(03-05-2011, 01:54 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote:

(03-04-2011, 10:23 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i want to know who the people who don't need cops call when they are robbed at gunpoint or beaten or raped.

Exactly.

I think just the presence of a uniformed cop makes law-abiding citizens feel better and makes criminals less likely to do their criminal deeds. I have absolutely no problem with cops patrolling their beat. What I do have a huge problem with is cops who are arrogant, abusive of their power, cast aspersions on innocent individuals and ... well the list goes on. But of course they aren't all bad. Never said they were.

(03-05-2011, 01:57 AM)Methusala Wrote:

(03-04-2011, 11:00 PM)FutileResistance Wrote: [quote='Lady Cop' pid='140526' dateline='1299291782']
i want to know who the people who don't need cops call when they are robbed at gunpoint or beaten or raped.

Very well put. It is too bad that my criticism of a particular law officer's unprofessional remarks, and my concern over a fear that this particular police department may be in over their heads, has instead been turned into a rant against law enforcement. That was not my intention, and not something I would agree with.

I too have friends who are criminal defense attorneys, and I consider the attribution made to them to be pure bullshit. Except for the greenhorn lawyers who are picking up scraps, more experienced criminal defense attorneys have a healthy respect for the experienced cops they encounter and vice versa.

That's the real world, folks.

The rant is undoubtedly due to the fact that the system is insulated from criticism. After all, they have the authority to lock you up on 'suspicion' that you committed a crime. And if the authorities are wrong? Well it isn't like any other profession where they would be sued for malpractice. Can you imagine LE being held to the same standards physicians are? It's laughable. 90% of LE would be out on the streets looking for honest work.

And I did not say the attribution was made to your friends who are criminal defense attorneys; the attribution is made to one of the two whom I know. I can't control what comes out of their mouths, but the individual who said it is a $350 an hour attorney with a thriving practice reputed to be the best in a geographical location and who holds a Juris Doctorate degree. He has seen more than his fair share of innocent lives destroyed because LE was on the wrong track from the beginning...cases brought on no evidence, etc. It does happen and you are an idiot with a fool for a counsel if you do not think it happens.

(03-05-2011, 01:59 AM)eye.of.my Wrote:

(03-04-2011, 12:57 AM)Jane Wrote:

(03-03-2011, 09:16 PM)eye.of.my Wrote: It slipped while talking to a good source thats been in contact with one of the families. But as I told LC I can't help but wonder if the family isn't spreading that to scare the perps into turning themselves in??? There has been other talk that someone was recently arrested for it yet no names are given there either. But my source has had good info on everything else in this case hoping this is the same result.

can you verify if the rumors are true about Lisa being injured worse than Johnny? Was a baseball bat used? Was Lisa raped? Was her tongue injured?

I have heard that she was worse than him and it was a closed casket to his open but he didnt look good either but thats from him sitting so long I guess.

But we saw pictures of Johnny in his casket. In fact, he looked as good as my cousin looked who was killed in an auto accident a year and a half ago. The closed casket service doesn't sound good regarding Lisa, though. There's only one reason to close a casket. Any more specific details regarding what might have happened/been done to Lisa?

(03-05-2011, 02:01 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote:

(03-04-2011, 10:55 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-04-2011, 10:33 PM)van64 Wrote: Does anyone think their killer(s) have killed before? [/color]

YES

I just dont see how someone could kill for the first time, this way.
This is someone with the stomach for torture etc. Blood lust so to speak.

Or the perps themselves were hopped up on drugs.

(03-05-2011, 02:14 AM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 02:01 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote:

(03-04-2011, 10:55 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-04-2011, 10:33 PM)van64 Wrote: Does anyone think their killer(s) have killed before? [/color]

YES

I just dont see how someone could kill for the first time, this way.
This is someone with the stomach for torture etc. Blood lust so to speak.

It just seems so careless and "unprofessional" to kill this way. Tape picks up everything. Someone who knew what they were doing would use a different method, it seems.

Agreed. There is no way this was professional. What a terrible way to die...begging for air.

(03-05-2011, 02:14 AM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 02:01 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote:

(03-04-2011, 10:55 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-04-2011, 10:33 PM)van64 Wrote: Does anyone think their killer(s) have killed before? [/color]

YES

I just dont see how someone could kill for the first time, this way.
This is someone with the stomach for torture etc. Blood lust so to speak.

It just seems so careless and "unprofessional" to kill this way. Tape picks up everything. Someone who knew what they were doing would use a different method, it seems.

Oh and I am so glad you have Johnny and Lisa's pic up as your avatar to remind us of just how striking of a couple they really were. Their kids would have been beautiful, yes?

(03-05-2011, 02:20 AM)BellaMia Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 02:01 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote:

(03-04-2011, 10:55 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-04-2011, 10:33 PM)van64 Wrote: Does anyone think their killer(s) have killed before? [/color]

YES

I just dont see how someone could kill for the first time, this way.
This is someone with the stomach for torture etc. Blood lust so to speak.

Yea I agree. Does anyone know if autopsy reports are public if so where to see it? I sorta feel bad for being so nosey about a case like this when the families are in such devistation, but the way this murder happened and it being so long after with no word on suspects or progress my curiosity is getting the better of me. I guess it doesn't help that they can read I'm being nosey lol I think it must be more of me feeling guilty then sad. SMH

I think autopsy reports are public but the question is, have the reports been released yet? I think they have not been released or the reports would be all over the internet.

(03-05-2011, 02:21 AM)pfifltrigg Wrote: disclaimer:

somewhat

feel free to disregard...

so this may make me unpopular here and is totally worthless in relation to the discussion of finding justice, but i have been following this since the beginning, and at this point i am very curious to what your answers might be to my question: what are you all going to do when this is "over"? and at what point will it be "over"?

ideally (i would assume), it will be "over" when an arrest is made and you can all go over your past theories and reminisce over who was right and who was close to getting it "right" (i.e. "it was a hit, i was right", or "it was the family, i hit it on the nose", or "it was the thug friends, i told you!", etc. etc.").

but, heaven forbid, as we all know, it may come to where this isn't solved for a very long time, or not at all. so at what point do you call it quits and find another forum to follow? it has been said more than once that we don't know any more at page 700+ than we did at page 5, so...?

also i have watched many of you say that you have become addicted to this thread, and i have seen some "friendships" seem to form as a result of posting on here. so, i am just curious...what happens if they announce a promising arrest soon? and, if not, at what point does this thread melt away?

i half-ass apologize if i seem like a dick with this post as i have had no legitimate posts thus far (as i have no info worth your time to read), but i am just curious. i am very interested in the sociology behind the commeraderie that i have seen so many of you share behind this tragic event.

and p.s.: though i haven't been actively involved, i have been following you all since day one, and i've been hooked as well, so...

My interest in the case stemmed from the fact that the couple reminded me of a very typical college student couple that I have worked with literally all my life, up until a few years ago. And my interest also stemmed from the fact that the crime is so senseless (on the surface at least) and the manner of death is surreal. I count among my family and my friends people who would not suffocate a dog to death. So once solved, there will undoubtedly be another bizarro base that begs human nature to be followed. I usually follow the missing cases since those are so bizarre. How can a person just vanish into thin air?

(03-05-2011, 02:24 AM)WolfHouse Wrote: If you look at Maytee's postings, they are different, often, in
style and spelling errors. I think there are two people posting.
Just study them. There are different but consistently different
styles.

Maybe she has a split personality? Jekyll and Hyde?

(03-05-2011, 02:25 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: i half-ass apologize if i seem like a dick with this post as i have had no legitimate posts thus far (as i have no info worth your time to read), but i am just curious. i am very interested in the sociology behind the commeraderie that i have seen so many of you share behind this tragic event.

and p.s.: though i haven't been actively involved, i have been following you all since day one, and i've been hooked as well, so...

Great question. I swear, I was just thinking the same thing today.

I believe the answer is...

After the killers are caught, we will keep the thread going through the trial/convictions and have much to say about all the evidence and answers to the questions we have been asking.

If the killers aren't caught, I guess the friendships on here will be the strongest of our lives as we will all end up looking like :wheelchair: together (on our computers in our insane asylums).
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I just find it hard to believe that in this modern age, day and time the killer(s) will NOT be caught but here we are several weeks out and you have billboards going up...tells me LE is at loose ends.

(03-05-2011, 02:29 AM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote: i read more than just this thread. So i will be sticking around. However i am addicted to reading this one of course and check this more than i check my facebook which i am also just as addicted to. I have not add much of my thoughts to this but have just recently come across and have spent my last week and a half trying to read everything and learn the forum as best as i can! But when and if this case is solved i plan to stick around and look at the other cases and see what i can come up with!

What has contributed to this thread's popularity is that there is a dearth of information out there about the killer(s) and this thread brings those of us together who are thirsty for more information and for a quick resolution of the case. I'm going to check out a few more threads on here but I can tell you right now, the nude section here is a bust.

(03-05-2011, 02:38 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 02:21 AM)pfifltrigg Wrote:

This wont be over for me until there is justice served.
Someone is going to jail or death for this...and I will be here to
comment on it.

I pray that you have to be right.

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(03-05-2011, 02:42 AM)Inspector Gary Wrote: In my opinon, YOU CRAWLED UP her ASS and SHE FARTED YOU OUT!!!

Gives a whole other dimension to POOF BE GONE!!!!

[color=#FFD700][b]WOW

(03-05-2011, 02:42 AM)BellaMia Wrote: I wish I knew about these well more this forum existed when my cousin died. He was ruled a suicide. I guess some one can stab their self through thier breast plate 4 times and then after losing all that blood and I would imagine being extremly weak proceed to slice his own throat. Then his gf decides not to ride in the ambulance and stay behind and clean the house blood, evidence, Etc. befor the detectives arrive. Oh lets not forget the sister of the gf was arrested on an unrelated charge and hung her self note long after on his birthday. She was the gf of the man my cousin was having problems with right befor it happened. Maybe having a dedicated group of great people like you all would have drew some more attention and found some real evidence. Crazy right?

No, not crazy at all. Sounds like someone got away with murder.

(03-05-2011, 02:55 AM)BellaMia Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 02:35 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 02:20 AM)BellaMia Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 02:01 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote:

(03-04-2011, 10:55 PM)shitstorm Wrote: YES

I just dont see how someone could kill for the first time, this way.
This is someone with the stomach for torture etc. Blood lust so to speak.

Yea I agree. Does anyone know if autopsy reports are public if so where to see it? I sorta feel bad for being so nosey about a case like this when the families are in such devistation, but the way this murder happened and it being so long after with no word on suspects or progress my curiosity is getting the better of me. I guess it doesn't help that they can read I'm being nosey lol I think it must be more of me feeling guilty then sad. SMH

Only the preliminary autopsy results have been released, but I havent been
able to find it. Someone said the rest (the final report) will probably be
sealed until trial.

I know this is probbaly really dumb considering my only resource is tv haha but I thought in cases like this where there might be DNA or evidence on the bodies that the bodies couldnt be released for burrial until the reports were all back.

You would have to assume local LE did everything they could have done/should have done regarding DNA. Unless the FBI was in on it from the beginning, DNA evidence undoubtedly was compromised or simply not found. The crime scene was contaminated with Johnny's uncle but there obviously was no other choice there. And of course, the uncle didn't do it intentionally.

(03-05-2011, 03:00 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 02:21 AM)pfifltrigg Wrote: disclaimer:

somewhat

feel free to disregard...

so this may make me unpopular here and is totally worthless in relation to the discussion of finding justice, but i have been following this since the beginning, and at this point i am very curious to what your answers might be to my question: what are you all going to do when this is "over"? and at what point will it be "over"?

.....

I post at a few different forums and rarely on a murder thread. I followed the Smiley Face killer story on two long threads and it drove me nuts. It's a fascinating story and never has been solved.

Mock has a lot more than crime on it, though I'm new (arrived because of this thread) and haven't participated much.

As for friendships made here, I think my name may be mud because I started a thread on bad LE. Call me comprehensive - or dumb!

Or call you insightful beyond your years. People assume LE never breaks the law, has the citizen's best interests at heart and is a friend to every law-abiding citizen. People assume firefighters never are arsonists. People assume teachers are never pedophiles.

(03-05-2011, 03:03 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 02:22 AM)WolfHouse Wrote: Makes one wonder just what is true and what isn't. Two people. Two
different views of the casket. Ouch. Wonder how much else on here is
absolute bs? One of the two above is incorrect.

I attended an open casket viewing of a murder victim who was beaten, about the head and neck with a hammer. Bruises were visible. It was horrid.

I find it hard to believe Johnny would have been subdued without being beaten badly. Perhaps a gun held on him, or on Lisa, would have done it but once he realized they were going to be tied up I'm sure that's the point he would have gone crazy on the perps asses. And surely there was more than one perp.

(03-05-2011, 03:07 AM)BellaMia Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 02:50 AM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 02:42 AM)BellaMia Wrote: I wish I knew about these well more this forum existed when my cousin died. He was ruled a suicide. I guess some one can stab their self through thier breast plate 4 times and then after losing all that blood and I would imagine being extremly weak proceed to slice his own throat. Then his gf decides not to ride in the ambulance and stay behind and clean the house blood, evidence, Etc. befor the detectives arrive. Oh lets not forget the sister of the gf was arrested on an unrelated charge and hung her self note long after on his birthday. She was the gf of the man my cousin was having problems with right befor it happened. Maybe having a dedicated group of great people like you all would have drew some more attention and found some real evidence. Crazy right?

OMG, that's terrible, Bella!
Yeah, you know we would've been there demanding an investigation!

Yes it was a mess. He was in prison off and on most his life the longest being 8 years. He was home and had not been back to prison in years though. They just kinda swept it under the rug open closed. His immediate family arent the brightest people and he had recently moved down to columbus where his mother, sister and brother lived so all of us were up here. It was kinda like he didnt have a fighting chance for justice with them running the show. His sister was murdered here in Toledo when she was 15 so you would think that they would of fought tooth and nail but they didnt. I have had so much tragedy in our family over the years you would not believe. All bs aside if i could get my thoughts, facts and a timeline together I would love to write a book. It would be something I would read in a heartbeat. I just cant stay away from those sort of books though drama, murder, abuse, action!!!! haha Theres that saying gos something like- theres not much of difference between serial killers/murders and cops/detectives you either committ the crimes or the closest you get to it is solving them something along those lines. Well i think im one of those "should of been a detective people or atleast on a C.S.I team.

Being in trouble with the law almost guarantees LE will sweep an investigation under the rug. By their standards, it's one less problem citizen they have to deal with. I read and hear time and time again how citizens who have been in trouble with the law, and are ultimately killed, have their cases rarely solved if it involves any amount of work on LE's part. That's gotta be part of their sub culture.

You should at least begin outlining a book. I think the process would be therapeutic for you.

Let it be known that if anyone thinks/in visions that I'm gay, I'd like to be considered a hot lipstick lesbian and not a bull dyke, k?

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Duly noted.

(03-05-2011, 03:10 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 02:42 AM)BellaMia Wrote: I wish I knew about these well more this forum existed when my cousin died. He was ruled a suicide. I guess some one can stab their self through thier breast plate 4 times and then after losing all that blood and I would imagine being extremly weak proceed to slice his own throat. Then his gf decides not to ride in the ambulance and stay behind and clean the house blood, evidence, Etc. befor the detectives arrive. Oh lets not forget the sister of the gf was arrested on an unrelated charge and hung her self note long after on his birthday. She was the gf of the man my cousin was having problems with right befor it happened. Maybe having a dedicated group of great people like you all would have drew some more attention and found some real evidence. Crazy right?

OMG, BellaMia. His death was ruled a suicide?!!! That case needs to be reopened. That's an atrocity.

Her cousin has been in and out of prison. Unless the per drops in their lap holding a box of doughnuts, LE will do little to nothing to follow up on this case.