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(02-27-2011, 11:30 PM)DivineDragon Wrote: (02-27-2011, 11:22 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: [quote='Butterfly Girl' pid='137667' dateline='1298863321']
[quote='curious' pid='137637' dateline='1298860664']
I take all the posts by "newbies" now "members" with a grain of salt...it's so fucking obvious it's actually comical whose team their on and not one post has had any relevant information...just taking up bandwidth as are as I'm concerned.
Nice way to welcome new people I am seeing a clique thing going on here which is fine but to openly bash others that dont agree with you is Bullshit
this is Mock. bashing is allowed.
Quote:How hard can we bash back? Stupidity and self-importance are two of my pet peeves and when they are presented together, I can get downright evil.
i prefer that my crime threads don't degenerate into personal crap. that can be thrashed out outside the crime forum.
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(02-27-2011, 11:34 PM)jenjen Wrote: (02-27-2011, 11:04 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: [quote='jenjen' pid='137649' dateline='1298861842']
John P Clarke-Middle name is Pete
DOB-7/16/69 (He will be 42)
There is one arrest with the same DOB under the name Jovanny.
AKAs, I guess.
I believe I saw that listed somewhere as the name of one of Johnny's younger brothers.
Yes, Johnny's teenage (15?) brother is J. Please tell me he hasn't been in trouble with the law already?
My guess is that dad used his kids name when he got arrested.
I know someone who did that to their brother. When they got pulled over by police, they showed the brother's drivers license and it worked. Let's just say, the brother wasn't too happy.
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(02-27-2011, 11:36 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: (02-27-2011, 11:30 PM)DivineDragon Wrote: (02-27-2011, 11:22 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: [quote='Butterfly Girl' pid='137667' dateline='1298863321']
[quote='curious' pid='137637' dateline='1298860664']
I take all the posts by "newbies" now "members" with a grain of salt...it's so fucking obvious it's actually comical whose team their on and not one post has had any relevant information...just taking up bandwidth as are as I'm concerned. ...
this is Mock. bashing is allowed.
Quote:How hard can we bash back? Stupidity and self-importance are two of my pet peeves and when they are presented together, I can get downright evil.
Fair enough. I will hold my tongue.
i prefer that my crime threads don't degenerate into personal crap. that can be thrashed out outside the crime forum.
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(02-27-2011, 11:26 PM)Butterfly Girl Wrote: (02-27-2011, 11:23 PM)pspence Wrote: SERIOUSLY on top of all the insane ass theories that have been tossed around, I feel like people have turned a blind eye to the FACTS & focused on who they wish to believe is at fault & in doing so twist every fucking word & action they can to make it so. Kinda reminds me of trying to pound a round peg into a square hole & to be honest it's annoying as shit.
Geesh, what are the facts that must so obviously "solve" this for you? It must be difficult to live in a world where others are not up to your level of superiority....
Being in a profession which involves some heavy duty strategizing, I have learned that "no one is as smart as all of us together" and often times when brainstorming with teams - the solution comes from the newest team member...sometimes with "out there" ideas...hey, give us a break...we're just fascinated with this tragic story of these 2 handsome, young people...could you be more clear/concise with what is so obvious the answer to this tragedy?
I agree with brainstorming you took the words out of my hands (typing)
OK First of all Butterfly girl I'm Soooo sorry I didn't roll out the red carpet for you as a gesture of welcoming  This is MOCK I'm not obligated to welcome shit. I've expressed my opinion & if you don't like.... don't read it.
Second PSpence I'm not saying my theory is above anyone elses I'm saying I'm sick of of the nutter ass theories. Ya know the ones about the killer killing JC & LS in a certain location because MAYBE the killer was molested in a kitchen LMFAO I KNOW I'm not the only one that reads this shit & thinks Ummmm WTF? Because I've gotten private messages about it. OK? I'm not saying I'm smarter than anyone else I'm saying can we for once & for all stick to the fucking FACTS? I'm so sorry that you have befriended Tiffany & you don't like that I don't believe a word that comes from her mouth or a word that's typed from her fingers. To damn bad, I'm on Mock & I can say whatever I fucking want to
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(02-27-2011, 11:37 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: (02-27-2011, 11:34 PM)jenjen Wrote: (02-27-2011, 11:04 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: [quote='jenjen' pid='137649' dateline='1298861842']
John P Clarke-Middle name is Pete
DOB-7/16/69 (He will be 42)
There is one arrest with the same DOB under the name Jovanny.
AKAs, I guess.
I believe I saw that listed somewhere as the name of one of Johnny's younger brothers.
Yes, Johnny's teenage (15?) brother is J. Please tell me he hasn't been in trouble with the law already?
My guess is that dad used his kids name when he got arrested.
I know someone who did that to their brother. When they got pulled over by police, they showed the brother's drivers license and it worked. Let's just say, the brother wasn't too happy. Happens all the time.
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Hey everyone! I've been pretty quiet on this forum. Just reading everyone else's posts. I'm going nuts because I could answer some of the questions some have asked. I don't want to saboutage the investigation and out of respect for the family I have kept my mouth shut. Someone mentioned that Lisa's facebook has been removed. The Straubs moved back home so they probably discontinued it. I can't even imagine going back there.  Regarding the house being ransacked a family member went with the crime scene clean-up people and stated that the whole house was ransacked. Things were broken and thrown about. The perps even took the heater/air conditioning vents off? (I do know someone who didn't believe in banks so that is where he hid his money). And like I've said before Maytee was strange and DANGEROUS before any of this happened! Sorry that's all I can say for now. And yes I'm still very new so you can take it with a grain of salt if you must! 
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(02-27-2011, 11:34 PM)jenjen Wrote: (02-27-2011, 11:04 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: [quote='jenjen' pid='137649' dateline='1298861842']
John P Clarke-Middle name is Pete
DOB-7/16/69 (He will be 42)
There is one arrest with the same DOB under the name Jovanny.
AKAs, I guess.
I believe I saw that listed somewhere as the name of one of Johnny's younger brothers.
Yes, Johnny's teenage (15?) brother is J. Please tell me he hasn't been in trouble with the law already?
My guess is that dad used his kids name when he got arrested. My guess is that there is other family with that name, that their son is named after...?
If he had used someone elses name and/or info...then he would have been charged with the pertaining crimes.
You are missed...RIP Lady Cop
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(02-27-2011, 11:34 PM)jenjen Wrote: (02-27-2011, 11:04 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: [quote='jenjen' pid='137649' dateline='1298861842']
John P Clarke-Middle name is Pete
DOB-7/16/69 (He will be 42)
There is one arrest with the same DOB under the name Jovanny.
AKAs, I guess.
I believe I saw that listed somewhere as the name of one of Johnny's younger brothers.
Yes, Johnny's teenage (15?) brother is J. Please tell me he hasn't been in trouble with the law already?
My guess is that dad used his kids name when he got arrested.
Jen Jen very good POV!
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(02-27-2011, 11:40 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: (02-27-2011, 11:26 PM)Butterfly Girl Wrote: (02-27-2011, 11:23 PM)pspence Wrote: SERIOUSLY on top of all the insane ass theories that have been tossed around, I feel like people have turned a blind eye to the FACTS & focused on who they wish to believe is at fault & in doing so twist every fucking word & action they can to make it so. Kinda reminds me of trying to pound a round peg into a square hole & to be honest it's annoying as shit.
Geesh, what are the facts that must so obviously "solve" this for you? It must be difficult to live in a world where others are not up to your level of superiority....
Being in a profession which involves some heavy duty strategizing, I have learned that "no one is as smart as all of us together" and often times when brainstorming with teams - the solution comes from the newest team member...sometimes with "out there" ideas...hey, give us a break...we're just fascinated with this tragic story of these 2 handsome, young people...could you be more clear/concise with what is so obvious the answer to this tragedy?
I agree with brainstorming you took the words out of my hands (typing)
Ya know the ones about the killer killing JC & LS in a certain location because MAYBE the killer was molested in a kitchen LMFAO I KNOW I'm not the only one that reads this shit & thinks Ummmm WTF?
I remember that one! I was like, Holy Fuck! (Which is similar to WTF.)
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I'm going to go off topic and ask a question regarding the homicide of Straub and Clark : ) How big was the party saturday night prior to the murders. If memory serves tiff said on this site that it was only her, z, johnny, and lisa at the straub house that saturday night. later someone mentioned that the neighbors to straubs were talking about that there was a "party" there saturday night. How big a party? I can't imagine 4 people total would raise the neighbors "party" radar. was there a ton of people there? Someone that knows please chime in. Also I can't remember who said they were told who did it, it had to do with JC, and that someone previously on the forum had recently guessed what happened. (recently to his post). Someone with more motivation than me go back to that post and work backward, taking all the JC involved theorys. one of them will be the answer. that means no cuban mafia, or lisa boyfriend. My guess it means, either 1. johnny snitched, 2. johnny owed money, or maybe even 3. johnny talked about a safe or a new load of product, the crew went to rob him (note grabbing the safe may have not been seen as robbing johnny, but instead robbing lisa's parents who they thought could afford it, b/c everyone in the burbs has their stash of $100k in cash, right?), johnny fucked some up and the nastiest of the bunch counter attacked. I;m personally not buying #3 robbery gone bad, but it still is an available theory that doesn't involve aliens, santa, easter bunny, or whatever. Am I missing a theory?
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So no news yet about this case. I was hoping we would hear something, atleast a press conference by LE saying they are working hard on the case etc, etc. Does it really take this long for DNA evidence to come back?
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I'm curious...do you really believe 150% that there is no possible way Tiffany was involved in the crime in any way? As in you have NO DOUBTS?
I am a very inteligent person thank you very much...of course I have doubts...but that doesn't mean I don't also entertain the idea that she was at the wrong place at the wrong time and after all...if it were up to the LE they probably wouldn't have been found for days later until her parents got home...it might come out in the end if the truth comes out that Tiffany was the only one who DID do anything proactively to get something to happen to help them.
Years and years (too many to mention) I was a "Tiffany" but in a different culture...young, immature and made a lot of mistakes...involved with drugs, etc...I would wanted to call the cops too but would have hesitated because of my lifestyle at the time...because I ignored the assholes that always condemed me and judged me and looked at the few in my family that believed in me, I became educated, quite drugs, grew up and have been married for over 36 years to a good man. My kids are an accountant, a therapist and a teacher. So yes, she could be guilty but until I hear it from the LE, I'm going to believe in her and keep communication lines open.
Hey, I've been wrong before...I thought Jon Bonet Ramsey's mother did it for years...I detest arrogance...and I also welcome anyone new on here and don't particularly like bullies either...ShitStorm has disagreed with me on numerous occasions but is a very classy gentleman about it...
My heart breaks for Maytee no matter what she has ever done in her past...to me it is "telling" though that she still thinks T is involved...to me that indicates the LE has told the families nothing...I do wish for so many obvious reasons they would make an arrest, and I do think that would help Maytee in her grieving process a lot...sorry, didn't mean to go off....
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(02-27-2011, 11:40 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: OK First of all Butterfly girl I'm Soooo sorry I didn't roll out the red carpet for you as a gesture of welcoming This is MOCK I'm not obligated to welcome shit. I've expressed my opinion & if you don't like.... don't read it.
Second PSpence I'm not saying my theory is above anyone elses I'm saying I'm sick of of the nutter ass theories. Ya know the ones about the killer killing JC & LS in a certain location because MAYBE the killer was molested in a kitchen LMFAO I KNOW I'm not the only one that reads this shit & thinks Ummmm WTF? Because I've gotten private messages about it. OK? I'm not saying I'm smarter than anyone else I'm saying can we for once & for all stick to the fucking FACTS? I'm so sorry that you have befriended Tiffany & you don't like that I don't don't believe a word that comes from her mouth or a word that's typed from her fingers. To damn bad, I'm on Mock & I can say whatever I fucking want to
amen! facts are facts and this girl has been known to lie to police, from different articles i've read she's giving different stories, one minute the phone was dropped on the ground and it went silent, now it's being said that he hung up and was to call her back. she's a rumored heroin dealer, does not have custody of her children, ex-boyfriend was shot and allegedly has two boyfriends currently, one who is fathering her unborn child, and the other who isn't even old enough to purchase cigarettes. this girl is trouble. i don't know why anyone would think she's trustworthy by any means!
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(02-27-2011, 11:44 PM)notsure Wrote: I'm going to go off topic and ask a question regarding the homicide of Straub and Clark : ) How big was the party saturday night prior to the murders. If memory serves tiff said on this site that it was only her, z, johnny, and lisa at the straub house that saturday night. later someone mentioned that the neighbors to straubs were talking about that there was a "party" there saturday night. How big a party? I can't imagine 4 people total would raise the neighbors "party" radar. was there a ton of people there? Someone that knows please chime in. Also I can't remember who said they were told who did it, it had to do with JC, and that someone previously on the forum had recently guessed what happened. (recently to his post). Someone with more motivation than me go back to that post and work backward, taking all the JC involved theorys. one of them will be the answer. that means no cuban mafia, or lisa boyfriend. My guess it means, either 1. johnny snitched, 2. johnny owed money, or maybe even 3. johnny talked about a safe or a new load of product, the crew went to rob him (note grabbing the safe may have not been seen as robbing johnny, but instead robbing lisa's parents who they thought could afford it, b/c everyone in the burbs has their stash of $100k in cash, right?), johnny fucked some up and the nastiest of the bunch counter attacked. I;m personally not buying #3 robbery gone bad, but it still is an available theory that doesn't involve aliens, santa, easter bunny, or whatever. Am I missing a theory?
I'll go with Johnny owed someone a sum of money for some reason or another (drugs). I'm guessing the perps are from Tiffany's circle of friends or associates of them.
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(02-27-2011, 11:45 PM)seasontickets Wrote: So no news yet about this case. I was hoping we would hear something, atleast a press conference by LE saying they are working hard on the case etc, etc. Does it really take this long for DNA evidence to come back?
I'm thinking DNA can't take that long, especially if the FBI is putting their own "rush" on it, but even with DNA evidence, the prosecution needs a very, very strong case that leaves no chance of defense. For example, if Tiffany or the minor were there the night before than that could explain hair or clothing fibers, etc.
THE CASE MUST BE PROOF GUILT BEYOND THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT.
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I dont want your red carpet i was talking about you bashing others opinions and curious's comments about "newbies"and Im not new I just type wityh black ink most of the time 
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Yes indeed I'm bashing the retarded ass opinions of people who are not basing their theory on fact & are instead wanting to turn this into a "Maytee killed her son in the kitchen with colonel mustard & a fuckin butter knife" If you aren't new & you type with "black ink" you would know this.
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I dont want your red carpet i was talking about you bashing others opinions and curious's comments about "newbies"and Im not new I just type wityh black ink most of the time
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Yes indeed I'm bashing the retarded ass opinions of people who are not basing their theory on fact & are instead wanting to turn this into a "Maytee killed her son in the kitchen with colonel mustard & a fuckin butter knife" If you aren't new & you type with "black ink" you would know this.
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3. johnny talked about a safe or a new load of product, the crew went to rob him (note grabbing the safe may have not been seen as robbing johnny, but instead robbing lisa's parents who they thought could afford it, b/c everyone in the burbs has their stash of $100k in cash, right?), johnny fucked some up and the nastiest of the bunch counter attacked. I;m personally not buying #3 robbery gone bad, but it still is an available theory that doesn't involve aliens, santa, easter bunny, or whatever. Am I missing a theory?
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I need to make a correction to my above statment. after kitty1 said "The perps even took the heater/air conditioning vents off" it is clear that they were looking for money and it probably was a robbery gone bad. removing the vent covers is really beyond making it look like a robbery. there was a specific thing being sought.
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