(05-08-2011, 08:20 AM)thekid65 Wrote: One thing I've noticed about you liberal Euros is that you dance around questions that go against your personal beliefs. Take the death penalty for example..I'd wager you're against it (although I could be wrong) like most other Euros. You all think of it as "nothing but revenge". I've had these type of discussions with a lot of Brits/Euros on other boards, and when I make it more personal like "Suppose you walked into your tiny little shithole/flat that you refer to as home, and caught some bloke raping your wife, or daughter...would you not make sure that motherfucker ever saw the light of day again, and mete out your own form of death penalty?

All of them say yes. So I ask, well then, what's the difference between that, and the state/government doing it? And of course, just like the way you "answered", the backstroking begins saying it's a hypothetical situation.

So, I'll give you one more chance fucknugget...Assuming you have loved ones, and they were in emanate danger, would you not agree to waterboarding..or hell..even physical torture being applied to a person that had information that would save their lives?

I'll patiently await your response

I support the death penalty.

I do not support torture under ANY circumstances because the information gleaned through its use is not reliable and I object to its use on moral grounds.

Next fucknugget?

Well finally a decent answer. Although it's puzzling to me how you could support one, w/o supporting the other.

I realize it's hard to think about hypothetical's, but I'd still wager you'd use every means possible to save a loved one. If not, I'd liken you to the Christian Scientist who would rather see his kid die as opposed to going against his beliefs and taking him to the doctor.

(05-08-2011, 08:45 AM)thekid65 Wrote: Well finally a decent answer. Although it's puzzling to me how you could support one, w/o supporting the other.

That's because you are too dense to realise that the death penalty and torture are two completely seperate issues.

I support the death penalty not because I support state sponsored murder and revenge but because it is the only way of 100% guaranteeing that the most dangerous offenders won't ever be able to re-offend.

(05-08-2011, 09:10 AM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote: That's because you are too dense to realise that the death penalty and torture are two completely seperate issues.

I support the death penalty not because I support state sponsored murder and revenge but because it is the only way of 100% guaranteeing that the most dangerous offenders won't ever be able to re-offend.

Would not locking him/her in a 6' x 12' cell in a max security prison, with no chance of parole serve the same purpose, as most of your countrymen assert?

I prefer suffering as opposed to instant death in the case of my enemies.

(05-08-2011, 09:19 AM)thekid65 Wrote: Would not locking him/her in a 6' x 12' cell in a max security prison, with no chance of parole serve the same purpose, as most of your countrymen assert?

What my "countrymen" assert is irrelevant to this discussion.

Offenders DO still sometimes escape from maximum security prisons, plus I don't see why the taxpayer should pay for 40 years bed and board for a murdering or child molesting piece of shit.

The death penalty shouldn't be a costly long and drawn out legal mess, it should be swift and good value for money. The cost of a rope and a gallows.

Suffering is good.

(05-08-2011, 09:54 AM)Duchess Wrote:

Suffering is good.

I don't class three free hot meals a day, a free warm please to sleep every night, and the chance to educate yourself paid for by the state as "suffering".

(05-08-2011, 09:40 AM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote:

(05-08-2011, 09:19 AM)thekid65 Wrote: Would not locking him/her in a 6' x 12' cell in a max security prison, with no chance of parole serve the same purpose, as most of your countrymen assert?

What my "countrymen" assert is irrelevant to this discussion.

Offenders DO still sometimes escape from maximum security prisons, plus I don't see why the taxpayer should pay for 40 years bed and board for a murdering or child molesting piece of shit.

The death penalty shouldn't be a costly long and drawn out legal mess, it should be swift and good value for money. The cost of a rope and a gallows.

Agreed (for once) on the death penalty thing being a long, drawn-out process..that usually ends up costing the taxpayers 100's of 1000's of dollars through the appeals process. That's one thing I admire about some countries that we consider "barbaric"...you're sentenced to death..execution is carried out immediately.

And no, what your countrymen assert is not irrelevant..as you consistently lump the opinions/stereotypes of some Americans and take that to voice your opinion/perception of what all Americans are like (although, I think you're more intelligent than that, and primarily use things in a weak-ass attempt to stir the shitpot on a message board)

Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot, eh? Oh well, at least we do have the death penalty in the majority of our states, as inefficient as it may be.

(05-08-2011, 09:56 AM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote: I don't class three free hot meals a day, a free warm please to sleep every night, and the chance to educate yourself paid for by the state as "suffering".

Point taken.

(05-08-2011, 09:57 AM)thekid65 Wrote: And no, what your countrymen assert is not irrelevant..as you consistently lump the opinions/stereotypes of some Americans and take that to voice your opinion/perception of what all Americans are like (although, I think you're more intelligent than that, and primarily use things in a weak-ass attempt to stir the shitpot on a message board)

The main reason I post at Mock is because I have a few friends here and because the little fishys are always so fucking eager to bite.

Thanks for stating the obvious..the problem is, that anyone with half a brain can see through the majority of your bullshit for what it is...bullshit.

But keep trying skippy..it's amusing to me to see you make a fool of yourself.

You should post more in the "big thread"...susceptible idiots are much more prevalent there, and you'd feel right at home.

(05-08-2011, 10:10 AM)thekid65 Wrote: Thanks for stating the obvious..the problem is, that anyone with half a brain can see through the majority of your bullshit for what it is...bullshit.

But keep trying skippy..it's amusing to me to see you make a fool of yourself.

You should post more in the "big thread"...susceptible idiots are much more prevalent there, and you'd feel right at home.

A self confessed "uneducated" man like yourself calling me an idiot is so hypocritical and deluded it almost creates a rip in the space-time continuum.

I may not be as smart as I like to think I am but I am infinitely smarter than you.

Wrong again fucknugget...I will give you this though, you are more adept at posting asinine statements on the interwobble than myself. Kudos to you!

(05-08-2011, 10:29 AM)thekid65 Wrote: Wrong again fucknugget...I will give you this though, you are more adept at posting asinine statements on the interwobble than myself. Kudos to you!

I take my hat off to you for confirming just how uneducated you are and your amazing ability to form bullshit opinions on things most of which you know fuck all about.

Also your complete inability to understand a simple probability problem was another shining example of your complete and utter lack of functioning braincells!

Take a bow dipshit!

(05-08-2011, 10:00 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(05-08-2011, 09:56 AM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote: I don't class three free hot meals a day, a free warm please to sleep every night, and the chance to educate yourself paid for by the state as "suffering".

Point taken.

and the typo ignored.

OP, your schooling is being paid for on the backs of the tax payer, why the fuck is that a big deal for you boy?

the lack of an education is one of the reasons why people turn to crime, the prison system is supposed to rehabilitate, you know little man, take a criminal and change his mind so that he doesn't re offend when released.

(05-08-2011, 11:17 AM)IMaDick Wrote: and the typo ignored.

I only pay attention to yours, you're..well..special.

(05-08-2011, 11:17 AM)IMaDick Wrote: and the typo ignored.

OP, your schooling is being paid for on the backs of the tax payer, why the fuck is that a big deal for you boy?

the lack of an education is one of the reasons why people turn to crime, the prison system is supposed to rehabilitate, you know little man, take a criminal and change his mind so that he doesn't re offend when released.

Fail 1 - Only your typos are retarded -

Fail 2 - I have a student loan to fund my new education that I will have to pay back every penny of once I start my new job. The UK taxpayer has given me nothing and I owe then nothing.

Fail 3 - The only way to ensure 100% that serious offenders don't re-offend is if they are six feet under. Rehabilitation in most cases doesn't work. Most prisoners come out of prison knowing how to commit more offences than before they went in.

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Fail 1 - Only your typos are retarded -

Delusional psychosis

Fail 2 - I have a student loan to fund my new education that I will have to pay back every penny of once I start my new job. The UK taxpayer has given me nothing and I owe then nothing.

Defaults are common for student loans you will add to that statistic, based on not getting the job because of your past mental instability

Fail 3 - The only way to ensure 100% that serious offenders don't re-offend is if they are six feet under. Rehabilitation in most cases doesn't work. Most prisoners come out of prison knowing how to commit more offences than before they went in.


Just because some fail is no reason to give up on everyone, you should know that or else you would never have even had the attempt at treating your delusional psychosis

As usual you have shown your utter disregard for your fellow man and your complete lack of understanding of how statistics are used to determine and reach a reasonable conclusion.

This is also a symptom of delusional psychosis, your inability to see beyond your own fucked up view of the world and it's inhabitants.

Quote:I have a student loan to fund my new education that I will have to pay back every penny of once I start my new job. The UK taxpayer has given me nothing and I owe then nothing.

Bwhahahahaha...and you make fun of me for being adopted and uneducated.

But yet, I've made a very successful career for myself, and am not in school past the age of 30.

Although, I commend you for finally trying to get yourself a well paying job. How long did you flip burgers, and how many low paying jobs did you get fired from until you decided it was time to "go back to school"

OP finally making something of his life...just when the rest of us are retiring