Three year olds shooting each other is complete insanity, even the child soldiers of Sierra Leone have to be 10 before they get an AK47.

(11-28-2013, 02:49 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: Three year olds shooting each other is complete insanity, even the child soldiers of Sierra Leone have to be 10 before they get an AK47.

But, do the child soldiers of Sierra Leone live in a trailer in the woods.

(11-28-2013, 05:33 PM)Adub Wrote: l
But, do the child soldiers of Sierra Leone live in a trailer in the woods.

A child soldier of Sierra Leone dreams about living in a trailer in the woods because his current possessions consist of an AK47 a filthy blanket to sleep on and a collection of the severed ears of his victims.

Gun Laws and Gun Violence Across the Globe



This looks interesting.

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As part of a GPS special airing tonight, Global Lessons on Guns (the special and this article narrated by Fareed Zakaria), CNN went all over the world in search of solutions and lessons that we might apply here to bring down the epidemic of gun violence that afflicts us. We saw many interesting ideas that worked, all of them centering around some simple, common sense ideas that would put some checks on the unfettered sale and possession of firearms.

What we did not find was a large-scale, nationwide example where expanded attention to mental health issues could be tied to a reduction in homicides or suicides using guns. This might surprise you. Every time there is a serious gun massacre in the United States – and alas these are fairly common – the media focuses on the twisted psychology of the shooter and asks why we don't pay more attention to detecting and treating mental illness.

But as people like Gen. Peter Chiarelli told me – and he was tasked by the United States armed forces to look into this issue – while you can identify mental issues and be aware of reasons for stress, it is ultimately impossible to predict who among the many under pressure will snap, when that might be, and what form that break will take.

The question we should really be focused on is not the specific cause of a single shooting, but why there are so many of them in America. To remind you, in recent years there have been around 10,000 gun homicides a year in the United States. According to the United States, in Germany and Canada, there were fewer than 200. In Spain, fewer than 100. In Australia fewer than 50.

America's per capita gun homicide rate in 2009 was 12 times higher than the average of Canada, Germany, Australia and Spain. Does anyone think that we have 12 times as many psychologically troubled people as they do in these countries?

There are other reasons often given for gun violence – popular culture and violent video games in particular. But as this survey across the world should have shown, countries that imbibe much the same gory culture in Europe and Australia have much lower levels of violence. Japan, with its particular fascination with violent video games, is actually stunningly low in gun deaths. So whatever you think of violent video games and movies, they don't seem to be the key cause of gun violence.

And we do have an actual experiment. In the aftermath of its own Newtown-like massacre, Australia changed its gun laws. The result? Homicides and suicides plummeted in the decade that followed. Of course, like all real world problems, the link between guns and violence is a complex issue. But one rarely has so much evidence pointing in the same direction.

Regarding the Second Amendment: I'm not a lawyer. But listen to someone who was: Warren Burger. He was Chief Justice of the Supreme Court for 17 years, a conservative Republican appointed by Richard Nixon. Here's what he said about the Second Amendment:

“This has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word ‘fraud,’ on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime. Now just look at those words. There are only three lines to that (Second) Amendment. A ‘well-regulated militia’ – if the militia, which was going to be the state army, was going to be well regulated, why shouldn't 16 and 17 and 18 or any other age persons be regulated in the use of arms the way an automobile is regulated…someone asked me recently if I was for or against a bill that was pending in Congress calling for five days waiting period, and I said I’m very much against it. It should be 30 days waiting period.”

But let's get away from the legal issues. Here's how I think about it. One of the most important tasks for a government is to keep its citizens – especially its children – safe, on the streets and in their schools. Every other developed country in the world is able to fulfill this basic mandate. America is not. And the greatest tragedy is that we know how to do it.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/...?hpt=hp_t1

One American commented that if the Sandy Hook massacre didn't change American societies attitude to gun ownership then nothing will....ever.

If large numbers of Americans can look at something as catastrophic as Sandy Hook and still think the freedom to own guns somehow supercedes it or is more important then America is truly lost when it comes to firearm related homicides and massacres.

Looks like the WH has decide to lay off gun control and start working on the mental health side of the issue. Its ben a year now since sandy hook and even with all the Presidents chest thumping that came right after that tragedy nothing was passed. No modern sporting rifle bans. No high capacity magazine bans. Even Illinois was told that they had to finally pass a law allowing people the right to carry a firearm.

Yes a couple states enacted their own state laws, but that was about all that was done.




WH, Biden Drop Gun Control, Take Up Mental Health.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/...tal-Health

(11-28-2013, 05:33 PM)Adub Wrote:

(11-28-2013, 02:49 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: Three year olds shooting each other is complete insanity, even the child soldiers of Sierra Leone have to be 10 before they get an AK47.

But, do the child soldiers of Sierra Leone live in a trailer in the woods.

These accidental shootings by children are happening in all demographics. Just read about another one in Colorado where the mother of the dead 3-year-old is being charged.


Dione Warren and her son Sheine

According to police and court records, Warren’s son, Sheine Steine, shot himself in the head in October at their home in Frederick after finding a handgun between the mattress and frame of a bed. The gun belongs to Sheine’s stepfather, who hasn’t been charged, reports the station.

Warren told police it’s possible her son had watched McCollum put the gun in its place.

Warren first told police she was home at the time but was in another room when she heard the gunshot. She later told police she was smoking in her car on the driveway, reports the station.

According to court documents, Warren’s young daughter told detectives her mother left the toddler home by himself while she dropped the girl off at school.

The little girl also reportedly said, “Actually my mom and dad didn’t want me to tell you that.” The DA would not discuss whether the stepfather could also be charged in the case.

Warren faces four to twelve years in prison if convicted.

Soure: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/colo-mom-cha...t-himself/
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I don't doubt that this mother is miserable, She won't get the max sentence and probably won't do much time if convicted anyway, but this was a preventable death which was caused by negligence and she should be charged.

I don't wanna see everyone's guns taken away, but is it too much to ask to keep loaded guns out of the reach of toddlers? It sure shouldn't be.

It doesn't matter if you tell them not to touch it, teach them how to handle it when supervised, think they don't where it's hidden, blah blah blah... They're infants with infant comprehension - just put the damn loaded guns where they can't physically be accessed by the little ones - no way, no how.

Meh, I know it's all been said before...just makes me sad every time another one of these easily preventable deaths occurs.

I am not trying to ignore the shooting deaths of children, and yes it is sad when these tragedies occur. However it is also sad when you look at the number of children that are aborted every day. The are many more abortions every day than there are firearm related deaths. Where is the uproar about that ?

Firearm homicides per day , 33. All firearm related deaths, including homicides [ I would bet this includes Officer related shootings as well], suicides and unintentional shootings, 85 per day.

Number of abortions per day, 3,288 .

I feel we should be paying more attention to the abortion side when it comes to this subject. Unless we ignore that side so we can maintain population control.


Sources for figures. http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-and-i...tatistics/ , http://www.all.org/nav/index/heading/OQ/...id/NjA3OQ/

I feel like that's an unrelated issue and just a diversionary argument.

Protecting children living in their homes from deadly weapons has nothing to do with preventing babies from being born, stats or no stats. IMO.

Anyway, I see way more uproar, debate, legislative drafts, and news by right-to-lifers protesting abortions than I do about accidental shootings by children.

Not diversionary at all. It is the same thing. protecting children [fetus] in its home [womb] against deadly weapons [doctors scalpel] . Life begins at conception, does it not?

I am just bringing this thought up for discussion. This has ben a great thread and has went on for quite a long time. It has raised many many good points. I am in no way trying to derail it now.

(12-12-2013, 02:53 PM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: I am not trying to ignore the shooting deaths of children, and yes it is sad when these tragedies occur. However it is also sad when you look at the number of children that are aborted every day. The are many more abortions every day than there are firearm related deaths. Where is the uproar about that ?

Firearm homicides per day , 33. All firearm related deaths, including homicides [ I would bet this includes Officer related shootings as well], suicides and unintentional shootings, 85 per day.

Number of abortions per day, 3,288 .

I feel we should be paying more attention to the abortion side when it comes to this subject. Unless we ignore that side so we can maintain population control.


Sources for figures. http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-and-i...tatistics/ , http://www.all.org/nav/index/heading/OQ/...id/NjA3OQ/

Its hard for me to express just how retarded and airheaded your so called “argument” is really.

An abortion is a medical procedure to remove a collection of cells if it is murder then so is taking antibiotics to get rid of bacteria or germs. If a zygote is a child (which it isn't ) why is no ones lifespan or age calculated from the point of conception? No ones is...ever.

To even try and equate a legal medical procedure to shooting a toddler in the face with an AR-10 is a new level of complete insanity.

Its a man who breakfasts with his grandchildren with a loaded gun on the table basically going “never mind my guns ABORTION!”

Nuts about guns? You're a gun nut!

(12-12-2013, 03:14 PM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: Life begins at conception, does it not?

No it doesn't.

Next?

Call it what you want OP. Life begins at conception, so killing that fetus with a scalpel or shooting a child. both are murder !
You can call me a gun nut, it bothers me not.

I don't think it's derailing and threads get derailed all the time here anyway. No problem, F.U.

I just personally don't think the "when does life begin?" discussion is related to the "responsible gun ownership" discussion.

Seat belts, stair blockers, adequate nutrition and hygiene, and a myriad of other topics all fall under "protecting children". I also don't think comparing those stats or topics has any relevance to responsible gun owners preventing accidental shootings in their homes by keeping guns out of the reach of children.

Someone else might see them as related and continue the discussion though.

(12-12-2013, 03:25 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote:

(12-12-2013, 03:14 PM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: Life begins at conception, does it not?

No it doesn't.

Next?

Wrong, it does begin at conception. If it does not you tell me what day that fetus becomes a human.

(12-12-2013, 03:27 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I don't think it's derailing and threads get derailed all the time here anyway. No problem, F.U.

I just personally don't think the "when does life begin?" discussion is related to the "responsible gun ownership" discussion.

Seat belts, stair blockers, adequate nutrition and hygiene, and a myriad of other topics all fall under "protecting children". I don't think comparing those stats or topics have any bearing on responsible gun owners preventing accidental shootings in their homes by preventing children from accessing loading guns either.

Someone else might see them as related and continue the discussion though.

I know what you are saying HotD. I just feel that we are watching the pennies and letting the dollars float out the window when it comes to this subject. If you know what I mean.

When the next Sandy Hook happens (and it will), we'll go through all of this again.

F.U., I really do understand gun enthusiasts' love of guns. And, 99% of the time gun lovers are not the ones perpetrating these horrific crimes. I get all that.

However, when gun enthusiasts bring up abortion and automobiles and knives, it makes me think you all have lost your mind.

I don't really know what you mean, F.U., but it's all good.

I see CN may be interested in engaging in the abortion debate with you here in the gun thread.

I'm gonna scoot.

The facts are still there. People get all bent out of shape when it comes to a gun, but forget about that unborn child getting cut out of its mother and thrown away. The fact that the anti gun people ignore that fact makes me think they have all lost their minds.

HotD, we are watching the few deaths and ignoring the many deaths. Is that better?

ETA, HotD , OP don't want to debate the fact. He just wants to insult and name call.