(08-03-2015, 06:27 AM)Duchess Wrote: Who is "they're"?[/i][/size]

I get the overwhelming feeling that most of the region is sick of outside influence, mostly by the US but they're not the only ones.

You're being overly generous. I think we are well & truly hated over there. Nobody likes a busybody or those who think their way is the only way. I don't want someone coming into my house and telling me how things should be managed and I don't blame others when they don't like it either.

(08-03-2015, 06:39 AM)Duchess Wrote:

You're being overly generous. I think we are well & truly hated over there. Nobody likes a busybody or those who think their way is the only way. I don't want someone coming into my house and telling me how things should be managed and I don't blame others when they don't like it either.

As with anywhere and anybody though - the vast majority of people are nice simple family people living their lives and aren't as stupid as some of the above posters think they are and can separate the actions of the state to the populous.

But i agree with you, nobody likes a busybody telling people what to do and how to live their lives, and if you stand on a scorpion you might get tagged.

(08-03-2015, 07:24 AM)Paulistano Wrote: if you stand on a scorpion you might get tagged.

...and those that do, have got it comin' and chances are, it's probably well deserved.

(08-03-2015, 09:02 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(08-03-2015, 07:24 AM)Paulistano Wrote: if you stand on a scorpion you might get tagged.

...and those that do, have got it comin' and chances are, it's probably well deserved.

Yep, perhaps, the only caveat I would personally build into that is that I couldn't condone violence except in the most extreme of cases.

(08-03-2015, 09:23 AM)Paulistano Wrote: I couldn't condone violence except in the most extreme of cases.

Agreed...

...although I've sometimes wanted to nail someone right square in the balls or a brick right between their peepers but that's only me barking.

(08-03-2015, 11:42 AM)Duchess Wrote: Agreed...

...although I've sometimes wanted to nail someone right square in the balls or a brick right between their peepers but that's only me barking. [/i][/size]

Some people deserve a kick in the bollocks, I just happen not to be one of them.

(08-03-2015, 11:47 AM)Paulistano Wrote: I just happen not to be one of them.

Hehehe

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - President Barack Obama told U.S. Jewish leaders it was likely rockets would fall on Tel Aviv if a nuclear deal with Iran was blocked and military action ensued, one of them said on Wednesday.


What a guy!

link

I'm confused . . .

Yesterday Obama stated that without this deal, Iran will have a nuke in six months.

But in March 2015, he stated Iran will never have a nuke because of a fatwa.

He also compared Iran's hardliners to the GOP.

That's not true!

He negotiates and compromises with Iran's hardliners.

Scientific / Technical Praise for Iran Nuclear Deal

Twenty-nine of the nation’s top scientists — including Nobel laureates, veteran makers of nuclear arms and former White House science advisers — wrote to President Obama on Saturday to praise the Iran deal, calling it innovative and stringent.

The letter, from some of the world’s most knowledgeable experts in the fields of nuclear weapons and arms control, arrives as Mr. Obama is lobbying Congress, the American public and the nation’s allies to support the agreement.

The two-page letter may give the White House arguments a boost after the blow Mr. Obama suffered on Thursday when Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, a Democrat and among the most influential Jewish voices in Congress, announced he would oppose the deal, which calls for Iran to curb its nuclear program and allow inspections in return for an end to international oil and financial sanctions.

Story: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/09/world/...obama.html

The Letter: https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentclou...ug2015.pdf

Aww no way. Say it ain't so! You mean some of the world's top scientists, including Nobel laureates know better than the naysayers?

(08-09-2015, 10:59 AM)Duchess Wrote:

Aww no way. Say it ain't so! You mean some of the world's top scientists, including Nobel laureates know better than the naysayers?

Wait for it. There will be a counter letter forthcoming from at least 30 (because what's the point if you don't one up it?) of the world's top scientists and some Nobel laureates criticizing the deal.

(08-09-2015, 10:59 AM)Duchess Wrote:

Aww no way. Say it ain't so! You mean some of the world's top scientists, including Nobel laureates know better than the naysayers?

Stalin and Hitler were nominated for the peace prize. Just like Gandhi. So common sense can roll the dice and hope for a 7 or an 11.

High Ranking Military Support for Iran Deal

Thirty six retired US generals and admirals published an open letter Tuesday giving their full backing of the Iranian nuclear deal, hailing it as “the most effective means currently available to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.”

“The international deal blocks the potential pathways to a nuclear bomb, provides for intrusive verification, and strengthens American national security. America and our allies, in the Middle East and around the world, will be safer when this agreement is fully implemented,” they wrote.

In the two-page letter, the retired brass urged the American people and the US Congress — which is set to vote on the deal next month — to support the controversial accord lest Iran build a nuclear weapon in less than a year, and argued that diplomacy should be given a chance before the military option is considered.

“If at some point it becomes necessary to consider military action against Iran, gathering sufficient international support for such an effort would only be possible if we have first given the diplomatic path a chance. We must exhaust diplomatic options before moving to military ones,” the letter read.

“For the security of our nation, we call upon Congress and the American people to support this agreement,” the generals wrote, adding that “if the deal is rejected by America, the Iranians could have a nuclear weapon within a year. The choice is that stark.”

The signatories to the letter include General James Cartwright, the former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, a former Commander in Chief of the Central Command; and Gen. Merrill McPeak, former Chief of Staff of the US Air Force and Read Admiral Harold L. Robinson, with the US Navy.

Story: http://www.timesofisrael.com/36-retired-...iran-deal/
The Letter: https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentclou...ls-and.pdf

We had two parallel threads running on this topic.

I merged Maggot's original thread "Iran and the day they married the bomb" into this one.

God himself could praise this deal and it still wouldn't be enough for the naysayers.

If every morning when I got up to get the paper and the paperboy would punch me in the face and laugh and after years of doing this he said "if you pay me double I will stop punching you" if I believed him it would make me feel as though I was John Kerry. That's how I feel about this deal.
The last minute approval of arms sales to Iran after 5 years and the sale of missiles after 8 years will be fine with all diplomats involved as they will not be in office then. Iran has no problem waiting, it gives them more time to destroy our infra structure.

But I'm just a layman, although I did watch the entire Iranian congress chanting "death to America" a few days ago. I ignored it and thought, Oh, boys will be boys.

What a great deal!!!


Or is this just another case of we have to pass it to see whats in it?

I feel like I have to trust what those who are way smarter than me think about it and as far as I can tell there is a ton of approval for it, not only from scientists but from men who hold high rank in the military.

(08-12-2015, 01:18 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I feel like I have to trust what those who are way smarter than me think about it and as far as I can tell there is a ton of approval for it, not only from scientists but from men who hold high rank in the military.

Yes, many Generals in the Iranian army and quite a few Mullahs approve of it.


Time will tell if this was a good or bad deal. Lets roll the dice, what could happen?