(03-24-2011, 06:10 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(03-24-2011, 05:59 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Hey, weren't the Iraqi citizens who were blown to pieces by coalition bombs also unarmed?

Are you comparing what these guys did to what bombing raids do?

They're going to prison for killing innocent people, aren't they? What's the difference?

(03-24-2011, 06:18 PM)shitstorm Wrote: I wish that people would quit acting like the military was out there fighting for our freedom like this was this was the American revolution, or something. THEY AREN'T. Can anyone agree to acknowledge the fucking TRUTH?

I agree with that statement. I support our troops & yes, I can support them & not the power that started this & keeps them there. I've never for a moment felt they were fighting for my freedom.

(03-24-2011, 06:19 PM)shitstorm Wrote: They're going to prison for killing innocent people, aren't they? What's the difference?

Those people weren't killed during an act of war. I wouldn't call them collateral damage.

My dad fought in WWII France & Germany. I know he and all of the other Americans were USED. That was another war we should have never have been in (Europe). For him, like all soldiers, it was a matter of defending yourself, your unit, and living to come home.

(03-24-2011, 06:26 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(03-24-2011, 06:19 PM)shitstorm Wrote: They're going to prison for killing innocent people, aren't they? What's the difference?

Those people weren't killed during an act of war. I wouldn't call them collateral damage.

I don't know anything about the rules of engagement. I'm sure it was a crime. My only point is that they are in a theater of war, surrounded by hostile people, and they've been trained to kill, kill, kill. Statistically, I would expect a percentage to go totally nuts. Had they never been put in that situation, they may have been relatively normal.

(03-24-2011, 06:18 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Iraq and Afghanistan were never a security threat to the USA.

Well, I believe they actually were considered threats to our national security. Iraq had the 'supposed' WMD's and Afghanistan was the training ground for Al-Qaeda. At the time, November of 2001, 90% of the American public agreed that something 'had' to be done in retribution for 9/11.

Now, in hindsight, it's easy to be critical of these wars and what they were really for. I believe the Iraq invasion was little George's present to his dad for unfinished business with Saddam. I think that one WAS personal.

As for Afghanistan, what a nightmare. Trying to form alliances with tribes is not exactly an easy thing. Plus, the history of that country with invading forces. A losing proposition, unless you go in with idea of obliterating the place and starting over.

So many of our brave young men (and women) have lost their lives over there. What a desolate spot. Halfway around the world. We've know for a few years now that there probably won't be a 'victory' there, and we still don't know how to 'exit'.

(03-24-2011, 06:35 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: We've know for a few years now that there probably won't be a 'victory' there, and we still don't know how to 'exit'.

We could just leave. Write your president.

(03-24-2011, 06:40 PM)Cracker Wrote: We could just leave. Write your president.

I thought he actually ran on that platform.

(03-24-2011, 06:30 PM)shitstorm Wrote: My dad fought in WWII France & Germany. I know he and all of the other Americans were USED. That was another war we should have never have been in (Europe).

I find this post to be about as illogical as any I could possibly hope to ever read. Really? Shouldn't have been involved in WWII? Don't think I can actually respond in any way other than:

What are you fuckin' smoking?

Well, everyone with a brain knew there was no reason to go into Iraq - WMDs or not. Lots of countries have WMDs. With Afghanistan, there was a near immediate response to "get Bin Laden" (who had nothing to do with 9/11). The Americans claimed to have Al Qaeda pinned down in some spot in the mountains and what happened? "Al Qaeda" asked for a cease fire and it was granted!!! It was then reported that they all escaped into Pakistan. Erm, what does that tell you?

Now this bitch Hillary Clinton is on the boob tube talking about NATO taking over the no fly zone in Libya. This is exactly as David Icke said - NATO is the world army for the New World Order and Libya is but one domino in the game of WWIII.

(03-24-2011, 07:00 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:

(03-24-2011, 06:30 PM)shitstorm Wrote: My dad fought in WWII France & Germany. I know he and all of the other Americans were USED. That was another war we should have never have been in (Europe).

I find this post to be about as illogical as any I could possibly hope to ever read. Really? Shouldn't have been involved in WWII? Don't think I can actually respond in any way other than:

What are you fuckin' smoking?

The conflict was orchestrated by European banksters. JEWISH banksters funded Hitler, as well as the communists. There was NO LEGITIMATE NATIONAL INTEREST for Americans. We were dragged into that war by leftist progressives and that's a fact.

(03-24-2011, 07:08 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-24-2011, 07:00 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:

(03-24-2011, 06:30 PM)shitstorm Wrote: My dad fought in WWII France & Germany. I know he and all of the other Americans were USED. That was another war we should have never have been in (Europe).

I find this post to be about as illogical as any I could possibly hope to ever read. Really? Shouldn't have been involved in WWII? Don't think I can actually respond in any way other than:

What are you fuckin' smoking?

The conflict was orchestrated by European banksters. JEWISH banksters funded Hitler, as well as the communists. There was NO LEGITIMATE NATIONAL INTEREST for Americans. We were dragged into that war by leftist progressives and that's a fact.

Just read a little bit about David Icke... wow, looney tunes!!! I hope all your arguments aren't based on Mr. Icke's beliefs????

(03-24-2011, 07:14 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:

(03-24-2011, 07:08 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-24-2011, 07:00 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:

(03-24-2011, 06:30 PM)shitstorm Wrote: My dad fought in WWII France & Germany. I know he and all of the other Americans were USED. That was another war we should have never have been in (Europe).

I find this post to be about as illogical as any I could possibly hope to ever read. Really? Shouldn't have been involved in WWII? Don't think I can actually respond in any way other than:

What are you fuckin' smoking?

The conflict was orchestrated by European banksters. JEWISH banksters funded Hitler, as well as the communists. There was NO LEGITIMATE NATIONAL INTEREST for Americans. We were dragged into that war by leftist progressives and that's a fact.

Just read a little bit about David Icke... wow, looney tunes!!! I hope all your arguments aren't based on Mr. Icke's beliefs????

My arguments are based upon my own interest in and reading history. David Icke is not a loon and his knowledge of history is comprehensive. Unless you've read his books you wouldn't be aware of that fact. He DOES explore some weird shit but that's about 1% of his work. History and international politics is his main focus. My views are not based upon his; just in agreement with his.

Just as events are orchestrated today, they were then. The same entities will benefit and continue to consolidate their power - to our detriment.

(03-24-2011, 07:08 PM)shitstorm Wrote: JEWISH banksters funded Hitler.

Yeah sure they did, I am assuming that was before he sent them to the gas chambers?, where did you read that? in one of Icke's books or the Protocols of the elders of Zion?

An anti-semitic conspiracy theorist eh?, lovely.

(03-25-2011, 10:29 AM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote:

(03-24-2011, 07:08 PM)shitstorm Wrote: JEWISH banksters funded Hitler.

Yeah sure they did, I am assuming that was before he sent them to the gas chambers?, where did you read that? in one of Icke's books or the Protocols of the elders of Zion?

An anti-semitic conspiracy theorist eh?, lovely.

You suffer from typical British brainwashing where "the truth is no defense!". Anti semitic? Arabs are semites. Euro Jews are not. Get it correct: it's anti Zionist.

Did you fail to get the memo about who creates money out of thin air and funds wars (all sides)?

If you really care to delve into the financing and manipulation in WWII, you can start with Christian Rakovsky, co-founder of the Communist International. It is a dense and long read but valuable for those interested in 20^th century European history.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociop...hild08.htm

Now, as for the parroting the term "anti semitic", listen to this Israeli minister's response to Amy Goodman (also Jewish) about why that tactic is used:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJ...A7DAA6609B

Gnomes of Zurich = Jews
Reptilians = Jews
Illuminati = Jews
The elites = Jews

You may have fooled other people with your anti semitism but you haven't fooled me.

You speak as though anti semitism doesn't exist, well it does.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

(03-26-2011, 09:54 AM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote: Gnomes of Zurich = Jews
Reptilians = Jews
Illuminati = Jews
The elites = Jews

You may have fooled other people with your anti semitism but you haven't fooled me.

You speak as though anti semitism doesn't exist, well it does.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

What you mean is anti Jewish, not anti semitic (your mind control and brainwashing notwithstanding). Jews are no more semitic than Catholics are Italian (your mind control and brainwashing notwithstanding).

Now, when it comes to "Jewish" there are several meanings of that. Purely religious belief is one. Even that has sub categories, such as Torah Jew, Talmudic Jew, Kabbalahist Jew. I've got nothing against any run of the mill religious Jew, but for the inherent racism instilled in the Talmudic ones.

Then we have secular atheist Jews who don't give a shit about religion. They run the spectrum in politics but are mostly leftists or neocons (who arose from Trotskyism). Most are Zionists but some are not (like Chomsky). It was from this group that we got the murdering Bolsheviks and Zionism - Zionism not requiring religious adherence and communism flat out rejecting it.

Now, what is Zionism (your mind control and brainwashing notwithstanding)? It is the DESIRE FOR A JEWISH STATE or "ISRAEL", and the idea that the Jews are the rightful owners of a certain area in the middle east - which Britain gave Lord Rothschild with the Balfour Declaration. To be clear, this was the British giving away the land of other people in appreciation for the Rothschild banking cabal financing their military aggressions and occupations.

In order to justify the atrocity of the invasion of Palestine, the Zionists created a MYTH about their being a "race"; a special bloodline entitled to Arab land, given to them by "G_d". UN recognition of the Jewish state hasn't stopped that war from still raging, to this day.

Zionism is as evil as the Mafia and is nothing more than an organized crime cabal with Israel as HQ. That cabal is loyal to no one but other members of the tribe. They will and do fuck over anyone who gets in their way, including their own countries. They engage in false flag attacks, with the Mossad being downright infamous in that regard, and they have their loyal see nothing-say nothing Sayanim supporting their crimes.

They are masters of rewriting history to twist events making them perpetual victims. Their undo influence in the media is why we have a million Holocaust movies and virtually none on the atrocities of the communists - from that same war. It's estimated that over 60 million people died in WWII but according the tribe, only 6 million (a disputed figure) matter.

Last but not least is their stranglehold on international finance and the usury which has made them filthy rich (emphasis on filthy). The Rothschilds got where they are by financing wars - all sides - and being in a position to manipulate the outcome. Fiat banking is the scourge of the whole damn planet and the tribe controls and profits from that sheer misery. The whole world is a debt slave to the money changers.

"Give me control of a nation's money
and I care not who makes the laws."

- Meyer Amschel Rothschild

Your mistake, due to your mind control and brainwashing, is in thinking that my not approving of a racist, criminal cabal makes me an "anti semite". I also despise the Roman Catholic church, and I was raised a Catholic. Does make me a self loathing Catholic or an anti Roman/Italian/Catholic/whatever? No. It means I don't like the cabal and those who are loyal to it. PERIOD.

Arabs are semites. If you're so worried about "anti semites", then you'd better turn your attention to the occupiers of Palestinian land and those who murder and torment them. THEY are the anti semites.

In conclusion, I am not confined by your mind control, Zionsist brainwashing, political correctness, and belief in fables.

Why do you continue to insist people are brainwashed when they don't agree with what you have to say? I don't care about all this bullshit, I care about what's going on in my world, the world I participate in on a daily basis, the place I have some control. I don't give a fuck about all this other shit. Everyone in here is entitled to their own opinion, no one has to agree with anyone else. Most of my members are very smart, funny people. They are hardly the type to be brainwashed by anyone.

Duchess, if you have no interest in the subject of Zionism and their crimes, I'm sure you never researched the influence of this particular special interest group. The term "anti semitism" was cooked up by Zionists to chill any and all conversation, investigation or criticism of a criminal cabal. This is no different than when special interest groups and the media say that taking issue with Obama's policies means you're a racist or wanting the illegal immigration and border problem fixed means you're a racist. Those memes are repeated ad nauseam and they are not true. That is brainwashing. Repeat it enough until people start to believe it. I have no probelm with anyone disagreeing with me. I've debated many a Zionist on the merits of Jews being the chosen people. I would never use the term brainwashed to describe someone who merely disagrees with me. I use it because I am confronting a LIE.

Have you been up all night, SS?

Got coke? hahahaha

I did agree with you on this part: "This is no different than when special interest groups and the media say that taking issue with Obama's policies means you're a racist or wanting the illegal immigration and border problem fixed means you're a racist. Those memes are repeated ad nauseam and they are not true."