Ok.

(08-18-2012, 12:42 AM)Riotgear Wrote: Ok.

Ok, you are going to argue my points in your own words and from your own perspective?

I'm looking forward to it.

Careful, your psyche is showing.

(08-18-2012, 12:48 AM)Riotgear Wrote: Careful, your psyche is showing.

It's never hidden. And, yours too.

Are you a Christian?

If you wanna debate what I've posted with counter-points, I'm really open-minded. You're smart. So far, no counterpoints offered to my points, just statements about me personally or my gender. We know what that's called.

No, I'm not a Christian. And you aren't open-minded. Not even a little bit.

(08-18-2012, 01:08 AM)Riotgear Wrote: No, I'm not a Christian. And you aren't open-minded. Not even a little bit.

Please tell me why you believe that I'm not open-minded. Just a statement with no explanation doesn't help me to consider your point.

Well for starters, if you want me to allow you to reinforce your positions by contrasting them with my own you're going to have to do a little better than seeming to appeal to my ego.

I already know I'm smart.

(08-18-2012, 01:18 AM)Riotgear Wrote: Well for starters, if you want me to allow you to reinforce your positions by contrasting them with my own you're going to have to do a little better than seeming to appeal to my ego.

I already know I'm smart.

I am quite aware that you know that, it's not appealing to your ego, it's acknowledging a fact that makes the discussion worthwhile for me.

So, if you're so inclined, how do you see acknowledging and addressing one's weaknesses as being a weakness itself? I see it as the opposite. Truly curious.

(08-18-2012, 01:21 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(08-18-2012, 01:18 AM)Riotgear Wrote: Well for starters, if you want me to allow you to reinforce your positions by contrasting them with my own you're going to have to do a little better than seeming to appeal to my ego.

I already know I'm smart.

I am quite aware that you know that, it's not appealing to your ego, it's acknowledging a fact that makes the discussion worthwhile for me.

So, if you're so inclined, how do you see acknowledging and addressing one's weaknesses as being a weakness itself? I see it as the opposite. Truly curious.

I doubt that, but what the hell -

Acknowledging weakness manifests weakness. The idea that spending time identifying and supposedly addressing weakness equals strength is a bullshit sale. All you're really doing is creating a circle for yourself to run around so you feel like you're getting something done. A weakness cannot by definition be a strength. And spending time staring at your short comings doesn't change the fact that they're short comings because you've identified them as such. The whole thing is a waste of time.

(08-18-2012, 01:36 AM)Riotgear Wrote:

(08-18-2012, 01:21 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(08-18-2012, 01:18 AM)Riotgear Wrote: Well for starters, if you want me to allow you to reinforce your positions by contrasting them with my own you're going to have to do a little better than seeming to appeal to my ego.

I already know I'm smart.

I am quite aware that you know that, it's not appealing to your ego, it's acknowledging a fact that makes the discussion worthwhile for me.

So, if you're so inclined, how do you see acknowledging and addressing one's weaknesses as being a weakness itself? I see it as the opposite. Truly curious.

I doubt that, but what the hell -

Acknowledging weakness manifests weakness. The idea that spending time identifying and supposedly addressing weakness equals strength is a bullshit sale. All you're really doing is creating a circle for yourself to run around so you feel like you're getting something done. A weakness cannot by definition be a strength. And spending time staring at your short comings doesn't change the fact that they're short comings because you've identified them as such. The whole thing is a waste of time.

I was truly curious. I won't tell you that I am if I'm not. I just won't engage. Thanks for the response.

I understand your point. Here's where I see it differently.

If someone consistently blows off responsibilities and appointments because they get distracted with something else or just don't care enough and it negatively impacts their relationships and/or business, it's a weakness. If they don't acknowledge it and instead make an excuse as to why they flaked every time and keep doing it, the negative repercussions will continue.

If, instead, they see the pattern, acknowledge the weakness and work towards improving upon it (making schedules, not committing prematurely, whatever...), then they can minimize negative impacts. It doesn't have to take a lot of time or effort (depends on the extent of the problem and the person); the acknowledgment and commitment for improvement is the major step forward, imo.

So, how does addressing such a weakness hurt a person? I undertand the point you made, but I can't yet see how it applies practically.

Btw, I'm not suggesting that just as much focus should not be put on cultivating the strengths/positives, I'm just of the opinion that both must be tended to in order to really grow. And, I don't see addressing weaknesses as a strength, just a responsibility to one's self (it classifies as neither a strength or a weakness, imo).

Sometime you waffle between specifics and generalities. That's what makes me think you like to use people to harden your tools on an anvil of opposites.

"...who desires nothing, is pure, skilful in all actions, indifferent to whatever comes, not pained or afflicted by any result or happening, who has given up all initiative of action."

-Bhagavad Gita

(08-18-2012, 01:59 AM)Riotgear Wrote: Sometime you waffle between specifics and generalities. That's what makes me think you like to use people to harden your tools on an anvil of opposites.

"...who desires nothing, is pure, skilful in all actions, indifferent to whatever comes, not pained or afflicted by any result or happening, who has given up all initiative of action."

-Bhagavad Gita

Okay. I will support a general opinion with specific examples. It's not waffling; it's reinforcing.

RG, I'm not quite sure how this became about me using anyone or about anyone being right or wrong. I really just like to hear other people's intepretations or opinions on topics of interest, if the other person is interesting (and you are, to me).

Will just take this as a thread to post FN quotes and not a discussion thread. No usage or offense intended. I typically like interacting with you. Nothing more serious than that (except FN's philosophies).

Goodnight. I'll probably dream about gardening, damn it!

Would you like some help with that last nail or can you manage?

If you're not sure why don't you go re-read the conversation.

So, I don't pull punches. But you already knew that.

(08-18-2012, 02:17 AM)Riotgear Wrote: Would you like some help with that last nail or can you manage?

If you're not sure why don't you go re-read the conversation.

So, I don't pull punches. But you already knew that.

I don't get where you're coming from, but that's okay. No nails on my end, just a discussion that's more than run its course.

Ok.