:59 AM)Red_velvet71 Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 10:44 AM)HeartBreaker Wrote: i know everyone has seen the first part of this from the RIP johnny page (maytee's comments about mock). but has anyone else noticed the response underneath?


You people on that mock forum are low life pathetic skum poor excuses for human life how dare you say that me and my son dont get along we are best friends and always have been...how dare you try to blame our family or johnny for what these evil demons did to him and lisa you people disgust me i want to vomit all you p...eople dont know anything what you can do is do the world a favor and choke on your evil tongues

XXXXXXXXX Just because God gave them a voice does not give them a right to say whatever they think... and someone with just a little bit of intelligence not to mention SYMPATHY would never ever do something so hurtful and nasty. That is why I left t...he other page. I cannot imagine the pain you are going through. DO NOT WORRY about those people, we have a group of people reporting them constantly until something is done and we have also talked to a lawyer that specializes in terms of service violations per internet laws and he heard your story and asked to help as well. He and I BOTH sat and read all 403 pages of the story... and that's what it is - a bunch of lowlife redneck racists that have nothing better to do than make up a fantasy story in their sick little minds.See More
9 hours ago

So now we're ....... lol

Look at us! Ain't we Gangsta! What shall we call ourselves? LC CBLOCC?

hahaha!


What do all of those letters mean in those gang designations, anyway?

(02-21-2011, 04:12 PM)toledoarea Wrote: I didn't know Johnny or Lisa. I am a friend of the Clarke's. Met John Sr. once. I am a friend of John Sr. side of the family. I don't know anymore about this case than anyone else. Just trying to point out those people that I mentioned in my previous comment. I think they are key. Kinda funny how V.D. disappears for a week after the murders and all of a sudden he doesn't have a phone. Look at M.J. wall around his birthday. V.D. leaves an interesting comment.

I'm familiar with MJs fb. Nice tat. I do notice that VD and others from his neighborhood 1200 south (I think) tat their last names across their backs. Johnny included. Seems like all the boys from that area (about 5 or 6 that I have noted) got the same type of tat. Not MJ though, he is from a different area, and a bit more out their with his ganster style. MJ rides around with his bro AP/AG. I have kind of moved on from VD. Looking more and more toward AP/AG.