At what point does someone begin to think "I'm going to go shoot a crowd of people"?

At what point does a 12 year old believe it is all right to kill?

Do people need more weed?

Is there something in the food, the meds, our bodies, our minds?

Where is the angst and anger coming from? Was it not there before?

Are people's hands idle? Do they need a job?

Do people need to stop having children and abandoning them to do as they wish?

If I took away the gun, I may do less damage, but the intent is there, the thought is there.

I want to know why.

It is not merely a "mental health" issue. It is not merely a "gun-control" or "right to bear arms" issue.

It is not one issue, it can't be.

It could be a conspiracy theory. Government control, the real terrorists, the government sending these people out, distracting us from the real issues.
MONSANTO!
CHEM TRAILS!

Focusing on this BS is not the solution.
What is the solution?
I haven't a clue.
Who does, really?

Debating it online is not a solution.
I laugh at the online discussion groups that throw this topic and others back and forth. (not here/other places) and I wonder what good it does.

If someone is that passionate about something, I hope they do something about it rather than just discuss it online. Oh wait, someone did that today.

WTF


I rarely discuss some issues with others, but this just felt like a good place to get this all out of my head.
Thanks.

I do not think there is one single reason all this crazy shit is going on, there are many reasons some of which you covered. I kind of doubt the chemtrail one, but who knows?
Kids today are all fucked up because their parents did a shitty job of raising them, they were too busy, too self centered, stoned or crazy or just plain ignorant to do a decent job of raising them. Those kids are having kids and the cycle continues to spiral down the drain.
In most cases its too late to turn off the ipod and get outside and do something, make something, learn something worthwhile, but you never know, it sure couldn't hurt.
My kids grew up more or less outside, my son seriously took to it in high school and is an avid hunter and outdoor guy now in addition to being a successful doctor and a pretty good guy.
My daughter is a Speech Pathologist and has 3 kids all of whom are doing great and they all love camping, hiking, skiing, swimming and all that stuff. Their mom was smart enough from the beginning to really limit the TV, Video game and ipod time and the kids are turning out great. I seriously doubt I will ever hear one of them shot 10 people. So the recipe worked in their case.
Good people are made, they don't just happen very often. I wasn't raised by animals, but my parents are no where near the parents my kids are, I am a pretty good guy most of the time, but sometimes an asshole. my kids are better than me and I consider that a win.
Its going to take a long time to breed out all the assholes that are running around our population right now, if it can ever be done. We need some better leaders, better examples, fewer assholes in the news and as heroes.
We need another Dr King, another Ghandi and John Wayne and we need fewer P Diddy, Fity Cent and Kanye

Don't forget Mother Teresa!
And the pope. He is a pretty decent guy for a pope!

Congrats on the awesome family and many blessings you have. That is awesome.
I think my family is pretty great as well.

(10-01-2015, 09:51 PM)Love Child Wrote: Where is the angst and anger coming from? Was it not there before?

I listened to a LEO talk about this recently. He said we are raising a generation of people who have little to no regard for others and one of the things he attributed it to was the breakdown of the family unit. There is no accountability, no basic rules, no suffering the consequences. Many families don't even sit around the dinner table together any more and even more families are headed by a single parent. In general, there is an entire generation who have grown up with no supervision at all. They do as they want and come & go as they please. There is no work ethic instilled nor are they taught to behave with dignity & honor.

I agree completely.

(10-02-2015, 06:35 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(10-01-2015, 09:51 PM)Love Child Wrote: Where is the angst and anger coming from? Was it not there before?

I listened to a LEO talk about this recently. He said we are raising a generation of people who have little to no regard for others and one of the things he attributed it to was the breakdown of the family unit. There is no accountability, no basic rules, no suffering the consequences. Many families don't even sit around the dinner table together any more and even more families are headed by a single parent. In general, there is an entire generation who have grown up with no supervision at all. They do as they want and come & go as they please. There is no work ethic instilled nor are they taught to behave with dignity & honor.

I agree and would add that punishment for children in this age is incredibly difficult. Sending them to their room doesn't work anymore. Taking away their phone has it's pro's and con's. You cant take away their computers because that's how they do their homework. It's a delicate balance. I often wonder if my son would have gotten into as much trouble as he did if I raised him like my dad raised me. Fear of an ass whooping kept me from doing a lot of stupid shit as a teenager.

You mean spankings are illegal?

(10-02-2015, 11:45 AM)Maggot Wrote: You mean spankings are illegal?

Pretty much.

I think people have always been crazy, the times have just changed. Here's a list of just the school shootings in the US, it's been happening forever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sc...ted_States

This latest school shooting was the 41^st public shooting this year. Isn't that like one a week so far? If it's less, it's not by much.

The school master had a tame sparrow of which he was very fond, and had warned the students that if any of them killed it, they will die by his hands. By accident, or intentionally, one of the boys stepped on the bird and killed it. Alarmed by the threats, the boy was afraid to return to school, but the Master begged him to come back. He did so, and after the lessons were finished, he took the boy into a private room, and strangled him to death. Upon the boy's father hearing what had occurred, he loaded his gun and went and shot the schoolmaster dead.

This one was warranted. Not the strangulation though.

I think the whole trend of deinstituzionalizing the seriously mentally ill has at least somewhat contributed to the problem. If you're the parent of a fucked up adult, I think it's extremely difficult to get them (forcibly if needed) the appropriate level of care.

I also think the Internet has contributed. When I read that thread where the guy was encouraged to commit these murders...that support (so to speak) didn't exist 30 years ago. Not to mention the ability to stoke one's ego being online infamous.

I also think the internet and social media has a lot to do with it. It wasn't so long ago that the only news source was the newspaper and the evening news if you could even be bothered. No one was on their phone everywhere they went watching what goes on around the world every second of the day.

^^^ social media and internet influence? Nah... Really?

(10-02-2015, 06:02 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote: ^^^ social media and internet influence? Nah... Really?

Bend.over.

Don't be jealous because you didn't think to post it, Mr.

(10-02-2015, 06:02 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote: ^^^ social media and internet influence? Nah... Really?

Yes stink ass, really. My point was that I don't think people are any crazier than they ever were, it's just easier now. It has nothing to do with Lil'Wayne or John Wayne.