(03-09-2011, 08:18 PM)mamabear Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 05:45 PM)RJs-Ex Wrote: and browsing T's FB page, I found this comment she made on a friend's FB page. Can someone decipher what "...let hym flip a lil money" means?

I believe that means that you take a little, like maybe a little drugs, coke, pills, whatever, sell it, take that money, buy more drugs, and keep on going to start making money off of selling drugs.

So that post by RJs was how long ago?

(03-09-2011, 02:55 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-09-2011, 02:47 PM)WolfHouse Wrote: That is a million dollar question. They could have gotten it from Johnny's
house or in FLorida or Detroit or Columbus. Unless there are finger
prints which I doubt, the duck tape, is moot. IMHO

I disagree... The Duct Tape is vital to the investigation. Not because of where it was obtained as much as what it may have stuck to it and what that will reveal. Where it was purchased would be significant but appears impossible to uncover.

You are right!

(03-09-2011, 03:58 PM)Duchess Wrote:

You guys could pick apart a grain of sand.

I don't say that meanly.

LOL

Now there lies an idea. IS THERE STRANGE SAND OR OIL IN THE RUG?


The study of individual grains can reveal much historical information as to the origin and kind of transport of the grain. Quartz sand that is recently weathered from granite or gneiss quartz crystals will be angular. It is called grus in geology or sharp sand in the building trade where it is preferred for concrete, and in gardening where it is used as a soil amendment to loosen clay soils. Sand that is transported long distances by water or wind will be rounded, with characteristic abrasion patterns on the grain surface. Desert sand is typically rounded.

Was there strange sand anywhere???? Oweeeeeeeee.

(03-09-2011, 05:21 PM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: Maytee La Cubana Vazquez
All you people speculating on beautiful lisa and my gorgeous johnny are way off people please stop with your mocking lies the only one that seen our kids besides law enforcement is my husband johhnys dad and we will not share or say what he encountered at lisas house that night...just so you know you are all way off on your theories stop spreading so many lies woahhhhhh let our poor kids rest in peace and just pray for justice to prevail
about an hour ago via iPhone

I know this was mentioned earlier but her tone/writing seems to be changing from post to post.

Maylee, this post is such a lovely gracious thing for you to do. It gives
us great relief that maybe some of the horrors that have been bandied
around could be false. We pray for them and for you and John and your
adorable boys. And we are obsessed with keeping the police on this
case so that the murderers can be given their due. My personal
apologies for any pain to you. And I hope they get the rats who took
that lovely marker. (If it was like the one on the news program, it was
very smart and classy.) My own family waits until the anniversary of
the death to put a stone up and it is customary for us to use the marbe
plaques. Be blessed. WH

(03-09-2011, 05:24 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i don't understand Maytee's latest:

All you people speculating on beautiful lisa and my gorgeous johnny are way off people please stop with your mocking lies the only one that seen our kids besides law enforcement is my husband johhnys dad and we will not share or say what he encountered at lisas house that night...just so you know you are all way off on your theories stop spreading so many lies woahhhhhh let our poor kids rest in peace and just pray for justice to prevail.



nobody here is saying they saw anything. or lying about anything. Maytee, whoever reports to you about us is twisting up what is said here. or you are misunderstanding the intent of this place. we're not going to stop discussing the case, we want arrests, and nobody is disrespecting Johnny or Lisa. we are one of many online forums, although we may be the forum of record from what i have seen. if you feel we torment you, perhaps don't read here. or join and give your view. but we won't be silenced. we are rational and sympathetic people, nobody here is cruel. nobody is abusive. i also have rules against vicious gossip and wrongful accusations which everyone abides by. what is public record is public record, it can't be hidden. it's all going to be part of the case record and hopefully a trial. i personally wish you healing.

Beautifully put LC.

(03-09-2011, 06:36 PM)kitty1 Wrote:

(03-09-2011, 06:15 PM)fabulous Wrote: someone told me at work today that if you go to the "WTOL" -local tv station- fb page there was some comments about the case that were posted on the newsfeed...and that Maytee piped in as well and responded to what people were saying...did anyone see this?

I am not able to access FB at work, so I haven't checked yet.

Yes. I just checked it out. She is on there a few times. She is saying about the same things she usually says. I also saw on FB i think j will prevail that she has talked to her lawyer becuz MOCK has illegally posted pictures from FB to this site!!!

Perhaps she should read Facebook's Terms of Service: http://www.facebook.com/terms.php -- before she makes crazy "assumptions".

(03-09-2011, 08:51 PM)WolfHouse Wrote:

(03-09-2011, 05:24 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i don't understand Maytee's latest:

All you people speculating on beautiful lisa and my gorgeous johnny are way off people please stop with your mocking lies the only one that seen our kids besides law enforcement is my husband johhnys dad and we will not share or say what he encountered at lisas house that night...just so you know you are all way off on your theories stop spreading so many lies woahhhhhh let our poor kids rest in peace and just pray for justice to prevail.



nobody here is saying they saw anything. or lying about anything. Maytee, whoever reports to you about us is twisting up what is said here. or you are misunderstanding the intent of this place. we're not going to stop discussing the case, we want arrests, and nobody is disrespecting Johnny or Lisa. we are one of many online forums, although we may be the forum of record from what i have seen. if you feel we torment you, perhaps don't read here. or join and give your view. but we won't be silenced. we are rational and sympathetic people, nobody here is cruel. nobody is abusive. i also have rules against vicious gossip and wrongful accusations which everyone abides by. what is public record is public record, it can't be hidden. it's all going to be part of the case record and hopefully a trial. i personally wish you healing.

Beautifully put LC.

Yes indeed beautiful statement.

Just saying hi to all. I had to bow out of this thread because I think it's making me insane.

Carry on.

(03-09-2011, 08:40 PM)WolfHouse Wrote:

(03-09-2011, 03:58 PM)Duchess Wrote:

You guys could pick apart a grain of sand.

I don't say that meanly.

LOL

Now there lies an idea. IS THERE STRANGE SAND OR OIL IN THE RUG?


The study of individual grains can reveal much historical information as to the origin and kind of transport of the grain. Quartz sand that is recently weathered from granite or gneiss quartz crystals will be angular. It is called grus in geology or sharp sand in the building trade where it is preferred for concrete, and in gardening where it is used as a soil amendment to loosen clay soils. Sand that is transported long distances by water or wind will be rounded, with characteristic abrasion patterns on the grain surface. Desert sand is typically rounded.

Was there strange sand anywhere???? Oweeeeeeeee.

You are very good there Wolfhouse - very interesting read.

(03-09-2011, 09:03 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Just saying hi to all. I had to bow out of this thread because I think it's making me insane.

Carry on.

Glad to hear your O.K. that's the main thing - take care - but, gosh hurry back will you.

(03-09-2011, 09:18 PM)NightOwl Wrote:

(03-09-2011, 08:40 PM)WolfHouse Wrote:

(03-09-2011, 03:58 PM)Duchess Wrote:

You guys could pick apart a grain of sand.

I don't say that meanly.

LOL

Now there lies an idea. IS THERE STRANGE SAND OR OIL IN THE RUG?


The study of individual grains can reveal much historical information as to the origin and kind of transport of the grain. Quartz sand that is recently weathered from granite or gneiss quartz crystals will be angular. It is called grus in geology or sharp sand in the building trade where it is preferred for concrete, and in gardening where it is used as a soil amendment to loosen clay soils. Sand that is transported long distances by water or wind will be rounded, with characteristic abrasion patterns on the grain surface. Desert sand is typically rounded.

Was there strange sand anywhere???? Oweeeeeeeee.

You are very good there Wolfhouse - very interesting read.

You making me fun of me?? :O:O Well, that's ok. But we never know
what weird piece of circumstantial evidence can break this case. Cause
I doubt if they had baggies over their hightops. I want these buggers
found like everyone here does.

(03-09-2011, 09:37 PM)WolfHouse Wrote:

(03-09-2011, 09:18 PM)NightOwl Wrote:

(03-09-2011, 08:40 PM)WolfHouse Wrote:

(03-09-2011, 03:58 PM)Duchess Wrote:

You guys could pick apart a grain of sand.

I don't say that meanly.

LOL

Now there lies an idea. IS THERE STRANGE SAND OR OIL IN THE RUG?


The study of individual grains can reveal much historical information as to the origin and kind of transport of the grain. Quartz sand that is recently weathered from granite or gneiss quartz crystals will be angular. It is called grus in geology or sharp sand in the building trade where it is preferred for concrete, and in gardening where it is used as a soil amendment to loosen clay soils. Sand that is transported long distances by water or wind will be rounded, with characteristic abrasion patterns on the grain surface. Desert sand is typically rounded.

Was there strange sand anywhere???? Oweeeeeeeee.

You are very good there Wolfhouse - very interesting read.

You making me fun of me?? :O:O Well, that's ok. But we never know
what weird piece of circumstantial evidence can break this case. Cause
I doubt if they had baggies over their hightops. I want these buggers
found like everyone here does.

YOU DAMN RIGHT~we r all on the same page here

(03-09-2011, 09:03 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Just saying hi to all. I had to bow out of this thread because I think it's making me insane.

Carry on.

Welcome back SS
zero

(03-09-2011, 09:45 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-09-2011, 09:03 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Just saying hi to all. I had to bow out of this thread because I think it's making me insane.

Carry on.

Welcome back SS
zero

Yeah, we know that feeling SS. We are trying to actually find
things to discuss that may pertain to the case without rehashing
everything. We just don't really even know what did and did not
happen. It is FRUSTRATING and makes me sick.

(03-09-2011, 09:37 PM)WolfHouse Wrote:

(03-09-2011, 09:18 PM)NightOwl Wrote:

(03-09-2011, 08:40 PM)WolfHouse Wrote:

(03-09-2011, 03:58 PM)Duchess Wrote:

You guys could pick apart a grain of sand.

I don't say that meanly.

LOL

Now there lies an idea. IS THERE STRANGE SAND OR OIL IN THE RUG?


The study of individual grains can reveal much historical information as to the origin and kind of transport of the grain. Quartz sand that is recently weathered from granite or gneiss quartz crystals will be angular. It is called grus in geology or sharp sand in the building trade where it is preferred for concrete, and in gardening where it is used as a soil amendment to loosen clay soils. Sand that is transported long distances by water or wind will be rounded, with characteristic abrasion patterns on the grain surface. Desert sand is typically rounded.

Was there strange sand anywhere???? Oweeeeeeeee.

You are very good there Wolfhouse - very interesting read.

You making me fun of me?? :O:O Well, that's ok. But we never know
what weird piece of circumstantial evidence can break this case. Cause
I doubt if they had baggies over their hightops. I want these buggers
found like everyone here does.

No I would never ever make fun of you - yes that's right - it could be a tiny particle of something bizzare that could indeed break the case. Yes I want the monster/s found also. We should not overlook anything - that includes all types of people. Your article about sand etc., was just excellent. So thank-you!

(03-09-2011, 05:57 PM)mamabear Wrote:

(02-09-2011, 12:07 AM)LabRat Wrote: I really wish I had ANY faith in the Toledo Police Dept. at all... I guarantee when I get off work tonight there will be 3 marked police cars sitting at their usual Speedway here on the south side, I'm sure they already have all the information they need on this case so no need to do any real investigative work.... I would bet that most of us on this forum know more than some of the officers working the case. Last year Toledo had 11 murders unsolved out of 26 total... that's a 58% solve rate, or 42% of the murders remain unsolved.... not very good chance that this one will be solved IMHO.

Lol, true about local police; they are getting better though, thanks to the Chief weeding out the bad seeds. And, usually the police just patrol and respond; detectives do the sleuthing.

This is not a TPD case. This happened in Holland. TPD might be assisting but it is not theirs.

(03-09-2011, 07:49 PM)kitty1 Wrote: Her is a post from a crime forum that has been discussing this case.
TrashTalksaid:

Lady hypocrite, you have NO rules against viscous gossip at fock forums. The only rule you have is that facebook pages of those being discussed are not posted. Given you have said you can't read facebook, it's no tribute to your integrity that they're not allowed.

Here is but a small portion of the VISCOUS GOSSIP Iv'e read at your website. The only reason Maytee has been invited is to generate publicity for the lame website you run..........

So what is your point Kitty? Aside from Trash Talk calling LC a hypocrite and saying Maytee is invited to generate publicity, I agree with almost everything he says. For the most part I enjoy reading this forum and I think LC does her best to run it with integrity and discourage gossip and wild speculation. Most of the members have good intentions ; they make reasonable observations and discuss the case rationally. HOWEVER, every bit of gossip and speculation Trash Talk mentioned HAS been brought up on here. Some of it disgusts me as well because it seems there are some members that can not stop bashing Maytee and her family - a family that is obviously grieving terribly. The JC Sr/TW" conection speculation was especially repulsive. Fortunately, few if any of us have ever had to deal with this kind of life-shattering tragedy so to speculate on how either family should look or act or express themselves totally unfair and shallow. I am a fan of Mock and I think LC and Duchess and MOST of the members are very intelligent and give good thought-provoking insight but there are a few (I won't name names) that are attention seeking trolls whose input is laughable and/or shameful. In some aspects Trash Talk is right on the money.......

I am also guilty of stalking FB pages and reading into them but that is because I believe these poor kids WERE connected to their killers in some way and even LE uses FB, etc as a resource into victim's backgrounds/connections. For some reason, I am obsessed with this case, probably because I have kids in this age range that aren't angels - they don't do the gangsta talk/lifestyle but they are young adults that have drank and experimented with drugs like MOST teens do.....from either side of the tracks. My kids would fit right in LS' party pics. I really can not even imagine how I would feel if I was one of these parent's but all this cruel "gossip" would break my heart and infuriate me. These kids did not deserve this regardless of ANYTHING they or their families have ever done and I have nothing but compassion for the Straubs AND the Clarkes.

I am reading alot in some of these post doubt that people have with the investigators on this case. Detective work is a science. A puzzle that has to be put together piece by piece. Its very tedious and can be frustrating. I have no doubt in my mind the Sheriffs department, Toledo Police, and the FBI will solve this case. I am positive they have been working non stop on it. One thing we have to remember..... They are the voices for Johnny and Lisa now. They will end up telling their story. We want the answers in a few weeks time...... they want to make a death penalty case. If I have to wait, then I have to wait. I want a solid case too.

(03-09-2011, 10:17 PM)Nina Wrote:

(03-09-2011, 07:49 PM)kitty1 Wrote: Her is a post from a crime forum that has been discussing this case.
TrashTalksaid:

Lady hypocrite, you have NO rules against viscous gossip at fock forums. The only rule you have is that facebook pages of those being discussed are not posted. Given you have said you can't read facebook, it's no tribute to your integrity that they're not allowed.

Here is but a small portion of the VISCOUS GOSSIP Iv'e read at your website. The only reason Maytee has been invited is to generate publicity for the lame website you run..........

So what is your point Kitty? Aside from Trash Talk calling LC a hypocrite and saying Maytee is invited to generate publicity, I agree with almost everything he says. For the most part I enjoy reading this forum and I think LC does her best to run it with integrity and discourage gossip and wild speculation. Most of the members have good intentions ; they make reasonable observations and discuss the case rationally. HOWEVER, every bit of gossip and speculation Trash Talk mentioned HAS been brought up on here. Some of it disgusts me as well because it seems there are some members that can not stop bashing Maytee and her family - a family that is obviously grieving terribly. The JC Sr/TW" conection speculation was especially repulsive. Fortunately, few if any of us have ever had to deal with this kind of life-shattering tragedy so to speculate on how either family should look or act or express themselves totally unfair and shallow. I am a fan of Mock and I think LC and Duchess and MOST of the members are very intelligent and give good thought-provoking insight but there are a few (I won't name names) that are attention seeking trolls whose input is laughable and/or shameful. In some aspects Trash Talk is right on the money.......

I am also guilty of stalking FB pages and reading into them but that is because I believe these poor kids WERE connected to their killers in some way and even LE uses FB, etc as a resource into victim's backgrounds/connections. For some reason, I am obsessed with this case, probably because I have kids in this age range that aren't angels - they don't do the gangsta talk/lifestyle but they are young adults that have drank and experimented with drugs like MOST teens do.....from either side of the tracks. My kids would fit right in LS' party pics. I really can not even imagine how I would feel if I was one of these parent's but all this cruel "gossip" would break my heart and infuriate me. These kids did not deserve this regardless of ANYTHING they or their families have ever done and I have nothing but compassion for the Straubs AND the Clarkes.

I wasn't going to just pick and choose items to post. I posted the entire post. Did I say I agreed or disagreed with any of it?? No I did not!

For all you supersleuths check this out...http://science.howstuffworks.com/csi3.htm