I agree. I will keep doing what I am doing. I want my son to excel. My son is above average intellectually and I know that will also work in his favor.

(01-04-2012, 01:46 AM)Sterling Wrote: Now her kid will smugly say "I'd rather be pissed off then pissed on" because Mom is helping him learn. Brilliant!

At least she cares and tries. Most parents pretend they care but can't be bothered to actually try to help their kid. It is much easier to blame a school than raise a child. I give her a +1 for having a clue that there is a problem and trying to get him help.

For all the parents that want their messed up kid in a regular room so they can learn to be normal, FUCK YOU, that was YOUR JOB, not my kid's job. Shame on you.

I never said I was perfect. U anal asshole mind your own damn business. I wanted some feedback from Cracker not you Nigger ass.

(01-04-2012, 01:51 AM)JsMom Wrote: I never said I was perfect. U anal asshole mind your own damn business. I wanted some feedback from Cracker not your Nigger ass.

(01-04-2012, 01:51 AM)JsMom Wrote: I never said I was perfect. U anal asshole mind your own damn business. I wanted some feedback from Cracker not you Nigger ass.

Maytee - zat you? You are stupid and you made poor life choices. Bummer for you, bitch. Trifecta. I knew it.

Aw.

JsMom will grow on you, Sterling.

I don't mind people who made a few bad choices but are trying to fix things. We all fuck up. It is the people who want someone else to fix the problems they caused themselves that irritate Cracker. Or the ones that pretend there are no problems and life is grand if you will just give people money.

You know all these bleeding hearts don't host skating parties for the asshole kids. They just invite the "good" kids over. We aren't fooled. They don't really want kids wiping boogers on their couch, either.

and Fuck Maydoo and your sorry ass too. You will not get under my skin no matter how hard you try. I'm only human after all. Oh! but you're perfect? Doubt it!

Great thread. Personally, as someone who takes responsibility for my kids in every way, I get sickened by the lack of standards by some parents. I have my own set of books, standards, and activities that are required in my house without regard to what is being taught in school. For example, all my kids had to read the two money/investing books for kids I have, they all save part of any money gifted or earned into savings/investments, they all must truly understand and read the Bill of Rights, they get challenged and rewarded to read extra books on subjects we deem important, and they all are expected to know the difference between things like their and there, than or then. They are expected to do their best job when they do school work, so bad handwriting, mediocre effort, unchecked math problems, or lame baby sentences on research reports are out. They are all straight A students that train in jiu-jitsu, play sports, and have hobbies, video games, and time to play with their two dogs. Excuses by other parents annoy me.

(01-04-2012, 01:20 AM)Cracker Wrote: Funny thing, most kids will behave if you expect them to behave. The ones who won't shouldn't be in the same room with the other kids.

I really liked the way you put this. I think it's spot on.

My oldest son was 9 when his mom and I went through our divorce, and I know it tore him up inside.

He went through a few rough years in public schools.

Honestly, the best thing that happened to him (and me) was my current wife. She worked at a Catholic High School and got him in for his high school years. He went 9-12 and has surprised me with how well he adjusted and has turned out to be a mature young man with a bright future.

The difference maker I believe were the expectations that the school put on him. It was up to him to sink or swim. He didn't know any of those kids before getting there, and really became a big part of his class.

I'd love to put my two younger ones in private school. We'll see how it goes.

(01-04-2012, 09:43 AM)Middle Finger Wrote: Great thread. Personally, as someone who takes responsibility for my kids in every way, I get sickened by the lack of standards by some parents. I have my own set of books, standards, and activities that are required in my house without regard to what is being taught in school. For example, all my kids had to read the two money/investing books for kids I have, they all save part of any money gifted or earned into savings/investments, they all must truly understand and read the Bill of Rights, they get challenged and rewarded to read extra books on subjects we deem important, and they all are expected to know the difference between things like their and there, than or then. They are expected to do their best job when they do school work, so bad handwriting, mediocre effort, unchecked math problems, or lame baby sentences on research reports are out. They are all straight A students that train in jiu-jitsu, play sports, and have hobbies, video games, and time to play with their two dogs. Excuses by other parents annoy me.

I like this MF, a kid needs to learn how to learn, that is something that most parents neglect, the only part I have a little problem with is the reward system, that might be sending a wrong message since most people who excel are seldom rewarded for the effort.

But all in all it has Mocks Legend seal of approval.

I'm not making excuses for my son. I am dealing with it and moving forward. I also make my son read because I wasn't very good at reading and writing. I want him to ecel more than I did. I didn't have the help I give him. I bust my ass with my son. School is most important to me. Anyways... thanks for all opinions. I am over this subject now.

I've never had any behavorial or learning problems with my children. While I'll take some of the credit, I'll give most of it to them. They inherently have good personality traits. They're not shy, but introverted enough to not disrupt a classroom for example, basically I didn't have to teach them to not act like retarded monkeys. I think they would excel regardless of their home enviroment because of their inherent character.

(01-04-2012, 01:20 AM)Cracker Wrote: Which emotional problems aren't nurture?

Because the ones that aren't are caused by drug/alcohol usage during pregnancy. You shouldn't get saint status if you drank when you were pregnant.

You people don't understand education AT ALL. Psychological Education (called pscychoed) is for organic psychological problems, Emotional Behavior Disorders are ALL FUCKING HOME PROBLEMS.

Hmmm, organic psychological problems can include emotional disorders.

"Anxiety (also called angst or worry) is a psychological and physiological state characterized by somatic, emotional, cognitive, and behavioral components".

My daughter has an anxiety disorder; her twin doesn't. She's in GATE, mostly A's with a B or two and isn't disruptive at school.

I agree that kids that are regularly out of line ought to be pulled out, rapped on the knuckles, whatever. I also think that kids that are slow learners ought to have their own classes (not only for the benefit of the "normal" kids but for their own benefit...it would suck to be the kid who is always failing next to his "peers").

Pretty much the only accomodation I ask for my daughter is the occasional extra time on a test when she's in "perfection" mode (and even that's rare--I'm fully aware that future employers won't give her extra time on projects).

(01-04-2012, 12:34 PM)username Wrote:

(01-04-2012, 01:20 AM)Cracker Wrote: Which emotional problems aren't nurture?

Because the ones that aren't are caused by drug/alcohol usage during pregnancy. You shouldn't get saint status if you drank when you were pregnant.

You people don't understand education AT ALL. Psychological Education (called pscychoed) is for organic psychological problems, Emotional Behavior Disorders are ALL FUCKING HOME PROBLEMS.

Hmmm, organic psychological problems can include emotional disorders.

"Anxiety (also called angst or worry) is a psychological and physiological state characterized by somatic, emotional, cognitive, and behavioral components".

My daughter has an anxiety disorder; her twin doesn't. She's in GATE, mostly A's with a B or two and isn't disruptive at school.

I agree that kids that are regularly out of line ought to be pulled out, rapped on the knuckles, whatever. I also think that kids that are slow learners ought to have their own classes (not only for the benefit of the "normal" kids but for their own benefit...it would suck to be the kid who is always failing next to his "peers").

Pretty much the only accomodation I ask for my daughter is the occasional extra time on a test when she's in "perfection" mode (and even that's rare--I'm fully aware that future employers won't give her extra time on projects).

Interesting thoughts, whose are they?

I find it interesting that you tried to fool us.

(01-04-2012, 12:49 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Interesting thoughts, whose are they?

I find it interesting that you tried to fool us.

Good morning to you too, buttknuckle.

(01-04-2012, 11:08 AM)IMaDick Wrote: But all in all it has Mocks Legend seal of approval.

You're starting to go too far with this shit.

(01-04-2012, 11:08 AM)IMaDick Wrote:

(01-04-2012, 09:43 AM)Middle Finger Wrote: Great thread. Personally, as someone who takes responsibility for my kids in every way, I get sickened by the lack of standards by some parents. I have my own set of books, standards, and activities that are required in my house without regard to what is being taught in school. For example, all my kids had to read the two money/investing books for kids I have, they all save part of any money gifted or earned into savings/investments, they all must truly understand and read the Bill of Rights, they get challenged and rewarded to read extra books on subjects we deem important, and they all are expected to know the difference between things like their and there, than or then. They are expected to do their best job when they do school work, so bad handwriting, mediocre effort, unchecked math problems, or lame baby sentences on research reports are out. They are all straight A students that train in jiu-jitsu, play sports, and have hobbies, video games, and time to play with their two dogs. Excuses by other parents annoy me.

I like this MF, a kid needs to learn how to learn, that is something that most parents neglect, the only part I have a little problem with is the reward system, that might be sending a wrong message since most people who excel are seldom rewarded for the effort.

But all in all it has Mocks Legend seal of approval.

Thanks ... and by reward I meant something like an extra hour of play or something because they got into their book and read it in one day, or read an extra book that week ... or perhaps I give them an extra treat because they aced a test. We also reward report cards when they improve from last marking period. When they are young I want it to be rewarding on several levels if they condition themselves to make investments in time, energy, and money. Which is why, for example, we don't do allowances. Besides requiring them to start any kind of small business at the age of 12, they collect their investment income, simulated by us giving them 1% of their accounts total per month. This rewards further investing because more investing means more monthly income for them while teaching concepts like making money your friend, growing money, seeing yourself as an owner, and developing your own income streams instead of depending upon bosses being seen as your only option.

(01-04-2012, 01:33 PM)sally Wrote:

(01-04-2012, 11:08 AM)IMaDick Wrote: But all in all it has Mocks Legend seal of approval.

You're starting to go too far with this shit.

I love it when you stroke my ego.

Ya' know, another thing that chaps my ass is the ESL students. There's one boy in my son's grade at school that has to have another kid interpret for him--he knows that little English. How the hell do you stick a kid like that in a regular pre-algebra class and hope that he'll succeed? How much extra time do the teachers need to take for those kids?

(01-04-2012, 02:34 PM)username Wrote: Ya' know, another thing that chaps my ass is the ESL students. There's one boy in my son's grade at school that has to have another kid interpret for him--he knows that little English. How the hell do you stick a kid like that in a regular pre-algebra class and hope that he'll succeed? How much extra time do the teachers need to take for those kids?

My wife is an ESL teacher and they have their own classroom. It is amazing some of techniques they use. It helps that she knows french, german, spanish and latin, quite a bit of symbolism is used. Even the Asians learn, after one year alone they are fairly good at english.