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Blacks are arrested and charged with violent crimes at a rate 10 times that of white people even though they are less than 20% of the population. Three times more for Hispanics even though they are around 8% of the population.

As I said, y'all can live in the ghetto if you want. Not this Cracker. Or you can welcome them into your own neighborhood and turn it into a ghetto. It is your choice.

WTF Wyoming!

(12-07-2011, 01:26 AM)MikeyA Wrote: WTF Wyoming!

I guess it is safe to fuck people from West Virginia, I just don't want to...

AIDS hates the cold.

(12-06-2011, 06:37 PM)Cracker Wrote: I'm sure you feel every statement made by a white person is racism. I know it must be hard being a dark person in the white man's world.

That was just more cheaping out with exaggeration and assuming (your specialty). But hey, if it helps you deal ...

(12-06-2011, 11:08 PM)Cracker Wrote: Blacks are arrested and charged with violent crimes at a rate 10 times that of white people even though they are less than 20% of the population.

Is anyone really surprised that a less educated, previously enslaved group treated horribly for the vast majority of its existence here has such poor stats? I mean really, is anyone surprised at all?

(12-08-2011, 12:46 AM)Middle Finger Wrote:

(12-06-2011, 11:08 PM)Cracker Wrote: Blacks are arrested and charged with violent crimes at a rate 10 times that of white people even though they are less than 20% of the population.

Is anyone really surprised that a less educated, previously enslaved group treated horribly for the vast majority of its existence here has such poor stats? I mean really, is anyone surprised at all?

Yeah, well when one of them was elected president and leader of the free world it kind of fucks up the whole "whoa is me, my ancestors were slaves and I'm repressed and I can't possibly get ahead" kind of mentality. Time to move on....

(12-08-2011, 12:46 AM)Middle Finger Wrote:

(12-06-2011, 11:08 PM)Cracker Wrote: Blacks are arrested and charged with violent crimes at a rate 10 times that of white people even though they are less than 20% of the population.

Is anyone really surprised that a less educated, previously enslaved group treated horribly for the vast majority of its existence here has such poor stats? I mean really, is anyone surprised at all?

You know white people were enslaved, too, right? European Christians had a hell of a time over in the dark lands. Look it up.

Ever wonder if it was just religion that make whitey come to this country? Ever been to a West VIrginia coal mine? Ever read about the Irish famines or conditions other white people endured? You can't honestly give that excuse only to black Americans. Many people have had a fucked up history be we keep on truckin'. I'm pretty sure most of Mexico lives a slave-like existence.

Now, please explain Africa to me. Most live in extreme poverty and FREEDOM. The first people lived there, so you have to agree they have had an extra million years to get their shit together.

Your argument doesn't fly and your excuse is harmful. If you expect people to be shitty, they will be. If you expect people to behave decently, they eventually will. If you really love dark people, make them behave instead excusing their bad behavior. Education is free here for everybody. There is no good excuse for acting like shit and fucking up every neighborhood.

Women lived as slaves here for as long as the blacks did be we clean shit up and try not to shoot each other.

(12-08-2011, 01:14 AM)username Wrote:

(12-08-2011, 12:46 AM)Middle Finger Wrote:

(12-06-2011, 11:08 PM)Cracker Wrote: Blacks are arrested and charged with violent crimes at a rate 10 times that of white people even though they are less than 20% of the population.

Is anyone really surprised that a less educated, previously enslaved group treated horribly for the vast majority of its existence here has such poor stats? I mean really, is anyone surprised at all?

Yeah, well when one of them was elected president and leader of the free world it kind of fucks up the whole "whoa is me, my ancestors were slaves and I'm repressed and I can't possibly get ahead" kind of mentality. Time to move on....

I don't believe Obama's family represents or was a product of the wholesale abuse, discrimination, and oppression that went on in America. More importantly, mass scale civil rights abuse and neglect went on all over America until only relatively recently. Now, only a generation or two from that era, of course there is still entrenched poverty and a negative culture. I'm just saying, is anyone really surprised? Your response sounds like a defensive denial. I am all about individual responsibility but I am not going to play stupid and pretend that it's some big mystery as to why the stats are the way they are.

(12-08-2011, 03:36 AM)Cracker Wrote:

(12-08-2011, 12:46 AM)Middle Finger Wrote:

(12-06-2011, 11:08 PM)Cracker Wrote: Blacks are arrested and charged with violent crimes at a rate 10 times that of white people even though they are less than 20% of the population.

Is anyone really surprised that a less educated, previously enslaved group treated horribly for the vast majority of its existence here has such poor stats? I mean really, is anyone surprised at all?

You know white people were enslaved, too, right? European Christians had a hell of a time over in the dark lands. Look it up.

Ever wonder if it was just religion that make whitey come to this country? Ever been to a West VIrginia coal mine? Ever read about the Irish famines or conditions other white people endured? You can't honestly give that excuse only to black Americans. Many people have had a fucked up history be we keep on truckin'. I'm pretty sure most of Mexico lives a slave-like existence.

Now, please explain Africa to me. Most live in extreme poverty and FREEDOM. The first people lived there, so you have to agree they have had an extra million years to get their shit together.

Your argument doesn't fly and your excuse is harmful. If you expect people to be shitty, they will be. If you expect people to behave decently, they eventually will. If you really love dark people, make them behave instead excusing their bad behavior. Education is free here for everybody. There is no good excuse for acting like shit and fucking up every neighborhood.

Women lived as slaves here for as long as the blacks did be we clean shit up and try not to shoot each other.

The type, duration, and scale of wholesale enslavement and discrimination that went on with Blacks doesn't compare. So of course there is likely going to be a more severe set of negative byproducts and entrenchments. It's just common sense.

(12-08-2011, 10:15 AM)Middle Finger Wrote: I don't believe Obama's family represents or was a product of the wholesale abuse, discrimination, and oppression that went on in America. More importantly, mass scale civil rights abuse and neglect went on all over America until only relatively recently. Now, only a generation or two from that era, of course there is still entrenched poverty and a negative culture. I'm just saying, is anyone really surprised? Your response sounds like a defensive denial. I am all about individual responsibility but I am not going to play stupid and pretend that it's some big mystery as to why the stats are the way they are.

I've said before, white, black or brown, I think poverty begets crime. Our welfare system is fucked up when it pays more to stay home and not work vs. taking a job at the local fast food chain at minimum wage (or picking apples or whatever).

I don't know how you solve the problem but I think Cracker is right about expecting more. We need more black role models addressing it like Bill Cosby:

We Cannot Blame the White People any Longer

By Dr. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed.D.

They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English.

I can't even talk the way these people talk:

"Why you ain't,
Where you is,
What he drive,
Where he stay,
Where he work,
Who you be...".
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.

And then I heard the father talk.

Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.

In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.

The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.

These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.

$500 sneakers for what?

And they won't spend $200 for "Hooked on Phonics."

I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.

Where were you when he was 2?

Where were you when he was 12?

Where were you when he was 18, and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol?

And where is the father? Or who is his father?

People putting their clothes on backward. Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?

People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?

Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles (piercings) going through her body?

What part of Africa did this come from?

We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa.

I say this all of the time — it would be like white people saying they are European-American — that is totally stupid.

I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don't have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany, Scotland, England, Ireland, or the Netherlands.

The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa — so stop, already!

With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap...and all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem.

We have got to take the neighborhood back.
People used to be ashamed.

Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' — or men or whatever you call them now.

We have millionaire football players who cannot read.

We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks, have to do a better job.

Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.

We have to start holding each other to a higher standard....

I understand all that, and how the solution is not to just excuse bad behavior. That being said, one can still be a racist. One can accomplish that by going out of their way to play down the real, deep, long-term negatives that could naturally arise as a a byproduct of the wholesale and systematic poor treatment of certain groups from every angle over such a long period of time. One can be a racist by acting as if it this bad behavior is all just some inherent flaw with that group due to skin color, instead of looking comprehensively at everything that went into it.

(12-08-2011, 12:47 PM)Middle Finger Wrote: I understand all that, and how the solution is not to just excuse bad behavior. That being said, one can still be a racist. One can accomplish that by going out of their way to play down the real, deep, long-term negatives that could naturally arise as a a byproduct of the wholesale and systematic poor treatment of certain groups from every angle over such a long period of time. One can be a racist by acting as if it this bad behavior is all just some inherent flaw with that group due to skin color, instead of looking comprehensively at everything that went into it.

I guess that explains why the Irish,the orientals " the chinese specifically",the Mexicans and every other nationality are all fucked up.

The Romans, The English, the native americans all took slaves many of them were enslaved longer and in much more brutal circumstances than the Blacks.

History is cool, but only if what you call history is accurate.

what you have done here is single out one group above others who suffered such fates but were able to achieve beyond it.

At some point in the future it becomes a personal failure which is not associated with the past.

(12-08-2011, 01:18 PM)IMaDick Wrote:

(12-08-2011, 12:47 PM)Middle Finger Wrote: I understand all that, and how the solution is not to just excuse bad behavior. That being said, one can still be a racist. One can accomplish that by going out of their way to play down the real, deep, long-term negatives that could naturally arise as a a byproduct of the wholesale and systematic poor treatment of certain groups from every angle over such a long period of time. One can be a racist by acting as if it this bad behavior is all just some inherent flaw with that group due to skin color, instead of looking comprehensively at everything that went into it.

I guess that explains why the Irish,the orientals " the chinese specifically",the Mexicans and every other nationality are all fucked up.

The Romans, The English, the native americans all took slaves many of them were enslaved longer and in much more brutal circumstances than the Blacks.

History is cool, but only if what you call history is accurate.

what you have done here is single out one group above others who suffered such fates but were able to achieve beyond it.

At some point in the future it becomes a personal failure which is not associated with the past.

I agree and understand that last part but obviously Blacks went through historical and systematic oppression on multiple levels, and regardless of how well or under what time frame other people have overcome that, there is still validity in respecting the natural byproducts of their type of suffering. Suggesting the problem is their skin color is ridiculous. That's the position of an ignorant racist.

At some point in time people need to step up and take responsibility for thier own lives and choices. You can't continue to blame everyone else for your problems no matter how bad your ancestors had it.

When it's only a few generations and your parents suffered discrimination and grandparents suffered worse, "ancestors" is not an appropriate term.

Like I've been saying - yes, take responsibility and that is ultimately the solution. That being said, it's ridiculous to act as if systemic oppression only a few generations ago would not have a lasting negative effect that the group would have trouble climbing out of.

(12-08-2011, 02:58 PM)Middle Finger Wrote: When it's only a few generations and your parents suffered discrimination and grandparents suffered worse, "ancestors" is not an appropriate term.

Like I've been saying - yes, take responsibility and that is ultimately the solution. That being said, it's ridiculous to act as if systemic oppression only a few generations ago would not have a lasting negative effect that the group would have trouble climbing out of.

What's ridiculous is making the assumption that the modern social problems of any group of people has anything to do with the past.

Take for instance the native peoples, anyone who claims that the blacks had it harder than the natives is intellectually dishonest, but yet those people who suffered so miserably at the hands of oppression have taken responsibility for their own future, they have fought and won many battles since the decimation which was brought upon their ancestors, and much of it during the same period of time as the blacks were held as slaves.

yet you claim that it is not unreasonable for a person to assume that a people would have a lasting negative affect when you are faced with peoples who have met the challenge of hard work,effort and desire and climbed above their history.

There are two ways to view it, it's either by choice that a people stays down or a lack of a reason to climb and live above the past, go ahead and pick one.

There's a shit ton of people who have no drive/ambition...their background & color appears irrelevant. Screw 'em all.

Only a moron doesn't want more or to be the best they can be. I don't feel sorry for any of them. They all have the right to make choices.

(12-08-2011, 03:19 PM)IMaDick Wrote: What's ridiculous is making the assumption that the modern social problems of any group of people has anything to do with the past.

The past usually has a lot to do with things like this. How could the post-slavery era not be immensely connected to having slave parents and then treated horribly after that? You are kidding yourself if you think your upbringing doesn't have a lot to do with your present.

Let me ask you something. I am not surprised about the state of Blacks this last century, or these last handful of decades since they finally achieved legal civil rights. Are you surprised? Are you seriously surprised by the entrenched difficulties they are having? Why or why not?

(12-08-2011, 03:22 PM)Duchess Wrote:

There's a shit ton of people who have no drive/ambition...their background & color appears irrelevant. Screw 'em all.

Only a moron doesn't want more or to be the best they can be. I don't feel sorry for any of them. They all have the right to make choices.

That's true but do keep in mind that a systemic past and culture of being less-thans really goes a long way to breed morons. It's hard to make good choices when you have an abundance of terrible role models and a lack of family life that traces back many generations.

I'm not making excuses for current people, I am saying many are going to have extreme difficulties compared to the groups you and I come from.