(04-19-2011, 02:58 PM)Adub Wrote: The $$ drug activity $$ that I have seen in Toledo, is heroin and crack. But I hear you, JC & LS were abusing/misusing prescription drugs. And whatever went down on Longacre Lane was related to drugs, imo.

The High-Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas report on Ohio certainly backs your info on crack and heroin: http://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publicati...oh-fs.html

Something you might find interesting is the May 2010 report by the Ohio Prescription Drug Abuse Task Force: http://www.publicsafety.ohio.gov/PrescDr...urces.html

From the PDF:

Prescription opioids (pain medications) are the drugs most often responsible for the rise in fatal overdoses in Ohio. vi The opioids most associated with overdoses are Fentanyl, Oxycodone (OxyContin®), Hydrocodone (Vicodin®), and methadone. In 2008, opioids
caused more overdoses in Ohio than heroin and cocaine combined. vii Other prescription drugs of potential abuse include sedatives, such as Diazepam (Valium®) and Alprazolam (Xanax®), and stimulants, such as Adderall® and Ritalin®. viii

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Diversion is the unlawful channeling of regulated drugs from medical sources to the illicit marketplace of pain medications. xv The practice of diversion is a lucrative business. For example, a bottle of 100 Oxycontin® 80 mg tablets, which normally costs $700-800 at the pharmacy, has a street value of $7,000-8,000. xvi Diversion can occur along all points in the drug delivery process (manufacturers, distributors, physicians, pharmacies, homes etc.), and methods of diversion vary from theft to illegal internet sales and prescription fraud. xvii Two common ways to divert prescription drugs are by deceiving the prescribers (e.g., “doctor shopping”) and through illicit drug prescribing (e.g., “pill mills”).

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Currently in Ohio, there are at least eight pill mills in Scioto County alone (a county of only 76,000 residents). xxii

Food for thought as to motive.

(04-19-2011, 01:28 PM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: Ive often wondered, if, as Johnny was involved in a commotion downstairs, LS heard what was going on, and hid in the closet.

I said the same thing a while back. Nobody is so stupid as to think a wall safe is behind the drywall. I think she hid in the closet and their was a fight in there and the holes in the wall occured because of that. Maybe that's when her head was cut (re: the blood said to have pooled in the bag).

(04-19-2011, 01:29 PM)Duchess Wrote:

Most people profess to want free speech but the reality is many can't handle it, feelings get hurt & people get angry/upset.

Tell me about it.

(04-19-2011, 01:48 PM)Adub Wrote: Pill mills and doctors are a whole different topic, imo.

Agreed and it's an important topic for many reasons. esbee's article caught my attention, though, because I keep asking the question about Johnny & Lisa's Florida trip. Could he have established a FLA drug connection with some serious psycho suppliers? With no information about suspects, Maytee being Cuban, I can't rule out some FLA connection in my mind.

(04-19-2011, 03:17 PM)Adub Wrote:

(04-19-2011, 03:08 PM)pplrcrazy Wrote: Things are very quiet today on FB...

It always seems to happen when Maytee's handlers get wind of what she has been up to. Lots of deleted posts.

I think you'd need a lion tamer to "handle" Maytee

(04-19-2011, 03:49 PM)esbee Wrote: For example, a bottle of 100 Oxycontin® 80 mg tablets, which normally costs $700-800 at the pharmacy, has a street value of $7,000-8,000.

Holy shit :O

esbee, I wish you'd start a thread with the articles you've posted here. I'd love to discuss this topic, in depth.

Multi quote is a beautiful thing. Just sayin'

(04-19-2011, 02:31 PM)Sonny223 Wrote: What kind of professionals think wall safes can be put in the wall with no way to access them?

I think whoever did it put holes in the walls to make it look like a robbery to throw the cops off. Nobody is that fucking stupid......Well maybe but if they were smart enough to do this crime and get away with it, then they have to be a little smarter than that. JMO

(04-19-2011, 08:07 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(04-19-2011, 03:49 PM)esbee Wrote: For example, a bottle of 100 Oxycontin® 80 mg tablets, which normally costs $700-800 at the pharmacy, has a street value of $7,000-8,000.

Holy shit :O

esbee, I wish you'd start a thread with the articles you've posted here. I'd love to discuss this topic, in depth.

Agree, this drug is epidemic in Ohio esbee articles are excellent!
I don't know if Prozac has ever been discussed - too many people that have been on Prozac have committed murder even their own loved ones. A bit off topic but, who ever murdered JC & LS could have been on Prozac. IMO Thanks.

What is going on in here?? Really? They could have been on Prozac? Why don't we list everything they could have been on?

(04-19-2011, 08:09 PM)Fibonacci Prima Wrote: Multi quote is a beautiful thing. Just sayin'

I was just reading along and commenting as I went. Didn't think to to wait and respond to several in one post. My bad, I guess.

Trim quotes - already do it
Multi quotes - okay, I will if that's preferable

Anything else? Maybe not post too much? Keep answers and comments short?

(04-19-2011, 09:10 PM)trixie Wrote: What is going on in here?? Really? They could have been on Prozac? Why don't we list everything they could have been on?

trixie, distortion.

(04-19-2011, 09:22 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [quote='Fibonacci Prima' pid='160156' dateline='1303258172']


I was just reading along and commenting as I went. Didn't think to to wait and respond to sereral in one post. My bad, I guess.

Trim quotes - already do it
Multi quotes - okay, I will if that's preferable

Anything else? Maybe not post too much? Keep answers and comments short?

How do you do the multi quote? I cant find anything about it....:/

That is exactly what she's trying to do IMO. I believe she is literally trying to make their life a living hell so that they end their own lives.
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Correct, or perhaps even a staged suicide? IMO. But the way I see it...the truth is slowly beginning to surface and everyone is attentive.

(04-19-2011, 09:24 PM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: How do you do the multi quote? I cant find anything about it....:/

Look to the right of the quote button. See the bright green plus sign button? When you click that, that post is selected for multi quote. Click it on each post for which you have a comment. When you are ready to reply, click "new reply" and place your responses accordingly. This concludes today's lesson, and my allotment of kindness for at least a year.

There will be a quiz tomorrow.

(04-19-2011, 11:04 PM)Fibonacci Prima Wrote:

(04-19-2011, 09:24 PM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: How do you do the multi quote? I cant find anything about it....:/

Look to the right of the quote button. See the bright green plus sign button? When you click that, that post is selected for multi quote. Click it on each post for which you have a comment. When you are ready to reply, click "new reply" and place your responses accordingly. This concludes today's lesson, and my allotment of kindness for at least a year.

There will be a quiz tomorrow.

Thank you very much. I saw that someone had done that, and really thought it to be a great way to catch up without being a post whore
I appreciate you taking the time to "school" me

As for the question raised here earlier as to why or how a burglar could be so "dumb" as to look for a wall safe appearing to be concealed behind a solid plasterboard wall, by punching holes in the walls, consider the following:

http://compactdynamics.com/tl_home-safet...y_1-8.html

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1. Building a false wall. For a burglary or fire safe that is narrower than the space between two wall studs, follow these steps:

• Cut away the wall covering around the planned location of the safe.

• Nail horizontal 2-by-4s between the studs of the existing wall, ½-inch above and below the safe location; add 1-by-4 cleats under the lower 2-by-4. (If the safe is much narrower than the stud spacing, decrease the width of the frame by nailing a vertical 2-by-4 between the horizontal ones.)

• Cut a pair of 2-by-4s to serve as the top and bottom plates for the false wall.

• Use a stud finder to locate the ceiling joists and the unexposed wall studs. Mark the joists on the ceiling. Mark the plates with stud locations that match the existing studs.

• Nail the bottom plate to the floor, spacing it out from the existing wall to accommodate the depth of the safe.

• Nail studs to the top plate and slide this assembly over the bottom plate. Then nail the top plate to the ceiling joists and toenail the studs to the bottom plate.

• Make a cleated 2-by-4 frame in the new wall to match the one in the original wall.
…..

together with assuming arguendo that the perpetrators had either suspected or were led by someone to believe that there was a safe containing much cash and drugs concealed somewhere in the house if they could only find it; that they had already looked in the obvious places and could not find it; and that they dreaded going back to their cohorts or principal plotters and admitting that they were unsuccessful and/or too dumb to find it, leaving behind imagined hundreds of thousands of dollars in currency and drugs;

then I for one would not find it strange for them to start punching holes in the upstairs bedroom walls, likely with the baseball bat left behind, perhaps later found near Lisa's body.

then I for one would not find it strange for them to start punching holes in the upstairs bedroom walls, likely with the baseball bat left behind, perhaps later found near Lisa's body.[/b]
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Great information and post Methu.

The fact that it was in the parent's room - which I strongly doubt
Lisa and Johnny had access to, does that make you wonder if
it might have something to do with 'someone' thinking the Straubs'
kept alot of money around? (Like they would when on a
vacation.)

Someone was misinformed about something.

I wonder who?

leaving behind imagined hundreds of thousands of dollars in currency and drugs;

then I for one would not find it strange for them to start punching holes in the upstairs bedroom walls, likely with the baseball bat left behind, perhaps later found near Lisa's body.[/b]
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I don't buy it that there was ever cash in the safe. There may have actually been a safe, but it probably only contained important paperwork and documents that can't be replaced. Besides do you know anyone who actually keeps money in a safe anymore? This isn't 1940 (where everyone stashed cash inside of their homes), and with a struggling economy...Nobody has a hundred thousand dollars in cash. I still firmly believe that the holes in the wall weremerely a diversion to throw cops off, as well as other things that went on inside of that home that night. IMO-This case will be solved only by looking and thinking outside of the box....I think Detectives do need a fresh set of eyes to bring some new light into the investigation.

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leaving behind imagined hundreds of thousands of dollars in currency and drugs;

then I for one would not find it strange for them to start punching holes in the upstairs bedroom walls, likely with the baseball bat left behind, perhaps later found near Lisa's body.[/b]
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Sorry, I left out that this was from a quote from Methsala