Get Ready, maybe? Of what's to come.

Not gonna happen Cars.

We'll see if your predictions pan out about Biden, Hillary, and the loyalties of Democratic PACs and campaign staffers in the next six weeks or so, Gunnar.

I'm not counting Hillary out or Biden in at this point.

It would definitely be interesting to see Hillary vs. Biden vs. Sanders on the debate stage. The other democratic candidates are non-factors, in my opinion.

(08-25-2015, 01:45 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:

(08-25-2015, 01:26 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Maybe.

I tend to believe that Biden is weighing non-financial factors too.

In any case, it'll be interesting to see which Dems switch from Clinton to Biden if/when he formally declares his candidacy.

Nearly all will.

I'm not so sure. I think Biden is viewed as a friendly, slightly goofy, nice guy. I don't think he's widely viewed (in his own party) as presidential. I "hear" that when members of his own party suggest he "ride off in to the sunset" on his current "high" note, that perhaps he's been through enough yada yada. It's a nice way of saying "don't run...you won't win it". There are numbers out there I believe that support what I'm saying (that within the Democratic Party, Clinton leads Biden). It does change when you look at independents and voters as a whole. I often can't post links/charts from my phone so fuck you, look it up if you want.

Everyone is wondering if Obama would endorse him or Hillary. I'm not so sure it would serve either well to get that. Thanks but no thanks?

Then again, I don't see Hillary's issues as big as some do (the server, Benghazi) although she sure as shit needs to do a better job standing up for herself on both matters.

(08-25-2015, 02:36 PM)username Wrote:

(08-25-2015, 01:45 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:

(08-25-2015, 01:26 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Maybe.

I tend to believe that Biden is weighing non-financial factors too.

In any case, it'll be interesting to see which Dems switch from Clinton to Biden if/when he formally declares his candidacy.

Nearly all will.

I'm not so sure. I think Biden is viewed as a friendly, slightly goofy, nice guy. I don't think he's widely viewed (in his own party) as presidential. I "hear" that when members of his own party suggest he "ride off in to the sunset" on his current "high" note, that perhaps he's been through enough yada yada. It's a nice way of saying "don't run...you won't win it". There are numbers out there I believe that support what I'm saying (that within the Democratic Party, Clinton leads Biden). It does change when you look at independents and voters as a whole. I often can't post links/charts from my phone so fuck you, look it up if you want.

Everyone is wondering if Obama would endorse him or Hillary. I'm not so sure it would serve either well to get that. Thanks but no thanks?

Then again, I don't see Hillary's issues as big as some do (the server, Benghazi) although she sure as shit needs to do a better job standing up for herself on both matters.

Well then I guess we just got lucky that none of the attempts to assassinate Obama were successful.

Right? I think his image has improved but I remember people joking about that when Obama selected him as a running mate.

It was a safety at the time.

Here's an interesting stat, only about 15% of the bundlers that funded Obama's campaign have committed to Hillary. Who do you think the rest are waiting on?

(08-25-2015, 01:43 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I'm starting to have a problem with Donald Trump "the Presidential candidate" calling a woman/women, a bimbo. I don't want anyone who would be representing me indulging in that kind of thing.

Me, too.

Bimbo is a Mexican bakery . . . therefore, Bimbo is racist.

It's almost as horrid as Obama, labeling all who disagree with his Iran deal as "Crazy".

That's not very "presidential".

But it's way stereotypical angry black man!

(08-25-2015, 02:20 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: We'll see if your predictions pan out about Biden, Hillary, and the loyalties of Democratic PACs and campaign staffers in the next six weeks or so, Gunnar.

I'm not counting Hillary out or Biden in at this point.

It would definitely be interesting to see Hillary vs. Biden vs. Sanders on the debate stage. The other democratic candidates are non-factors, in my opinion.

Which is a shame. I'd cast a vote for Webb.

Well, it seems Bush is against Asians.

When chided on his use of the term "anchor babies", he claims he was referring to Yellow and NOT Brown.

Too bad his compassion seems to be exclusively with his wife's race and not with a late 1800 US Supreme Court decision.

And the fact that Yellow enters LEGALLY, to give birth.

Luvs me some "birth tourism"!

Bush is off my "maybe" list.

He yet again made a blatantly false public statement about Planned Parenthood. This time he said that it doesn't provide women's health services. That's not just a false claim, it's a really stupid false claim which is quickly and easily refuted. Immediately after that bullshit statement, Planned Parenthood -- the largest women's health services provider in the country - released a statement reminding the public that 97& of their business is, in fact, classified as women's health services.

I have no idea if Jeb's a liar, or a terrible speaker who can't articulate, or just plain clueless -- any of which disqualifies him from presidential consideration, for me. The fact that he de-funded PP in Florida and fought to re-direct the funds to abstinence-only education programs (seriously) has me leaning towards "just plain clueless".

Cruz is reportedly busy orchestrating plans to shut down the government, again. Last time, he did so over Obamacare funding. This time, it's Planned Parenthood. I think he now considers shutting down the government his signature move and claim to fame; a way to keep the disgruntled religious extremists and Tea Partyers all hell fired-up (rational citizens be damned).

I caught part of Trump on CNN last night. He's an embarrassment and could be a dangerous one if he continues his idiocy. I do not believe the man has a decent understanding of foreign policy; he is ignorant and arrogant in what I see as his one-dimensional view that international relations are nothing but business deals, with governmental leaders being nothing more than CEO/CFOs. He's sniffing glue if he really thinks his personal level of wealth and power is remotely comparable or intimidating to the Saudis or China. I also found him boring; the novelty has worn off (for me, at least). And, the Twitter "bimbo' drama is not a rebellion against irrational political correctness, it's just petty childish crap; not the stuff of legitimate world leaders. I'll be glad when the jester exits the stage.

It's frustrating that honest bi-partisan analysis, cooperation, and compromise is not something that's even promoted by most politicians anymore. Too bad; that's when the system works best in serving all of the American people, in my opinion. Politics really seems to be more and more about entertainment and pleasing the special interests and less and less about serving the American people.

I'm most interested in hearing more from Rubio, Kasich, Clinton and Christie at this point.

HotD, is Hillary off your maybe list as well?

I think Donald ran her over with his train.

No, Hillary's not off my maybe list, Jimbone.

Right now I'm most interested in hearing more from Hillary, Rubio, Kasich and Christie -- I agree with some of their platform policy points and they don't appear to be working to take the country backwards instead of forwards, in my opinion.

Why not?

I'm no fan of Jeb Bush, but she's knowingly made false public claims as well.

(08-26-2015, 09:58 AM)Jimbone Wrote: HotD, is Hillary off your maybe list as well?

How about Dem Nuts too?

Because I like some of her plaftorm policy points and I don't think she's working to take the country backwards instead of forwards, Jimbone.

I can't think of any politician in the running, with the possible exception of Bernie Sanders, who hasn't made false claims or flip-flopped without explanation (either by intent or ignorance) for self-serving reasons. Bush seems to do it an awful lot on key policy/social issues, and badly.

I don't vote based on who I like best on a personal level, if I did I'd be voting for Bernie. I vote for who I like best when it comes to policy; who I think will most benefit and best lead the country.

So your second paragraph includes Hillary, yes? Because she has been as dishonest and flip-floppy as any politician. Her entire life has been spent advancing her agenda.

As I said, I think it includes just about every professional politician Jimbone. That would included Hillary Clinton. And, I know how you feel about her.