(11-13-2012, 08:50 PM)NightOwl Wrote:

(11-13-2012, 08:33 PM)gurl2323 Wrote: Sam had an alibi , they just couldnt prove his place and time but they did subpoena the hotel correct

What was Sam's alibi? That may help us on here.

So are we back to Destiny Madrid with the alibi? Or what?

yes we are adub , and thank you OTD i over looked that

Just like to point out that Julia Bates was not the prosecutor in the courtroom for Williams. Can't remember who they were, but Julia Bates is the Prosecutor for Lucas County.

I'm pretty sure it is an elected position. No bias there. Period. Her husband was Pettaway's Judge. Nothing appealable there for Williams, imo.

Which is what I'm waiting to read. Williams has already gotten two extensions. Hopefully the appeal will be filed and ready to read by Dec 6^th.

(11-14-2012, 09:51 AM)Adub Wrote: So are we back to Destiny Madrid with the alibi? Or what?

I'm not as familiar with many of these people as you are so excuse me if I'm wrong but wasn't she imprisoned for awhile? I seem to recall there was some thought that she may have been involved in some manner maybe even as the driver. I guess it must have been nothing given they cut her loose.

(11-14-2012, 10:08 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(11-14-2012, 09:51 AM)Adub Wrote: So are we back to Destiny Madrid with the alibi? Or what?

I'm not as familiar with many of these people as you are so excuse me if I'm wrong but wasn't she imprisoned for awhile? I seem to recall there was some thought that she may have been involved in some manner maybe even as the driver. I guess it must have been nothing given they cut her loose.

Obstruction of Justice. She had Wingate as her attorney and it went to the Grand Jury and they came back with a no bill. Doesn't mean that she didn't lie, though.

Eric Yingling-He knew details that were not known to the public...only known to those that were there.
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Yes, Eric seemed very believable inside of the courtroom...but let's not forget that he stated himself while on the stand that he was a lifetime criminal and theif and said that he considered himself to have excellent computer skills. I'm not convinced on his whole testimony. The graphic details Sam supposedly told him about the sound the bag made as Lisa gasped for her last breathe could have easily been made up. We may never know if in fact E.T. was ever in that house and took part in the killings along with Cam. Yingling's story would be so much more believable if either suspects DNA were found on the bodies or elsewhere in the house.
There are so many things about this case that disturb me from the very beginning. I feel that the investigation got off track and lost their focus when they got a hit on the cig butt. Imo- the real killers are in fact out there walking the streets. IMO-this case would have never happened if it weren't for the Clarkes. IMO-"Maytee is the master-mind behind a robbery gone wrong". IMO-this case has Maytee written all over it and it is consuming her every thought. The evidence has actually always been there from the very beginning starting with the 9-11 calls where she "knew Johnny and Lisa were dead" because she kept calling back and even insisted on filing a missing person report on Johnny the second time she called. The Clarkes have intentionally wasted valuable time by taking detectives down empty paths with constant lies (IMO-to throw cops off). People who know the Clarkes though, are not fooled by their dramatic acting at all. This case is supposedly still active. If so, I expect their arrest to be coming.

(11-13-2012, 08:18 PM)gurl2323 Wrote: lets also not forget that a lil connection between yingling and the case , his prosecuting attorney was Julia Bates . Ring a belll there

First of all, lets put an end to the Juila Bates conspiracy theory. Julia Bates is the Lucas County Prosecuter - an elected official. All of the criminal felony cases come through her office. She supervises a team of prosecuting attorneys. You will always see her name/office come up on these cases because that is the way the system works.

Second - Do you have proof that Julia Bates was the prosecuting attorney for Eric Yingling? I tried to find it and couldn't see her name connected with his non-payment of support. Can you share the link?

The prosecutor for Yingling was Patricia C Hays

(11-14-2012, 12:26 PM)Adub Wrote: The prosecutor for Yingling was Patricia C Hays

Exactly. Just putting an end to nonsense.

(11-14-2012, 10:08 AM)Adub Wrote: I'm pretty sure it is an elected position. No bias there. Period. Her husband was Pettaway's Judge. Nothing appealable there for Williams, imo.

(11-14-2012, 12:05 PM)LoserCity Wrote: First of all, lets put an end to the Juila Bates conspiracy theory. Julia Bates is the Lucas County Prosecuter - an elected official. All of the criminal felony cases come through her office. She supervises a team of prosecuting attorneys. You will always see her name/office come up on these cases because that is the way the system works.

Thank you both (& everyone else) for the clarification. I also received a few emails and messages indicating the same information. The gist of this is Ms. Bates is an elected official who is overseeing the process of her office and is involved to an extent. However, she does not personally prosecute these cases; since there are a number of assistant prosecutors assigned to various criminal proceedings under her supervision. I do not see a conflict of interest in terms of her husband being a Judge, and Mrs. Bates is not directly in the courtroom trying a case in front of him. Actually, its impressive that two people can hold such high profile elected positions and be married.

(11-14-2012, 12:02 PM)truth be told Wrote: Eric Yingling-He knew details that were not known to the public...only known to those that were there.

This snippet is from the Toledo Blade on Yingling's testimony,"Yingling testified that Williams told him that he, Mr. Pettaway, and a third man went to the Straub home looking for heroin and cash."

The Blade never names the third man, Mock is the only place the third man was mentioned, where did Yingling dig up the name ET?

Does anyone know if the Detectives' got DNA from Johnny Clarke's father and mother? I am assuming here that both parents were swabbed since they were all over the two bodies.

(11-14-2012, 04:14 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Does anyone know if the Detectives' got DNA from Johnny Clarke's father and mother? I am assuming here that both parents were swabbed since they were all over the two bodies.

There is no doubt that was probably done. The investigators should have swabbed all relatives and those assosicated with the case. Even as the investigation progresses, swabs should be taken of any persons of interest. It is standard practice in most felony investigations.

Yes i do have the proof that Julia bates was the prosecuting attorney for him , while being charged with non support of defendants , give me a minute and i will pull it up for you all !

Everyone just bare with me , i was into a bunch of documents last night and yes she was there on the prosecuting side . Let me go through all these again , might take a bit but i will find it and post it for everyone

by chance , do you we know the name of the ''snitch'' that was suppose to take stand at cameo pettaways trial but then later decided to not do it

(11-14-2012, 10:08 AM)Adub Wrote: Just like to point out that Julia Bates was not the prosecutor in the courtroom for Williams. Can't remember who they were, but Julia Bates is the Prosecutor for Lucas County.

I'm pretty sure it is an elected position. No bias there. Period. Her husband was Pettaway's Judge. Nothing appealable there for Williams, imo.

Which is what I'm waiting to read. Williams has already gotten two extensions. Hopefully the appeal will be filed and ready to read by Dec 6^th.

Just to make it clear i never said anything about bates being involved with Williams trial , i made it clear that i was talking about pettaway trial only.

(11-14-2012, 05:08 PM)gurl2323 Wrote: Yes i do have the proof that Julia bates was the prosecuting attorney for him , while being charged with non support of defendants , give me a minute and i will pull it up for you all !

Thanks to a lurker, I was given this information already. I'll save you the work.

Source: Lucas County Common Pleas Court (Toledo, Ohio) Website.

10/26/2011
Title : ARR HELD AND COUNSEL APPOINTED
G -4801 -CR -201101992-000
October 26, 2011. Court Reporter KELLY WINGATE, Assistant
Prosecutor PATRICIA HAYS, and Defendant, ERIK S YINGLING
present in court. Indigency hearing held. Defendant notified of application
fee for appointment of counsel. LAWRENCE A GOLD appointed as counsel. Counsel present and arraignment held. Defendant acknowledged receipt of a copy of the indictment, waived any defects as to time, place or manner of service, and waived its reading in open Court. Defendant entered a plea of Not Guilty. Matter set for pretrial on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 at 9:00 a.m. Bond hearing held. Bond ordered set at Supervised Own Recognizance.
JUDGE GARY G. COOK

(11-14-2012, 05:15 PM)gurl2323 Wrote: Just to make it clear i never said anything about bates being involved with Williams trial , i made it clear that i was talking about pettaway trial only.

G -4801 -CR -201102645-000
10/20/2011 1 Title : MIS:CASE CONT AT DEF REQUEST 72-000014604 issued by 226 ()
Dated October 20, 2011. Court Reporter JANET TERRY ordered. State of Ohio: JEFFREY LINGO. Defendant, CAMEO PETTAWAY present in court.
Judge James Bates

(11-14-2012, 02:58 PM)Sphincter Cop Wrote:

(11-14-2012, 10:08 AM)Adub Wrote: I'm pretty sure it is an elected position. No bias there. Period. Her husband was Pettaway's Judge. Nothing appealable there for Williams, imo.

(11-14-2012, 12:05 PM)LoserCity Wrote: First of all, lets put an end to the Juila Bates conspiracy theory. Julia Bates is the Lucas County Prosecuter - an elected official. All of the criminal felony cases come through her office. She supervises a team of prosecuting attorneys. You will always see her name/office come up on these cases because that is the way the system works.

Thank you both (& everyone else) for the clarification. I also received a few emails and messages indicating the same information. The gist of this is Ms. Bates is an elected official who is overseeing the process of her office and is involved to an extent. However, she does not personally prosecute these cases; since there are a number of assistant prosecutors assigned to various criminal proceedings under her supervision. I do not see a conflict of interest in terms of her husband being a Judge, and Mrs. Bates is not directly in the courtroom trying a case in front of him. Actually, its impressive that two people can hold such high profile elected positions and be married.

ok i just seen this and that does make more sense to me , i just thought it was coincedence when i had seen her name pull up one of the documents . So Sorry guys but this why every ones opinions matter right now , because its helping . even if you dont want to . Its helping . So thank you , but just in case i do find that one , ill still show you guys where i got the confusion on her name being there .

(11-14-2012, 05:16 PM)Sphincter Cop Wrote:

(11-14-2012, 05:08 PM)gurl2323 Wrote: Yes i do have the proof that Julia bates was the prosecuting attorney for him , while being charged with non support of defendants , give me a minute and i will pull it up for you all !

Thanks to a lurker, I was given this information already. I'll save you the work.

Source: Lucas County Common Pleas Court (Toledo, Ohio) Website.

10/26/2011
Title : ARR HELD AND COUNSEL APPOINTED
G -4801 -CR -201101992-000
October 26, 2011. Court Reporter KELLY WINGATE, Assistant
Prosecutor PATRICIA HAYS, and Defendant, ERIK S YINGLING
present in court. Indigency hearing held. Defendant notified of application
fee for appointment of counsel. LAWRENCE A GOLD appointed as counsel. Counsel present and arraignment held. Defendant acknowledged receipt of a copy of the indictment, waived any defects as to time, place or manner of service, and waived its reading in open Court. Defendant entered a plea of Not Guilty. Matter set for pretrial on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 at 9:00 a.m. Bond hearing held. Bond ordered set at Supervised Own Recognizance.
JUDGE GARY G. COOK

(11-14-2012, 05:15 PM)gurl2323 Wrote: Just to make it clear i never said anything about bates being involved with Williams trial , i made it clear that i was talking about pettaway trial only.

G -4801 -CR -201102645-000
10/20/2011 1 Title : MIS:CASE CONT AT DEF REQUEST 72-000014604 issued by 226 ()
Dated October 20, 2011. Court Reporter JANET TERRY ordered. State of Ohio: JEFFREY LINGO. Defendant, CAMEO PETTAWAY present in court.
Judge James Bates

thank you

Truth be told . Very wellll said !