(03-02-2011, 02:38 PM)Snoopy Wrote:

(03-02-2011, 10:41 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Professionals, not in my opinion, unless just getting paid takes you from amateur to professional. Ruthless, merciless, disgusting forms of humanity, yep.

It was a story worth telling, and I can totally relate. My younger brother struggled with crack cocaine addiction for many years- and everyone in my family just knew, that if he continued to use drugs, something would happen to him. We stood by him through rehab, but within a few months, he was using crack again.
One day he showed up at my home in a state of shock, and looked like he had lost all color, just totally pale. He told me that just hours before coming to my place, he had a gun to his head, that someone was about to shoot him, and he barely talked him out of it.
Still, this was not enough for him to quit. When he ended up in prison over this addition, I was almost relieved, because I hoped that after doing 2 years, it might be long enough for him to get past the addiction.
But he got out, started hanging back with his old crowd, and went right back to the drugs, and another prison sentence eventually.

Just a couple of years ago, I got that call I prayed would never come, and once I was able to stop screaming, and actually speak, the first thing I asked was " who did this? who killed my brother?"
I was convinced that someone had killed him. And I was wrong.
He died from an overdose of crack cocaine.

But I can totally see, how its easy, to jump to a conclusion, not because of any inside knowledge, other than, you know that this person, is on a dangerous path.
My personal opinion is that Maytee's reaction, was only due to her knowing that her son, had been involved with a lifestyle, and people that could bring him harm and trouble.
I could be wrong, but I truly do not feel that she is involved in this crime.

I dont either.

(03-02-2011, 05:35 PM)imsuchawildflower Wrote:

(03-02-2011, 02:21 PM)curious Wrote: Yes, we're on the same page. I don't LIKE this scenario, but I have to go with what LE released - "not random", "not a robbery" "professional" "drug related". That's really all we have to go on, now, unless something else is released. If this was a professinal hit, then in my mind, the perps wore gloves.

It is very difficult to use duct tape with gloves on. Jus sayin


Not if you have a tape gun...or something to that effect.

I think thats reaching too far...People only overthink their crimes in
movies.
what was the quote someone posted yesterday or the day before
about simplicity?
It was perfect.

I think LE implied they brought it on themselves with this statement

instigated by actions of the victims.

Am I reading more than should be into that?

(03-02-2011, 03:12 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(03-02-2011, 03:06 PM)shitstorm Wrote: I'll bet at that crime scene, besides what belonged to J&S and Lisa's family, there was hair, fiber, skin cells, fingerprints, blood, and possibly shoe prints. I don't believe these killers were so adept as to leave ZERO TRACE. That's begs the question of why would something like this not yield an arrest or a named person of interest. Beats me! Maybe Lady Cop can answer.

i'm sure there was plenty of DNA, prints and trace evidence left at scene. but you have to have those things in a database to match them up. and even then, you need circumstantial evidence to put them there.
and was that evidence there legitimately? the party the night before. Johnny's dad handling bags and tape in his panic upon discovery of the bodies. did anyone else?

that being said, i'm just as surprised as everyone that there have been no arrests yet. but i also believe there will be.

I think there will be too.
I pray that one of the detectives gets this case under his skin and cant
let it go no matter how long it takes to solve it.
I have family and friends in LE, and they do their best in every case, no
doubt, but sometimes a case comes along, and for some reasn, it
becomes personal for them, and never let go til justice is found.

(03-02-2011, 04:15 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(03-02-2011, 03:54 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: I think "Dog The Bounty Hunter" showed what was possible when he found Andrew Stuart Luster. A perp with alot of money and means to escape.

now there is one of the biggest shitbums who ever got a TV show.
phony cop-wannabe and his porker wife. a convict who bought his badge online and pretends to be a SWAT team. he has absolutely NO authority anywhere.

It always makes me laugh when he talks shit about the perp, then go after
him/her, talk more shit til they get them...then try to straighten out their
lives in the amt of time it takes for them to smoke a cigarette in the
parking lot of the jail.
Douche-bag.

Not if you have a tape gun...or something to that effect.
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I think thats reaching too far...People only overthink their crimes in
movies.
what was the quote someone posted yesterday or the day before
about simplicity?
It was perfect.
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Sure you're right, and that is a stretch it's just have a hard time thinking that DNA collected might not match someone in the nationwide database, which I know only time will tell.

(03-02-2011, 05:23 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-02-2011, 05:16 PM)IMaDick Wrote:

(03-02-2011, 05:08 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: SS: Or not. This could all be wishful thinking on your part.

well Dick is a retired LEO, and he and i agree based on experience.

Not retired simply Ex. LEO, with enough years to have seen more than my share of crime scenes and investigations to speculate with more than a just little understanding of what's happening.

Hi Dick,

Please elaborate on a question you posed back in the thread about the kitchen was an unusual place to commit this crime and where something like this would statistically take place.

zero

back bedroom,basement,garage, or some location away from the home.

and back then, in that post, i felt the kitchen was logical since they (the killers) probably entered through garage to kitchen door. and surprised the victims there.

(03-02-2011, 05:52 PM)curious Wrote: Not if you have a tape gun...or something to that effect.

Sure you're right, and that is a stretch it's just have a hard time thinking that DNA collected might not match someone in the nationwide database, which I know only time will tell.

PLEASE!! Tell me you DON"T work there!
OMG if you do then.... EDUCATE ME ....and tell me How you conduct a ballistics test on a 'tapegun'?

Hi Dick,

Please elaborate on a question you posed back in the thread about the kitchen was an unusual place to commit this crime and where something like this would statistically take place.

zero
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back bedroom,basement,garage, or some location away from the home.

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Could the bodies perhaps been moved after-the-fact?

(03-02-2011, 06:04 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-02-2011, 05:52 PM)curious Wrote: Not if you have a tape gun...or something to that effect.

Sure you're right, and that is a stretch it's just have a hard time thinking that DNA collected might not match someone in the nationwide database, which I know only time will tell.

PLEASE!! Tell me you DON"T work there!
OMG if you do then.... EDUCATE ME ....and tell me How you conduct a ballistics test on a 'tapegun'?

Take a minute a re-read what I've posted cause your waiting my time.

(03-02-2011, 05:59 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: and back then, in that post, i felt the kitchen was logical since they (the killers) probably entered through garage to kitchen door. and surprised the victims there.

Of course murders can and do happen anywhere this is just MO, and yours is just as credible.

without photo's I don't know if they were found sitting ,contorted from struggling with their bindings, or laying down laid out like they were sleeping.

each provides it's own set of thoughts concerning aspects of the crime.

none of them lead my mind to professionals.

(03-02-2011, 06:10 PM)curious Wrote:

(03-02-2011, 06:04 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-02-2011, 05:52 PM)curious Wrote: Not if you have a tape gun...or something to that effect.

Sure you're right, and that is a stretch it's just have a hard time thinking that DNA collected might not match someone in the nationwide database, which I know only time will tell.

PLEASE!! Tell me you DON"T work there!
OMG if you do then.... EDUCATE ME ....and tell me How you conduct a ballistics test on a 'tapegun'?

Take a minute a re-read what I've posted cause your waiting my time.

As I take a minute to proof my post...that would be wasting my time, exactly what I just succeeded in doing for all of us.

(03-02-2011, 06:10 PM)curious Wrote:

(03-02-2011, 06:04 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-02-2011, 05:52 PM)curious Wrote: Not if you have a tape gun...or something to that effect.

Sure you're right, and that is a stretch it's just have a hard time thinking that DNA collected might not match someone in the nationwide database, which I know only time will tell.

PLEASE!! Tell me you DON"T work there!
OMG if you do then.... EDUCATE ME ....and tell me How you conduct a ballistics test on a 'tapegun'?

Take a minute a re-read what I've posted cause your waiting my time.

I just hope you are 'Waiting Tables'

instigated by actions of the victims.


Ummmm...to me that rules out snitching...Lisa wouldn't have been involved in that ...I'm thinking they owed $$, or fronted drugs and not paid back or gave bad dope? what do you all think?

(03-02-2011, 06:08 PM)curious Wrote: Hi Dick,

Quote: Could the bodies perhaps been moved after-the-fact?

anything is possible, there is no way for us to know with the info we have.

(03-02-2011, 06:12 PM)curious Wrote: As I take a minute to proof my post...that would be wasting my time, exactly what I just succeeded in doing for all of us.

Take all the time you need. Better you should waste your time and not mine. You may want to take an online refresher course in reading comprehension or go to mime school.

(03-02-2011, 06:11 PM)IMaDick Wrote:

(03-02-2011, 05:59 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: and back then, in that post, i felt the kitchen was logical since they (the killers) probably entered through garage to kitchen door. and surprised the victims there.

Of course murders can and do happen anywhere this is just MO, and yours is just as credible.

without photo's I don't know if they were found sitting ,contorted from struggling with their bindings, or laying down laid out like they were sleeping.

each provides it's own set of thoughts concerning aspects of the crime.

none of them lead my mind to professionals.

I heartily agree. Hence, I must admit that I have become very discouraged by the statement made by the County Detective to the local board.

I'm worried that they are not being clever, just stupid and ill-equipped training-wise to solve this case.

Ah yes, just another drug killing by phantom professionals. (Bull)

I so hope I am wrong about these County detectives. So wish TPD's DB was in charge.

DCTim wrote in Post: #7237

"I learned from a VERY reliable source today that LE knows who the perps were. Suffice to say that some of the recent contributors here were right on the mark.
I think what they're waiting for is DNA evidence to be returned before any arrests are made.
Sadly, what we have heard about LS being tortured is evidently correct. Worse than we've read here I'm told."

I would also like to note that didn't many of the facebook friends with active warrants for unrelated cases get picked up. loss of liberty is a great motivator to get some questions answered.

(03-02-2011, 06:21 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-02-2011, 06:12 PM)curious Wrote: As I take a minute to proof my post...that would be wasting my time, exactly what I just succeeded in doing for all of us.

Take all the time you need. Better you should waste your time and not mine. You may want to take an online refresher course in reading comprehension or go to mime school.

Okay, so back to the topic...curious as to what your theory is at this point?

on the way home today from work...on the outbound lanes of the trail (for non locals, it's the ANthony Wayne Trail, 6 lanes, 3 in each direction, major thouroughfare from south, south west, western suburbs into downtown....AND going right through the southside inner city, where most of these characters dwell) are two big, brand new, electronic billboards with Johnny and LIsa's pictures...saying double homicide...please call crimestoppers with any information that you have. this is the first day I've seen them and I make the drive twice a day..... hmmm....