(11-01-2016, 07:57 AM)Maggot Wrote: What would happen if FOX news had leaked the debate questions to Trump? It gives credence to quite a bit of what he has said over the past few months and no matter how it is spun people are beginning to see the depth of corruption that is the norm for the democrat party. Voter fraud is being found at quite a few places and early voting is suspect now.

It wouldn't have done Trump any good, he's too dumb and I don't see how it could have been a plus for Hillary, she's very smart, she doesn't need something like that.

The only cases of voter fraud I've heard about have been in regards to Republicans. If it's being reported that Democrats are involved in that, I haven't seen it yet.

I'm expecting a bunch of shiny objects coming out of the liberal media about Trump over the next few days. Distractions are their signature ploy.

It's already started. I read this morning that his private server has some connections to the Russians.

His wife is making a speech at some point I think this week, I'm expecting all kinds of words of wisdom from the talking heads about it.
Clinton knows whats on the e-mails, she's not dumb. She just wants to know what they know so she can prepare an apology that's worded just right or deflect onto Huma or Weiner, she is well known for pushing people in front of the bus as a means to an end. She needs to realize that the voters are not so blind to not see the issues and she may be getting on edge right about now.
Strike 3 will be the impending Wikileaks coming out and what they reveal. People say why is Assange picking on Clinton but he did the same to Bush. like Comey the Dems thought he was the cats ass back in June but today he is hated. Eh......the way I see it is don't screw the pooch and do underhanded crap.
Obama will see quite a bit of his legacy torn down over the next few years but that's just my opinion and doesn't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world.
Like the Chicago Tribune article written a few days ago says, Clinton has never produced anything but controversy and people need to ask.....why?

Anybody with half a brain in a debate situation doesn't need specific questions. The issues don't change, and in preparing you can't possibly conceive of every possible potential question and wouldn't want to. A master debater (heh) prepares his or her thoughts on the key MAJOR topics: environment, jobs, foreign policy, health care, economy...and tailors the response slightly to fit whatever might be thrown at them. THAT was where Trump failed, he literally only has one message. And rambles like the coke fueled idiot he is.
I think the "leaked question" uproar is bogus and fabricated, just another smoke and mirrors bullshit story. Like the rest of the 'email' bullshit.

Maybe its a massive conspiracy to get Clinton. Yeah, that's what it is a conspiracy.

(11-01-2016, 11:02 AM)Donovan Wrote: Anybody with half a brain in a debate situation doesn't need specific questions. The issues don't change, and in preparing you can't possibly conceive of every possible potential question and wouldn't want to. A master debater (heh) prepares his or her thoughts on the key MAJOR topics: environment, jobs, foreign policy, health care, economy...and tailors the response slightly to fit whatever might be thrown at them.

I disagree. I'd like to know what's going to be asked of me beforehand so I can fine-tune my answer to answer it specifically and without hesitation.

I've really never understood why Hillary needs debate prep. She's been plugged-in to the domestic and global political environment for decades. This shit should be a walk in the park for her and roll off her tongue like her kid's name . . . or the harlots Bill banged.

What the fuck good is experience if you can't grasp the same goddammed issues, that have been plaguing us forever and a day, without significant prepping?

Like you stated: "The issues don't change . . .".

But both continue to polish the turd to make it shine like a diamond.

(11-01-2016, 01:16 PM)Maggot Wrote: Maybe its a massive conspiracy to get Clinton. Yeah, that's what it is a conspiracy.

easier to believe than the Machiavellian super genius but also incompetent criminal mastermind you'd like her to be. Besides, there's only one candidate bleating about conspiracy theories, and I'll give you a hint: he's orange.

TRUMP ACCUSED OF RAPING A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL!

STORY

And two of my favorite people are involved . . . Jeffery Epstein and Gloria Allred.

Wait 'til the Alan Dershowitz connection is made.

And the Clinton Foundation.

And media talking heads . . .

Deflection. Bill has been to Epsteins partys as a guest they are trying and failing.

If the media makes a big deal out of this, Bill's name and the Clinton Foundation will be dragged through the mud . . . again.

Bill flew on his private jet over twenty times . . . sans Hillary.

Association with a convicted perv (his legal team kept him from a pedo conviction) doesn't bode well with Hillary's message regarding Trump's demeaning of women and girls.

Did I also mention Ken Starr?

No . . . I guess I didn't.

Or Charlie Rose?

(11-02-2016, 04:49 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: If the media makes a big deal out of this, Bill's name and the Clinton Foundation will be dragged through the mud . . . again.

Bill flew on his private jet over twenty times . . . sans Hillary.

Association with a convicted perv (his legal team kept him from a pedo conviction) doesn't bode well with Hillary's message regarding Trump's demeaning of women and girls.

Did I also mention Ken Starr?

No . . . I guess I didn't.

Or Charlie Rose?

With Wikileaks coming out with new info and the FBI investigation reopening, the Dems gotta be shaking their heads at who they picked. Personally I would've voted Bern over Trump and I think I even saw some stories about how Bernie would have killed Trump in the general. That being said, the GOP has been shaking their heads since Trump won the nom. I don't think the establishment ever thought he could get this far.

Why is Bernie being silent about the new leaks?

I wonder what he was promised IF he kept quiet . . .?

There's not a real life soap opera or conspiracy theory behind every politician's every action and inaction.

Bernie Sanders said repeatedly during the primaries that he would support Hillary Clinton for president if he lost the nomination, and that he considered Donald Trump an unqualified and ignorant fool who should never occupy the White House. I believe Bernie meant what he said.

After he lost the nomination, Bernie negotiated to get his key platform points incorporated into the DNC platform before agreeing to endorse Clinton. Clinton has promoted those progressive points in her campaigning and promised to pursue them if she's elected (with Bernie and Elizabeth Warren promising to hold her feet to the fire in that regard).

Since the Wikileaks confirmed that Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC preferred Hillary to become the Democratic nominee (which Bernie already knew, as did most of us who followed the primaries), Debbie Wasserman Schultz has been ousted. Her ouster was what Bernie was demanding all along.

In recent months, Sanders and the majority of his supporters have also called-out and rejected Trump's transparent attempts to snag Bernie supporters by positioning himself in the same vein as Bernie and painting "poor Bernie" as a victim.

So, it makes good sense to me for Sanders to address the DNC bias professionally and out of the public eye rather than scream "I told you so!" and lash out publicly about it, thereby inadvertently helping Trump.

And, as a nice little carrot, if the Dems take back the Senate, Mr. Sanders becomes the Chairman of the Budget Committee (not exactly a dream for Paul Ryan, I bet).

If the Dems take back the senate... how did Billy Joel sing it back in 1977?

You can pay Uncle Sam with the overtime.

Is that all you get for your money?

Tax, spend, tax, spend, tax...

(11-01-2016, 08:55 AM)Maggot Wrote: His wife is making a speech at some point I think this week, I'm expecting all kinds of words of wisdom from the talking heads about it.
Clinton knows whats on the e-mails, she's not dumb. She just wants to know what they know so she can prepare an apology that's worded just right or deflect onto Huma or Weiner, she is well known for pushing people in front of the bus as a means to an end. She needs to realize that the voters are not so blind to not see the issues and she may be getting on edge right about now.
Strike 3 will be the impending Wikileaks coming out and what they reveal. People say why is Assange picking on Clinton but he did the same to Bush. like Comey the Dems thought he was the cats ass back in June but today he is hated. Eh......the way I see it is don't screw the pooch and do underhanded crap.
Obama will see quite a bit of his legacy torn down over the next few years but that's just my opinion and doesn't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world.
Like the Chicago Tribune article written a few days ago says, Clinton has never produced anything but controversy and people need to ask.....why?

Maybe because she is a woman.....There are too many controlling politicians in Washington, D.C. that will choke on saying "Madam President." Many are in denial, but it still is the double standard. Trump is excused for all of his obnoxious and illegal behavior and suggesting a "hit" on Hillary, etc....many laugh about it, but let Hillary even breathe incorrectly and it makes front page news. She has had to work twice as hard as any man would and she has earned a lot of respect over the years......Was it here on Mock that I read she was most admired woman for many years and that was o.k. as long as she didn't run for President...
If you really study and research what Herr Trump has done in the past, I don't know why you would vote for this piece of shit, seriously.......he has destroyed the traditional Republican party which did an O.K. job of keeping discrimination and hate under wraps....and they didn't openly make fools of themselves each and every day......Now, it is O.K. to hate minorities, make threats against Hillary Clinton about taking her life, and the KKK and David Duke just love Trump......his supporters are now talking about a revolution if Hillary wins.....Is this really who you want as our President. Do you not think his relationship with Putin is more suspect and dangerous than any email on Hillary's computer.

I am not picking on you, but you have been fairly vocal, along with some others on here, about Trump being "the lesser of two evils," I think it was......

The race is very close and the people will decide. I believe that no matter who wins the country will move on as it always has. I really don't care about the Clinton voters reasons for voting for her and do not care about the reasons Trump supporters will vote for him. I have my own reasons why I will vote the way I do and that's that. You can vote for Clinton and I do not hold anything against your choice. This is America and I love the entire process no matter how it looks to anyone else. Every Democrat is not a nutcase and neither is every Republican. You will survive the outcome.

(11-02-2016, 06:55 PM)blueberryhill Wrote: Maybe because she is a woman.....There are too many controlling politicians in Washington, D.C. that will choke on saying "Madam President." Many are in denial, but it still is the double standard. Trump is excused for all of his obnoxious and illegal behavior and suggesting a "hit" on Hillary, etc....many laugh about it, but let Hillary even breathe incorrectly and it makes front page news. She has had to work twice as hard as any man would and she has earned a lot of respect over the years......Was it here on Mock that I read she was most admired woman for many years and that was o.k. as long as she didn't run for President...
If you really study and research what Herr Trump has done in the past, I don't know why you would vote for this piece of shit, seriously.......he has destroyed the traditional Republican party which did an O.K. job of keeping discrimination and hate under wraps....and they didn't openly make fools of themselves each and every day......Now, it is O.K. to hate minorities, make threats against Hillary Clinton about taking her life, and the KKK and David Duke just love Trump......his supporters are now talking about a revolution if Hillary wins.....Is this really who you want as our President. Do you not think his relationship with Putin is more suspect and dangerous than any email on Hillary's computer.

I am not picking on you, but you have been fairly vocal, along with some others on here, about Trump being "the lesser of two evils," I think it was......

I heard Obama directly pose this question to the male attendees during his NC rally: "Why do you think we haven't had a woman president?"

Easy. You fucking stole the nomination from her!

If Clinton doesn't win, chauvinists and misogynists were the cause.

If Clinton wins AND anyone should question her policies or statements, the tirade of her nasty classifications of anyone who supported Trump will be the mantra.

It's gonna be the same "You're a racist" retort people got when disagreeing with Obama.

It's never been OK to hate and Trump does not encourage anyone to hate others.

At least Trump hasn't spewed vile remarks with marked regularity, as does Hillary, to supporters of the opposing candidate.

She has NO intention of being everyone's President. She's a hater.

News flash . . . The Republican Party hasn't been "traditional" for decades.

I goddammed laughed myself silly when I read Republicans did an OK job keeping discrimination and hate under wraps!

That's all I've heard from Obama and the Democrats for the past 8 years! Republicans hate and discriminate!

Trump did the country a favor by exposing these self-serving fucks . . . on both sides of the aisle and "pay for play" Hillary.

The fact that both major political parties loathe and fear him is an endorsement . . . NOT a liability to me.

And "No."

I don't see any relationship between Trump and Putin . . . just speculation.

I see far more situations supporting "pay for play" relationships with Hillary's camp and the Russians. There's a lotta smoke . . . lots more than with Trump.

Trump is an outsider. He's not a lawyer. He's unconventional.

That's why he gets my support . . . this time.

I have no fear for America either way this election goes.

I'm all Warren Zevon-ed.

I've got lawyers, guns and money.

And I can pass as a minority.

I can't bear to see Tiki support Trump. She's gutting me.

(11-03-2016, 05:32 AM)Duchess Wrote:

I can't bear to see Tiki support Trump.

I think I'm in the minority. I believe this is probably the most exciting and representational election in history.

For years, Americans expressed a desire for a woman candidate or an outsider. America got both . . . warts and all.

In hindsight, maybe the wish shouldn't have been this general.

When I hear a candidate speak of American opposition voters in the following terms, I don't feel the love . . . I feel labeled.

"To just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it.”

Labeled . . . in the same way Hillary condemns Trump for labeling others.

In all fairness, she did say she regretted saying "half" and I believe her.

Three days ago, she had this to say:

"I am sick and tired of the negative, dark, divisive, dangerous vision and behavior of people who support Donald Trump,”

This time, no percentage qualifier.

Of course she regretted saying "half" . . . clearly, she meant "all".

And this time, no retraction or apology.

I don't see Hillary as a healer.

I'm tired of entrenched, biased, political cronyism and the rampant abuses of self-serving "public servants".

Trump is my option to express my disdain . . . warts and all.