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Der Spiegel publishes U.S. soldier "kill team" warning-graphic
Israeli Bestseller Breaks National Taboo:
Idea of a Jewish People Invented, Says Historian


No one is more surprised than Shlomo Sand that his latest academic work has spent 19 weeks on Israel's bestseller list -- and that success has come to the history professor despite his book challenging Israel's biggest taboo.

Dr. Sand argues that the idea of a Jewish nation -- whose need for a safe haven was originally used to justify the founding of the state of Israel -- is a myth invented little more than a century ago.

An expert on European history at Tel Aviv University, Dr. Sand drew on extensive historical and archaeological research to support not only this claim but several more -- all equally controversial.

In addition, he argues that the Jews were never exiled from the Holy Land, that most of today's Jews have no historical connection to the land called Israel, and that the only political solution to the country's conflict with the Palestinians is to abolish the Jewish state.

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Translations are under way into a dozen languages, including Arabic and English. But he predicted a rough ride from the pro-Israel lobby when the book is launched by his English publisher, Verso, in the United States next year.

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Dr. Sand's main argument is that until little more than a century ago, Jews thought of themselves as Jews only because they shared a common religion. At the turn of the 20th century, he said, Zionist Jews challenged this idea and started creating a national history by inventing the idea that Jews existed as a people separate from their religion.

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The biggest surprise during his research came when he started looking at the archaeological evidence from the biblical era.

"I was not raised as a Zionist, but like all other Israelis I took it for granted that the Jews were a people living in Judea and that they were exiled by the Romans in 70AD.

"But once I started looking at the evidence, I discovered that the kingdoms of David and Solomon were legends.

"Similarly with the exile. In fact, you can't explain Jewishness without exile. But when I started to look for history books describing the events of this exile, I couldn't find any. Not one.

"That was because the Romans did not exile people. In fact, Jews in Palestine were overwhelmingly peasants and all the evidence suggests they stayed on their lands."

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So if there was no exile, how is it that so many Jews ended up scattered around the globe before the modern state of Israel began encouraging them to "return"?

Dr. Sand said that, in the centuries immediately preceding and following the Christian era, Judaism was a proselytizing religion, desperate for converts. "This is mentioned in the Roman literature of the time."

Jews traveled to other regions seeking converts, particularly in Yemen and among the Berber tribes of North Africa. Centuries later, the people of the Khazar kingdom in what is today south Russia would convert en masse to Judaism, becoming the genesis of the Ashkenazi Jews of central and eastern Europe.

Dr. Sand pointed to the strange state of denial in which most Israelis live, noting that papers offered extensive coverage recently to the discovery of the capital of the Khazar kingdom next to the Caspian Sea.

Ynet, the website of Israel's most popular newspaper, Yedioth Ahronoth, headlined the story: "Russian archaeologists find long-lost Jewish capital." And yet none of the papers, he added, had considered the significance of this find to standard accounts of Jewish history.

One further question is prompted by Dr. Sand's account, as he himself notes: if most Jews never left the Holy Land, what became of them?

"It is not taught in Israeli schools but most of the early Zionist leaders, including David Ben Gurion [Israel's first prime minister], believed that the Palestinians were the descendants of the area's original Jews. They believed the Jews had later converted to Islam."

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(03-27-2011, 06:15 AM)Cracker Wrote: Have you been up all night, SS?

Got coke? hahahaha

I did agree with you on this part: "This is no different than when special interest groups and the media say that taking issue with Obama's policies means you're a racist or wanting the illegal immigration and border problem fixed means you're a racist. Those memes are repeated ad nauseam and they are not true."

Coca~Cola. That's enough! hah

With that, I DO have to go to bed.

Good morning, lol.
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Shitstorm you are talking out of your ringhole, time to put down the David Icke conspiracy koolaid for five minutes.

Jews are touchy about anti-semitism (which does categorically and undeniably exist regardless of what you "choose" to believe) because of centuries of pogroms, massacres, slavery and generally being societies scapegoats over and over and over again.

If I was Jewish I would spend my life constantly looking over my shoulder and with good reason.
We need to punish the French, ignore the Germans and forgive the Russians - Condoleezza Rice.
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Shitstorm, just so you know, I don't read all of that shit, the cut and paste stuff is getting real old.
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(03-27-2011, 10:46 AM)IMaDick Wrote: Shitstorm, just so you know, I don't read all of that shit, the cut and paste stuff is getting real old.

It sure is.

SS could at least try and paraphrase it in their own words for fucks sake.

Lazy.

We need to punish the French, ignore the Germans and forgive the Russians - Condoleezza Rice.
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(03-27-2011, 10:46 AM)IMaDick Wrote: Shitstorm, just so you know, I don't read all of that shit, the cut and paste stuff is getting real old.

Gets old fast, I guess, because I pasted a total of ONE article from a Jewish historian. The other long posts I wrote and are meant to convey facts and thoughts, beyond the one or two or liners your brain can process.

Of course, I mean that in a nice way. Smiley_emoticons_bussi
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Lies, you have CLEARLY copy/pasted here numerous times.
We need to punish the French, ignore the Germans and forgive the Russians - Condoleezza Rice.
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(03-27-2011, 01:24 PM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote: Lies, you have CLEARLY copy/pasted here numerous times.

I just went back and looked and you're right. Out of 19 posts I posted two articles; one, a compilation of snips, at the History Commons, on the British and Afghanistan and the other the Jewish historian. So, I stand corrected, it was two articles, not one.

So, sue me.
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(03-27-2011, 09:42 AM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote: Shitstorm you are talking out of your ringhole, time to put down the David Icke conspiracy koolaid for five minutes.

Jews are touchy about anti-semitism (which does categorically and undeniably exist regardless of what you "choose" to believe) because of centuries of pogroms, massacres, slavery and generally being societies scapegoats over and over and over again.

If I was Jewish I would spend my life constantly looking over my shoulder and with good reason.

The fabrication of Jewish history has zero to do with David Icke.

Lots of peoples have experienced atrocities, massacres, and slavery throughout history. The Jews are no different from the rest of humanity in that regard. The fact you believe they are is a testament to the power and effectiveness of the STORY, created to justify the theft of Arab land and the atrocities against the Palestinians. Any real atrocities suffered by people in history do not excuse criminal behavior now or in the past.
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I don't support some of the action taken by the Jews against the Palestinians, like the illegal land grabs, and bulldozing peoples homes and shooting and killing children throwing stones.

But to say the Jews haven't suffered anymore than anyone else really is fucking bullshit. The have been the worlds whipping boy since biblical times.
We need to punish the French, ignore the Germans and forgive the Russians - Condoleezza Rice.
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Somebody hates Jews, and it isn't OP...

Just sayin'.
(03-15-2013, 07:12 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: You see Duchess, I have set up a thread to discuss something and this troll is behaving just like Riotgear did.
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I love everyone. Smiley_emoticons_biggrin
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I don't. But I don't hate Jews. Well, the smelly kinds with the frizzy hair aren't my favs, but I wouldn't exterminate them.
(03-15-2013, 07:12 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: You see Duchess, I have set up a thread to discuss something and this troll is behaving just like Riotgear did.
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I was being facetious.
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Yeah, because I always see you as an equal-hater, not an indiscriminate lover. Smiley_emoticons_smile
(03-15-2013, 07:12 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: You see Duchess, I have set up a thread to discuss something and this troll is behaving just like Riotgear did.
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That's plain murder. If they had gone a little wiggy and taken some photos of themselves with corpses of legitimate targets, I'd be slightly more understanding about the "stresses of war" argument but these were innocent civilians that they killed for kicks (very different than collateral damage--including damage that is caused by whomever pushed the button).

I agree with whoever said these are the types of people that would probably throw a dog out of a moving car. Sick fuckers.
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(03-27-2011, 02:01 PM)Cracker Wrote: Somebody hates Jews, and it isn't OP...

I'm sure it's okay if they choose to be Jewish in the privacy of their own home.
Commando Cunt Queen
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(03-27-2011, 02:03 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I love everyone. Smiley_emoticons_biggrin

Please be honest, I know there is no love lost between you and me, but not because I have not tried to endear myself to you in my own sweet IMaDICK sort of way.

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I've already copped to my dishonesty.
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(03-27-2011, 02:18 PM)username Wrote:
(03-27-2011, 02:01 PM)Cracker Wrote: Somebody hates Jews, and it isn't OP...

I'm sure it's okay if they choose to be Jewish in the privacy of their own home.

I think she would get more bang for her buck if she decided to hate Catholics or Muslims...
(03-15-2013, 07:12 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: You see Duchess, I have set up a thread to discuss something and this troll is behaving just like Riotgear did.
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